Anyone hazard a guess for when the gyms will re-open

Sunrise_Sunset · 17-09-2020 7:07pm

hayoc wrote: »

Heated is common, but Steam Spin?

Maybe it was a heated spin class. But it was described to me as steam spin. The person telling me could have had it wrong though. Chinese whispers n all that.

Black Sheep · 17-09-2020 7:17pm

hayoc wrote: »

Surely the data must show, by now, if they have had outbreaks associated with the gyms reopening?

Well, I don't really know... I agree there must be some emerging data at this stage. But to what extent it is a focus of NPHET, who knows.

It just has gyms, leisure centres and swimming pools closed at Level 4 and 5, there doesn't seem to be any ambiguity.

Looking at the plan, it's hard to square closing exercise classes at Level 3 while reopening wet pubs though... Hard to believe that's in any way data driven and not simply Irish politics in action.

hayoc · 18-09-2020 10:20am

Black Sheep wrote: »

Looking at the plan, it's hard to square closing exercise classes at Level 3 while reopening wet pubs though... Hard to believe that's in any way data driven and not simply Irish politics in action.

Agree. Some of the decisions seem wildly contradictory with others.

Asked in my gym this morning if Level 3 = individual working out but no classes and they said yes, however, they have not been told to close to the school swim sessions which they all feel are more dangerous and have far more people in close proximity in a wet environment as opposed to a class of 6 people in a big room working out.

calfmuscle · 18-09-2020 10:46am

hayoc wrote: »

Agree. Some of the decisions seem wildly contradictory with others.

Asked in my gym this morning if Level 3 = individual working out but no classes and they said yes, however, they have not been told to close to the school swim sessions which they all feel are more dangerous and have far more people in close proximity in a wet environment as opposed to a class of 6 people in a big room working out.

Doesn't the chlorine in the water kill virus's. So just the changing area to worry about? Plus children are less likely to carry I thought?

Black Sheep · 18-09-2020 11:44am

Seems like the advice on swimming pools and covid is reasonably positive. There's chlorine in the water, which is meant to deactivate the virus. That leaves changing rooms and receptions, which are the risk in all indoor fitness type activity I guess. In theory the swimming might actually be safer than individual training in the gym, unless they're very young kids literally on top of each other.

Changing rooms these days seem to be more empty for kids' swimming, I don't know whether most places have reduced class numbers or staggered them but at any rate, even on that score things seem less bananas than usual. Maybe there's less people attending too.

I'm personally glad we seem to be at the stage where we're going to let kids be kids and get on with most of their school and activities, and accept any inherent risk that might pose to the rest of us. There are a lot of adult activities that can be shut down and that sucks for everyone, but nothing worse than a generation of kids preventing from having very fundamental childhood experiences like going to a playground, learning to swim, going to school and so on.

Alf Veedersane · 18-09-2020 12:06pm

calfmuscle wrote: »

Doesn't the chlorine in the water kill virus's. So just the changing area to worry about? Plus children are less likely to carry I thought?

It was never that they were less likely to have it but the degree that it impacted them was lower and the conclusion from early studies was that there was lower transmission from younger children. Symptomatic children shed as much virus and can infect others to the same degree adults can but there isn't any evidence on how transmission from asymptomatic children.

Alf Veedersane · 18-09-2020 12:14pm

hayoc wrote: »

Surely the data must show, by now, if they have had outbreaks associated with the gyms reopening?

