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Naturism and Irish beaches

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  • #152
    Macha
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    Hazlittle wrote: »
    Spot on. I dont know if there is a study but I would wager that kids brought up nudist friendly are less likely to have unplanned pregnancy or STDs.
    I haven't heard of any studies but I did read of a study showing that people who grow up in societies that have a lot of perfect bodies in the media but also also open to more public nudity are happier with their bodies than those who are also subjected to the perfect bodies in the media but don't experience as much public nudity.


  • #153
    Elle Collins
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    Hazlittle wrote: »
    In my view all beeches should be nude friendly and then have special beeches for the clothed.

    Well I'm relieved to know your view is not likely to be implemented any time soon.

    Maybe if the people who like to let it all hang out took better care of what they're letting hang they wouldn't be such an eyesore and I wouldn't have such a problem with them walking into my field of vision. I had to laugh at a comment earlier in the thread about 'naked bodies as God made them'. Naked bodies as Burger King made them more like it.


  • #154
    Macha
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    Elle Collins wrote: »
    Maybe if the people who like to let it all hang out took better care of what they're letting hang they wouldn't be such an eyesore and I wouldn't have such a problem with them walking into my field of vision. I had to laugh at a comment earlier in the thread about 'naked bodies as God made them'. Naked bodies as Burger King made them more like it.
    So you object on the basis that these people are not sufficiently attractive in your opinion? It's exactly this sort of body policing that causes serious self-esteem issues for so many people!


  • #155
    [Deleted User]
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    Elle Collins wrote: »
    I had to laugh at a comment earlier in the thread about 'naked bodies as God made them'. Naked bodies as Burger King made them more like it.

    So if they were all chiseled abs and wash board stomachs with perky boobies and solid pecs you wouldn't mind? Bit harsh, especially since swimming togs are unlikely to mask much of what seems to bother you. After five minutes on a nudey beach you'd most likely get over it.


  • #156
    Elle Collins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Elle Collins


    It's not about people needing to be honed within an inch of their lives, although I certainly find nakedness in the morbidly obese an appalling sight. This is only a side issue though - if all people on this earth looked as though they'd stepped out of the pages of a magazine I still wouldn't appreciate their genitals in my face and I have to right not to have people expose themselves in front of me, whether the contributors to this thread are happy about it or not.


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  • #157
    Stark
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    If someone actually walked up to you and stood in front of you with their genitals waving in front your face, then you would have a right to complain. If the sight of someone a hundred metres away from you lying down without togs is offending you, then you're just being a prude.


  • #158
    Pace2008
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    Elle Collins wrote: »
    It's not about people needing to be honed within an inch of their lives, although I certainly find nakedness in the morbidly obese an appalling sight.
    This is normal. It's not simply a case of cultural conditioning; we are naturally, evolutionarily predisposed to being repelled by bodies that appear unhealthy or infertile.

    (By the way, could you please use normal-coloured font? Posters with dark backgrounds have to highlight your posts to read them).
    Stark wrote: »
    If someone actually walked up to you and stood in front of you with their genitals waving in front your face, then you would have a right to complain. If the sight of someone a hundred metres away from you lying down without togs is offending you, then you're just being a prude.
    No one in this thread has argued against the introduction of designated nudist areas.


  • #159
    Elle Collins
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    That's your opinion Stark and you're welcome to it, but the truth is I'm a very long way from a prude.

    If a saw a man lying 100 metres away from me on a nudist beach I'd have no right to complain about anything given it was his right and I knew what I was likely to see walking along a nudist beach. If a saw the same man lying 100 metres away from me on a regular beach I would assume he was an extremely self-centred person who had no consideration for the fact that we're not all interested in seeing him with his bollocks hanging out.


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  • #161
    Macha
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    donegalfella wrote: »
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    I would wager that has a lot to do with the increasing obsession with bodily perfection, both on the part of the viewer and the viewee.

    You see older women power walking along Spanish beaches in the morning in bikinis without a care in the world.


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  • #162
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  • #163
    Valmont
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    Elle Collins wrote: »
    If a saw the same man lying 100 metres away from me on a regular beach I would assume he was an extremely self-centred person who had no consideration for the fact that we're not all interested in seeing him with his bollocks hanging out.
    You don't have to actually look at his bollocks you know and if you can't not look at them then I don't think he is the one with the problem.

