Milk and Dairy

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/almost-30000-male-calves-slaughtered-at-10-days-old-last-year-968607.html

Sawyer Happy Rascal wrote: »

Your posting about a letter written 18 months ago with no facts to support it from people with an unknown agenda...do carry on!!

I'd agree tbh. I persume Gerry boland - is this guy here

https://www.munsterlit.ie/Southword/Issues/17/Poetry/boland_gerry.html

As for an agenda. We dont need to go to far tbh. A writer of fiction and poetry and self declared vegan and animal-rights activist. The self same 'activists' who declare they have no interest in animal welfare improving same but continuously use allegeded examples of poor animal welfare to push their own ideology.

I'd really love to know his source for that letter for 'hundreds in calf" and call bolloxs to that. Or is it just too obvious that it makes no sense whatsoever to sell healthy incalf cows for slaughter here.

Over 160,000 male calves were exported to Europe last year. They are the result of the dairy industry.

The ferry journey alone is 18 hours. They are left without food or accessible water for up to 30 hours.

Libya, Lebanon and Turkey .... The slaughter methods used in these countries are brutal and inhumane.

The Dutch only consume white veal, so the calves are kept in narrow cages with slatted flooring and no bedding, and are fed milk. They do not have enough room to turn around...

 “Scientific evidence indicates that young calves are not well adapted to cope with transport. Their immune systems are not fully developed and they are not able to control their body temperature well, thus they are susceptible to both heat and cold stress. . . Therefore transport should be avoided where possible, particularly as morbidity and mortality following transport can be high.”

They can suffer from motion sickness, stress and anxiety and respiratory illness, along with broken limbs and other injuries.

[ Libya, Lebanon and Turkey ]
Animals hoisted to the ceiling by one rear leg
Tendons cut to restrict movement
Stabbing in the eyes
Repeatedly hitting the animal over the head until unconscious
Fully conscious bulls having their throats slashed at


Hunger and Thirst – lengthy journeys can mean deprivation of water and/or food
Exhaustion – lack of opportunity for rest.

 Animals can be left standing for many hours.
Inadequate ventilation – heat and cold stress.
Rough handling – can occur during loading or at markets
Transport of animals unfit to travel – sick, injured, young or

 heavily pregnant animals

[On average 3pc of dairy cows, 1.5pc of beef cattle, 0.5pc of pigs, 0.8pc sheep and 0.2pc of goats in the EU are slaughtered during the last third of gestation, according to an expert judgement from the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA).

https://www.agriland.i...-are-in-your-county/
]

the animals are so young and the risk of catching illnesses is far higher.


How much do the exporting companies receive in subsidies?
For example, the vet inspection fees were cut to

€1,
so the balance is subsidized by tax payers.

What other subsidies are received?It’s not just live animals that are exported – it’s all the jobs in processing and packaging etc.


Solutions

Export on the hook not the hoof. Ireland is famous for it’s grass fed beef and the dept should promote this more rather than seeking new markets for live animals.More rose veal farms in Ireland. In reality rose veal calves are older than pigs and sheep when slaughtered so it’s a question of changing perception. We could export veal rather than calves.We export beef to Egypt, Qatar and China. Why can’t we export beef to Libya and Turkey?



What You Can Do?

Join with us and CIWF on Live Export International Awareness Day – Wednesday 12th June – 1-3pm. Find out more on the Event page.
Email your TDs and MEPs and ask them to help put an end to long distance transport. Contact details can be found here:
TDs
MEPs
Email Michael Creed, Minister for Agriculture, Food and the MarineEmail Phil Hogan European Commissioner for Agriculture and Rural Development Sign CIWF’s petition– Stena Line and Irish Ferries Stop Shipping Livestock to France for Fattening and Slaughter!
Join the Party for Animal Welfare and be part of the political solution

https://partyforanimalwelfare.ie/live-exports/



Contact Info

Party for Animal Welfare
c/o Carol Johnson
Earlshill
Killenaule
Thurles
Co Tipperary, E41 DW62
info@partyforanimalwelfare.ie

2018 - Inspection of calf trucks from Rosslare (IE) to Cherbourg (FR) and further.

EyesonAnimalsinspect
Published on Jun 15, 2018

On the 13th of March 2018 two teams from Eyes on Animals inspected calf trucks leaving Rosslare (IE) Port and heading to Cherbourg Port (FR) via the Stena Roll-on Roll-off ferry service.

There were at least 17 calf trucks onboard the ferry that day. The ferry journey took 19 hours in total (including a 1.5 hour delay). We documented that at least six of the calf trucks that came off the Stena Carrier did not stop at the first available control post, ‘Qualivia’ in Tollevast (near Cherbourg), to unload the calves as they should, according to the EU regulations. Instead they drove to a different Qualivia control post, situated in Abbeville, a further drive of 5 hours resulting in all of these trucks exceeding the maximum allowed transport time of 19 hours (9-1-9) for unweaned calves.