They report on the outbreaks every week. The report up to the w/e last Saturday had no outbreaks identified as being from gyms but they could potentially be covered in 'Other'.

caviardreams · 18-09-2020 2:35pm

Important to note that some cases could easily have been acquired in gyms or similar settings but this may never come to light e.g. Philip Nolan clarifies they don't go very far back in terms of contact tracing:

“Public health only ask me about my contacts for the 48 hours before I developed symptoms. They don’t need to know where I got the virus; that happened 5 days ago. They want to know where the virus is going, who I might have infected, and prevent onward transmission.
“My contacts are tested, and unfortunately two of my family are infected. It’s now a household outbreak, and I am a case of community transmission. Even though I got it in a restaurant and brought it home.”
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-will-spiral-out-of-control-if-we-don-t-stop-people-mixing-in-dublin-s-bars-and-restaurants-says-nphet-expert-1.4358304

Alf Veedersane · 18-09-2020 3:02pm

caviardreams wrote: »

Important to note that some cases could easily have been acquired in gyms or similar settings but this may never come to light e.g. Philip Nolan clarifies they don't go very far back in terms of contact tracing:

“Public health only ask me about my contacts for the 48 hours before I developed symptoms. They don’t need to know where I got the virus; that happened 5 days ago. They want to know where the virus is going, who I might have infected, and prevent onward transmission.
“My contacts are tested, and unfortunately two of my family are infected. It’s now a household outbreak, and I am a case of community transmission. Even though I got it in a restaurant and brought it home.”
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-will-spiral-out-of-control-if-we-don-t-stop-people-mixing-in-dublin-s-bars-and-restaurants-says-nphet-expert-1.4358304

Yeah, they had said the same about the numbers for 'travel related' cases, i.e. that they are most likely in there under community transmission.

And he also said:

Prof Phillip Nolan wrote:

We know that in Dublin at least one in three cases are community transmission. Where is this happening? Wherever we mix socially: our houses, gyms, bars, restaurants. Sadly, unless we stop mixing in these settings, we know the disease will spiral out of control.

18-09-2020 3:44pm

"We know that in Dublin at least one in three cases are community transmission. Where is this happening? Wherever we mix socially: our houses, gyms, bars, restaurants. Sadly, unless we stop mixing in these settings, we know the disease will spiral out of control"

A proportion (likely significant) of community transmission are just contacts that slipped the net, weren't provided, couldn't be contacted and passed it on to someone else etc etc

billybonkers · 18-09-2020 5:09pm

Patsy167 wrote: »

Anyone hazard a guess at when Flyefit might extend their opening hours?

Flyefit is about to announce they are closing again possibly?

Gyms only allowed open for individual training under level 3. Or does this mean no classes? Thought it might be private PT

Alf Veedersane · 18-09-2020 6:33pm

billybonkers wrote: »

Flyefit is about to announce they are closing again possibly?

Gyms only allowed open for individual training under level 3. Or does this mean no classes? Thought it might be private PT

It means no classes. So booking 'Gym only' is yer only man

Sheep Shagger · 18-09-2020 6:43pm

Message via the booking the app for Gymplus

Swimming and individual training is ok but group activities are not.

silverharp · 21-09-2020 8:16pm

I was driving by flyfit on Macken St yesterday, its sad seeing people having to Q to go to a gym

Alf Veedersane · 21-09-2020 9:00pm

silverharp wrote: »

I was driving by flyfit on Macken St yesterday, its sad seeing people having to Q to go to a gym

They're just waiting to go in at the start of the session they have booked

The chan chan man · 21-09-2020 9:37pm

Really missing Citywest!! It will be next Jan/feb at this stage at the earliest.

Zillah · 22-09-2020 12:04am

silverharp wrote: »

I was driving by flyfit on Macken St yesterday, its sad seeing people having to Q to go to a gym

This is only people arriving early for their slot. I'm usually 5-10 minutes late and I waltz right in.

faceman · 22-09-2020 6:50am

Papers are reporting tighter restrictions for Dublin by the weekend. If it’s a jump to level 4 the gyms close. Hope that’s not the case.

el Fenomeno · 22-09-2020 8:16am

I've noticed my gym is getting busier at 5am. When it reopened, there was maybe 2 or 3 other people there max. Now there's regularly 6 or 7. The same people usually, but they're definitely showing up earlier.

is_that_so · 22-09-2020 8:20am

faceman wrote: »

Papers are reporting tighter restrictions for Dublin by the weekend. If it’s a jump to level 4 the gyms close. Hope that’s not the case.