    I only popped in here because I cycled down to my local beach a few hours ago for a swim. This beach is almost always empty but today there was a nude couple having a walk and a swim. My initial reaction was one of shock but then I figured, who cares, I'm having a swim, they're having a walk, big deal. Now if I started examining their genitalia, grumbling under my breath, I might have been less happy about the situation.

    Would you not just mind your own business?


  • #164
    Elle Collins
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    Valmont wrote: »
    You don't have to actually look at his bollocks you know and if you can't not look at them then I don't think he is the one with the problem.


    That's a pretty stupid thing to say really. I have eyes that function properly so I don't get a choice as to whether or not I see what comes into my field of vision.

    Valmont wrote: »
    Would you not just mind your own business?


    Thankfully the law of the land makes it the business of a passer-by if others expose themselves in public.


  • #165
    Elle Collins
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    Pace2008 wrote: »
    (By the way, could you please use normal-coloured font? Posters with dark backgrounds have to highlight your posts to read them).

    Pace you're not the first person to say that to me, but as far as I can see my font is exactly the same as everyone elses??? :confused: What colour does my font appear on your screen?


  • #166
    Stark
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    Elle Collins wrote: »
    Thankfully the law of the land makes it the business of a passer-by if others expose themselves in public.

    If they're deliberately trying to offend you, it's illegal. If they're minding their own business and you happen to see their bits, it's not illegal.


  • #167
    Tzetze
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    Elle Collins wrote: »
    What colour does my font appear on your screen?

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  • #168
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  • #169
    Elle Collins
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    Stark wrote: »
    If they're deliberately trying to offend you, it's illegal. If they're minding their own business and you happen to see their bits, it's not illegal.

    I'm sure that's the situation you'd like to see implemented Stark, but it's not the one we've got, otherwise the Guards would have no powers to remove nudists were they to stroll up O'Connell Street with their bollocks waving in the breeze and claiming to be minding their own business!


  • #170
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    Elle Collins wrote: »
    As I've said, I wouldn't have a problem with designated beaches for nudists, live and let live and all that, but I wouldn't like it to be acceptable on beaches generally because I am one of those majority who is not going to enjoy the sight of tits, arses, fannies and bollockes in their face when they go to the beach.

    Grow up. Seriously.
    I've been on plenty of beaches on the continent by the way, and seen some horrific sights while I was there. I've no apologies to make for being repulsed by big fat hairy arses, miles of cellulite, rolls of flab, and breasts six inches wide but three foot long.

    Define "horrific". The whole point of the movement is NOT to titilate or give someone an eyeful. Likeise, to not be judgemental.
    Elle Collins wrote: »
    Maybe if the people who like to let it all hang out took better care of what they're letting hang they wouldn't be such an eyesore and I wouldn't have such a problem with them walking into my field of vision. I had to laugh at a comment earlier in the thread about 'naked bodies as God made them'. Naked bodies as Burger King made them more like it.

    Again. Grow up.
    Elle Collins wrote: »
    That's your opinion Stark and you're welcome to it, but the truth is I'm a very long way from a prude.

    Bull****. You are the very definition of a prude. "big fat hairy arses, miles of cellulite, rolls of flab, and breasts six inches wide but three foot long." "naked bodies as burger king made them" - you sound like a giggly teenager during a sex-ed class.
    If a saw a man lying 100 metres away from me on a nudist beach I'd have no right to complain about anything given it was his right and I knew what I was likely to see walking along a nudist beach. If a saw the same man lying 100 metres away from me on a regular beach I would assume he was an extremely self-centred person who had no consideration for the fact that we're not all interested in seeing him with his bollocks hanging out.

    That's got to be one of the worst most arrogant assumptions I've ever seen.
    Elle Collins wrote: »
    That's a pretty stupid thing to say really. I have eyes that function properly so I don't get a choice as to whether or not I see what comes into my field of vision.

    But you don't have a neck you can turn the other way?
    Thankfully the law of the land makes it the business of a passer-by if others expose themselves in public.

    Therein lies the probelm with Ireland: nosiness and a deep-seethed fear that your neighbour might actually be enjoying himself. Rabble rabble.
    Elle Collins wrote: »
    I'm sure that's the situation you'd like to see implemented Stark, but it's not the one we've got, otherwise the Guards would have no powers to remove nudists were they to stroll up O'Connell Street with their bollocks waving in the breeze and claiming to be minding their own business!