One team trailed one of these calf trucks to its final destination; a veal farm in The Netherlands. The calves were confined inside the truck for the first leg of the journey lasting 32hrs 11mins, a total of 13hrs 11mins over the maximum time allowed.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VD74xsERxpI


Abuse at Cherbourg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gqSphSt1ntc

Estonian cattle so hungry
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UlFerufinz4&list=PLivGXH3Q26OE-uJEvO0-_I4-H6C337sOM&index=6

Water?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj8ofh1C6qM&list=PLivGXH3Q26OE-uJEvO0-_I4-H6C337sOM&index=7


We'd be in court if we did this to a dog in a car.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KrCBeTEriNk&list=PLivGXH3Q26OE-uJEvO0-_I4-H6C337sOM&index=5

38 degrees Celsius
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Hn-sWnPzY&list=PLivGXH3Q26OE-uJEvO0-_I4-H6C337sOM&index=13&t=0s

The EU animal agriculture live exports is vast and the indifference to the rights and needs of the animals systematic. A few unfortunate and damning videos from 2015 but things have not changed in the past four years.

I can't imagine not eating meat 6 days a week, good look to anyone struggling. Can I ask what beer and cider yey drink?

http://www.barnivore.com

auspicious wrote: »

" [ The suffering of animals] ...exists because of the purchases we make and therefore the blood is on our hands, collectively as a species but also as individuals aswell."
...

We better stop buying and eating altogether in that case. It has been estimated that some 7 billion animals and organisms are killed every year - and that's just from the cultivation and harvesting of arable and horticultural crops.

I can guarantee that if the cultivation and harvesting of arable and horticultural crops was carried out by vegans then that figure of 7 billion would not exist.
Yes we've been doing a lot of stupid things since the dawn of man. It's just that these days we're learning to have a bit more cop on.

gozunda wrote: »

Auspicious - rather than quoting opinion pieces verbatim - it might be useful to look at current EU regulations covering animal exports from Ireland

Under EU Council Regulation 1/2005, which states that, after 18 hours of travel by sea, calves must be unloaded from the truck, rested for 12 hours and fed on arrival at the port of destination or in its immediate vicinity before continuing to their destinations

So if yer man above is convinced that "160,000" calves are being transported without "food or accessible water for up to 30 hours" then he better get on the Department of Agriculture asap rather than writing ****e like that. .

If the regulations are not being adhered to - then that is cause to bring those responsible to the attention of the relevant authorities and not use vague accusations as contained in the piece quoted previously as a stick to beat all farmers with.

Look understand you dont like dairy or meat. However throwing the kitchen sink at everyone who do not share such views in an effort to blacken animal agriculture really doesn't work tbh.

It would be illogical to transport calves in anything only the best condition possible. A stressed calf ends up a sick calf, which winds up needing medications and doesn’t thrive at best. A dead calf is worse again.
There’s no profit in cruelty. The better an animal is looked after the better it thrives. Basic logic.

65535 wrote: »

The tide is turning slowly.
Pizza Hut are dropping dairy in UK
OK it will take 10 years but the writing is on the wall now.
Hopefully more will follow.

https://vegannewsnow.com/2020/02/28/pizza-hut-dairy-free-carbon-neutral/

A wall similar to that in a cell in the maze prison around 1980. A fine news outlet indeed!

After 40 years as a standard meat and dairy eater I have significantly reduced my dairy over the past 2 years to pretty much only a drop of milk in coffee at work. I even feel bad about that.

- No red meat at all. The sight of it in the shops and the thought of it and process of what is done to the animals just makes me gag
- Never bought pork or bacon anyway
- I drink oat milk with porridge for breakfast
- Lots of cous cous, olives, beetroot, rice, peppers
- Bake my own rye bread which is 100% vegan
- Soya butter
- Up to 5-6 days a week with no animal products whatsoever
- I am weening myself off chicken and fish.
- Vegetarian dishes the last few times eaten out in a cafe/restaurant where drowning everything in balsamic vinegar seems to be the norm

My wife thinks it was wrong of me to tell our 8 year old how meat is processed- he asked and he needs to know. Two classic questions from him:

"What were sausages before they became sausages?" and "How do they get the meat out of the cows?"

I can't say I will ever go full vegan but I will do my best.

65535 wrote: »

What ?

I am guessing the reference is to hunger strikers wiping the walls of their cells with their own waste.

Titclamp wrote: »

I was raw vegan for health benefit's.

That's all. Only my own welfare was needed fot e to do it.

I am exactly the same.

I honestly would find not having meat or dairy illogical. Our bodies require it to stay healthy.