I'm assuming by papers you mean the tabloid types. That's unlikely unless the numbers push up very fast and they tend to do things in 2-3 week cycles.

Sheep Shagger · 22-09-2020 8:28am

is_that_so wrote: »

I'm assuming by papers you mean the tabloid types. That's unlikely unless the numbers push up very fast and they tend to do things in 2-3 week cycles.

Irish Times saying 'increased measures' may be required in Dublin and elsewhere by the weekend. Doesn't specifically say level 4 for Dubljn but you'd assume that is the next stage hopefully not.

hayoc · 22-09-2020 8:58am

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Irish Times saying 'increased measures' may be required in Dublin and elsewhere by the weekend. Doesn't specifically say level 4 for Dubljn but you'd assume that is the next stage hopefully not.

The media often flags the upcoming extras by giving a few days warning making these suggestions.

Same last week - on Tuesday the new levels were announced and Dublin was suddenly "2 and a bit" with rumours it would hit 3 soon, then Friday - 3.

Black Sheep · 22-09-2020 9:35am

There is a lot of leaking / flying of kites going on alright.

Both here and in the UK there was several days build up before the announcements about increased restrictions.

I would be genuinely surprised if we do not hit level 4 before the October mid term. The other possibility is that they wait and have us in level 4 for the October mid term, to try to prevent people shooting around the country while the kids are off school.

(Not going to comment on whether we should be going to level 4... That's another kettle of fish).

FlubberJones · 23-09-2020 4:38pm

My current gym is hopefully going to stay open... obviously reliant on the whole of Dublin doing the right things.... My training is starting to go well too so it would be a major disappointment to stop again.

I was around Ben Dunne in Cherrywood today and see a good bit of activity there. New signs and the logo vans in the carpark. This must be the activity that will get it into shape to open, similar to how Blanchardstown has opened.
Hopefully in the next 6 weeks, would be great to see and it's super convenient.

FlubberJones · 28-09-2020 2:17pm

Just had the email from Ben Dunne that they open the Cherrywood gym 8th October, great news overall and luckily I have my replacement gym open and can still use that. Happy to see and they stated that a link to book the sessions will be sent in the next few days

kg703 · 29-09-2020 2:35pm

FlubberJones wrote: »

Just had the email from Ben Dunne that they open the Cherrywood gym 8th October, great news overall and luckily I have my replacement gym open and can still use that. Happy to see and they stated that a link to book the sessions will be sent in the next few days

I just got the same email but then got an email following stating it will cost me 29 per month.....

I have my sign up email saying my membership would be 19 per month until I cancelled it - I never cancelled over the pandemic, can they just change my fee?

Mellor · 01-10-2020 9:45am

kg703 wrote: »

I have my sign up email saying my membership would be 19 per month until I cancelled it - I never cancelled over the pandemic, can they just change my fee?

Did you skip any payments over the pandemic?
If not your a strong argument that your contract is still valid.
If you stopped paying, they a strong argument that the contract is void. If you are signing a new contract, they can up the price.

Mellor · 01-10-2020 10:41am

kg703 wrote: »

I have my sign up email saying my membership would be 19 per month until I cancelled it - I never cancelled over the pandemic, can they just change my fee?

Did you skip any payments over the pandemic?
If not your a strong argument that your contract is still valid.
If you stopped paying, they a strong argument that the contract is void. If you are signing a new contract, they can up the price.

The Davestator · 01-10-2020 10:45am

kg703 wrote: »

I just got the same email but then got an email following stating it will cost me 29 per month.....

I have my sign up email saying my membership would be 19 per month until I cancelled it - I never cancelled over the pandemic, can they just change my fee?

Any business can increase their prices and notice for this is normally included in the contract. In my experience, its normally one month notice and if you remain a a member, you have agreed to it.

billybonkers · 04-10-2020 9:05pm

Looks like we're back to home workouts if Nphet have their way

Anyone hazard a guess for when the gyms will re-open

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