    What is it with you and swinging bollocks? Seriously? That's at least the third time you've used the phrase today.

    And naturists are looking for designated beaches. Not city centre streets. Please - do some research.

    Having been on naturist beaches and in the company of naturist families, I can honestly say their six-year olds were less prudish and more grown-up than you are. Oh and word of adivce: stay out of the National Art Gallery - you'll be horrifed.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #171
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  • #172
    Bottle_of_Smoke
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    Elle Collins wrote: »


    That's a pretty stupid thing to say really. I have eyes that function properly so I don't get a choice as to whether or not I see what comes into my field of vision.



    Thankfully the law of the land makes it the business of a passer-by if others expose themselves in public.

    I don't like seeing plenty of wrinkly overweight bodies on the beach in bikinis. I avert my gaze when I see them, why can't you do that? How are genitalia any worse than layers of flab?


  • #173
    AARRRGH
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    It's quite sad our society has gotten so messed up that something as natural as nudity is somehow wrong.


  • #174
    Balmed Out
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    I dont really have a problem with the idea of a naturist area on a (or even all) very large beach('s) but I would have a big problem of a whole beach being designated as a naturist beach.
    For whatever reason lots of people find it distasteful for someone to be nude in public and as we live in a society where the overwhelming norm is to be clothed the idea of a having a beach where most people would feel uncomfortable to frequent isnt acceptable to me.

    To close of a beach for mos people due to their sensibilities would be unfair. I think the way to go is to allow it on the more isolated end of larger beaches.

    The Irish naturism website says lots of the beaches within 10 minutes of me are naturist friendly which is completely misleading and untrue.
    A quote from it
    "Inchidonney is in Clonakilty Bay, off the N 71 road. The beach is near the Inchidonney Hotel. Heading east from the Hotel, you come to the estuary up to Clonakilty. The attractive sandy beach is virtually unfrequented except at weekends during the Summer"

    There isnt an hour during any day during the year where there isnt dog walkers, horse riders, walkers, joggers, lots of surfers etc using it. People and lots of them are walking its entire length at any give time and while there are quiter areas they are hardly very quite.
    The same is true for each of the beaches they list except the smaller ones which are always full at the slightest hint of sunshine.


  • #175
    Victor
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    Elle Collins wrote: »
    If a saw the same man lying 100 metres away from me on a regular beach I would assume he was an extremely self-centred person who had no consideration for the fact that we're not all interested in seeing him with his bollocks hanging out.
    Just how much can one see at 100m? Certainly nothing recognisable.


  • #176
    Fuinseog
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    remember when H and E was what we use as porn. no wonder we have such associations with mere nudity.


  • #177
    Hazlittle
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    I think society is crap, so I reject social norms. Dont want to see me nude then dont go to the beech. Stay at home and watch American Idol. This is my island and I'll do what I want.


  • #178
    Brit.Naturism
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    Just a selection of the many quotes I could have selected:
    Elle Collins wrote: »
    Well I'd be quite prepared to teach young kids to be disturbed by oul fellas exposing themselves Looksee, and I think it'd be a very irresponsible parent who wouldn't.
    In taking this attitude with children you are teaching them to be ashamed of their own bodies. This is a common practise in US and UK societies (inc. Ireland), but is no less harmful for being common. Such body-shame is likely to lead to eating disorders such as Anorexia. Not guaranteed, before you leap down my throat, but exposure to nudity has never been shown to carry such risks.
    taconnol wrote: »
    Indeed. Most beaches are topless for men and women on the continent anyway.

    It's actually much healthier for children to see what normal bodies look like to provide a contrast to the freakishly perfect bodies they see in the media.
    Absolutely. By allowing children to see normal people naked in all their variety, you give them confidence in their own body.
    Stark wrote: »
    In the pool where I go swimming, plenty of parents seem to be very happy to take their (sometimes 12 year old) girls into the men's changing room to see all the men getting naked. Whether the men there like it or not. This is in spite of family changing rooms being provided.

    The kids really don't seem to give a toss either. Granted, the men there were all reasonably young. Maybe it would be a different matter if there were a few over 65s there, what with elderly bodies being shameful and all that :rolleyes:
    It shouldn't matter how old anyone is. Age affects the face as much as the body, but we do not hide the faces of old people from children, so why should we hide their bodies? Children will accept nudity of all ages just as easily as they accept all the changes that age brings about.
    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    Go to a beach on the continent and you'll see how silly you're being. If anything a bikini/mens togs will play on a child's natural curiosity. Bet you a tenner your kids will be looking at porn on the internet earlier than nudists kids
    I suspect you are right, but I have no proof of it. What you will find is that the children of naturist families will ask more questions of their parents instead of investigating online and listening to playground gossip. This is because it will be less embarrassing for them to talk about such issues. Who better than parents to guide the natural curiosity of their children? Parental embarrassment should never be an excuse for not answering their questions - that's just the parents prudish upbringing perpetuating the damage!
    Hazlittle wrote: »
    Spot on. I dont know if there is a study but I would wager that kids brought up nudist friendly are less likely to have unplanned pregnancy or STDs.

    In my view all beeches should be nude friendly and then have special beeches for the clothed.
    There have been studies and you are right. Go to Advocates for youth for one example. The studies have compared rates of teenage pregnancy, abortions and STI's in a selection of nations and correlated them to those nations' attitude to social nudity. The more open a nation's attitude the lower are their rates. Between the US and Denmark this has been as high as 10:1 for teenage pregnancies and 70:1 for gonorrhoea!

    For those who claim it is against Christian teaching, we have a society called Christian Naturists here in the UK and much has been spoken over the years about the bible teaching shame in nudity, but this has been disproved over and over. I will give the final word to Pope John Paul II:
    "The human body can remain nude and uncovered and preserve intact its splendour and its beauty... Nakedness as such is not to be equated with physical shamelessness... Immodesty is present only when nakedness plays a negative role with regard to the value of the person...The human body is not in itself shameful... Shamelessness (just like shame and modesty) is a function of the interior of a person."


  • #179
    Hazlittle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 210 ✭✭Hazlittle


    Brit.Naturism wrote: »
    Just a selection of the many quotes I could have selected:
    In taking this attitude with children you are teaching them to be ashamed of their own bodies. This is a common practise in US and UK societies (inc. Ireland), but is no less harmful for being common. Such body-shame is likely to lead to eating disorders such as Anorexia. Not guaranteed, before you leap down my throat, but exposure to nudity has never been shown to carry such risks.

    Absolutely. By allowing children to see normal people naked in all their variety, you give them confidence in their own body.

    It shouldn't matter how old anyone is. Age affects the face as much as the body, but we do not hide the faces of old people from children, so why should we hide their bodies? Children will accept nudity of all ages just as easily as they accept all the changes that age brings about.

    I suspect you are right, but I have no proof of it. What you will find is that the children of naturist families will ask more questions of their parents instead of investigating online and listening to playground gossip. This is because it will be less embarrassing for them to talk about such issues. Who better than parents to guide the natural curiosity of their children? Parental embarrassment should never be an excuse for not answering their questions - that's just the parents prudish upbringing perpetuating the damage!

    There have been studies and you are right. Go to Advocates for youth for one example. The studies have compared rates of teenage pregnancy, abortions and STI's in a selection of nations and correlated them to those nations' attitude to social nudity. The more open a nation's attitude the lower are their rates. Between the US and Denmark this has been as high as 10:1 for teenage pregnancies and 70:1 for gonorrhoea!

    For those who claim it is against Christian teaching, we have a society called Christian Naturists here in the UK and much has been spoken over the years about the bible teaching shame in nudity, but this has been disproved over and over. I will give the final word to Pope John Paul II:

    That settles it. We need a nude revolution.

    Who's with me?

    Could a mod confirm that I can start a naturist(oppose to nudist) group in the societies section?


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  • #181
    prinz
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    Hazlittle wrote: »
    I think society is crap, so I reject social norms. Dont want to see me nude then dont go to the beech. Stay at home and watch American Idol. This is my island and I'll do what I want.

    As do I. Don't want me to kill you? Stay at home and watch American Idol :rolleyes:

    What a ridiculous statement.

    I wouldn't care about desginated beaches or areas but it should not be the norm or applicable everywhere, and no it has nothing to do with being ashamed or repressed or anything else. My wife comes from a country where naturism would be a lot more organised and accepted and one of the reasons she likes it here is because she can go to the sauna etc and not have to deal with it. She has gone to naturist sites and found them to be incredibly sleazy.


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