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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Winter 2019 / 2020 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    Very cold northerly on this evening's 18z GFS run with support from the ensembles... hmmm will be interesting to see if there's any support for this on tomorrow's output.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,702 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    BLIZZARD7 wrote: »
    Very cold northerly on this evening's 18z GFS run with support from the ensembles... hmmm will be interesting to see if there's any support for this on tomorrow's output.

    I fear we will be back to the westerlies by the morning. The Pub run has hinted at cold several times over the past month or more and by the morning the cold runs are nowhere to be seen. Fingers crossed that we are on to something here but with the relentless force of the Atlantic and PV this winter, it's going to take some serious luck to draw in a proper northerly or easterly for more than a few days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    Gonzo wrote: »
    I fear we will be back to the westerlies by the morning. The Pub run has hinted at cold several times over the past month or more and by the morning the cold runs are nowhere to be seen. Fingers crossed that we are on to something here but with the relentless force of the Atlantic and PV this winter, it's going to take some serious luck to draw in a proper northerly or easterly for more than a few days.

    Very true, nice to see it pop up in the 8-10 day timeframe and not at +384hrs though. MJO on the move gives me some hope that this is the pattern change coming - having said that, I agree it will require some luck to suddenly be plunged into a deep cold pattern with the current state of the PV.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    Our climate (which is all we have to go on stm because everything is normal) suggests an easter cold shot is the form horse if at all
    Fleeting glimpses of Fantasy beyond 8 days in models is fantasy


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭typhoony


    the shot of cold air from the north will probably miss us to the east, think we might have to wait until mid-February to get a blast of deflected cold from the east. anyway by this weekend we should have a better idea on the location of the high and more importantly if the Greenland High can get established.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,138 ✭✭✭snaps


    typhoony wrote: »
    the shot of cold air from the north will probably miss us to the east, think we might have to wait until mid-February to get a blast of deflected cold from the east. anyway by this weekend we should have a better idea on the location of the high and more importantly if the Greenland High can get established.

    Problem is, here in the east there is no cold what so ever. I've never known a winter like this since I have lived in Southern Poland.
    That Atlantic is influencing as far east as Moscow.

    In FI we have constant cold weather which is the norm for where I live, but just like Ireland now, it gets pushed back and back. Everything is coming from the south west here, due to all those strong LP's coming up the Atlantic.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,702 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    and of course last nights run of decent cold is nowhere to be seen. Short spell of high pressure next week then the westerlies take over.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭typhoony


    snaps wrote: »
    Problem is, here in the east there is no cold what so ever. I've never known a winter like this since I have lived in Southern Poland.
    That Atlantic is influencing as far east as Moscow.

    In FI we have constant cold weather which is the norm for where I live, but just like Ireland now, it gets pushed back and back. Everything is coming from the south west here, due to all those strong LP's coming up the Atlantic.

    it has been very mild to the east, although that can change quickly with a blocking high in the Atlantic


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,702 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    northern and eastern and perhaps central Europe could turn much colder in about a weeks time with their first proper winter plunge. The end of the current GFS run tries to get a Scandinavian high going but I feel this will just collapse back into Russia as the Atlantic prevents it from staying there, but we shall see.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,503 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    Well tonight's ecm for next weekend is showing something similar to what the pub run showed for next weekend last night . Not that I would take 240hr charts by the ecm too seriously but perhaps a chance of a cold snap of some kind before the end of this month??


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Billcarson wrote: »
    Well tonight's ECM 18Z for next weekend is showing something similar to what the pub run showed for next weekend last night . Not that I would take 240hr charts by the ecm too seriously but perhaps a chance of a cold snap of some kind before the end of this month??

    That is a nice chart all right Billcarson. IF that verified it would be a very cold windy day with wintry showers streaming in from the NW, quite possible snow showers and Lightning possible too. Might even get a few troughs or a polar low or...... oh come on just give us a bit of winter fun for a few days!

    A good point of reference to see if something comes of it or if it just disappears , something to keep an eye on.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Similar looking cold windy and wintry charts from around next Sunday on tonight's ECM 12Z. Might be brief, weather moving in from the wings perhaps ?, and the jet is well fired up.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    The ECM began to show milder SW'lys starting over next weekend and pushed the colder weather that was originally being shown for then away further . Tonight's run is showing a wet and windy Sat into Sunday and getting increasingly cold on Sunday well into the following week, the colder air sourced from Canada, Greenalnd and possibly more Arctic sourced air as the week goes on. Currently showing the Atlantic getting a bit more lively again and has a wintry look to it, possibly back to spells of rain, sleet, hail and showers of wet snow on higher ground giving white peaks. Wintry weather atm favoring the W side of the country. Looking like there could be some windy spells also . Has a strong jet over us and more so S of us from the weekend.

    After Sunday the GFS is showing the same sourced cold air getting wintry and some disturbances creating windy conditions ( GFS showing Sunday potentially very windy or stormy nearby on the latest run but long long way off ).

    See will that trend stick this time.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭squarecircles


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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Looks like a breakthrough on the way and a much colder and unstable northwesterly flow bringing the prospect of heavy snow showers by Sunday or Monday. A long way out though.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Kamili


    Looks like a breakthrough on the way and a much colder and unstable northwesterly flow bringing the prospect of heavy snow showers by Sunday or Monday. A long way out though.


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    I hope it happens and doesn't dissolve with 2 days to go as seems to be the way lately.
    I'm really done with the wet mild rainy weather at this stage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Looks like a breakthrough on the way and a much colder and unstable northwesterly flow bringing the prospect of heavy snow showers by Sunday or Monday. A long way out though.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭squarecircles


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Most stand out feature at the moment is a deepening low or Lows showing up off the W /NW on the models around next Monday. GFS stronger than the ECM at the moment . Long way to go to but good to watch the shape of this materialize over the coming days. Looking windy for a few days next week.

    The colder sourced air maybe around for a few days and possibly milder again by Thurs.

    Some wintry showers showing up . Very cold days and nights with wind chill a factor.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    GFS 06Z STORM

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    GFS 00Z STORM


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    Dangerous storm crossing the country next Monday on the GFS 12Z.
    Consistently showing up in the runs past few days,still some time to go.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭squarecircles


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭typhoony


    ECM also shows something similar at that timeframe.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    ECM along with GFS showing spells of windy wet weather next week, GFS showing the strongest at this stage.

    Both models holding on to a few colder days with possibly wintry precipitation. ECM has been hinting on and off of frontal sleet and snow for next Monday later in the day, in fact the 12Z run gives an unusual large amount of rainfall next Sunday / Monday with what looks like a long trailing front and where it reaches the colder air falls as sleet and snow ( showing around 24 hrs of rainfall for many areas, turning wintry later). This would be a very complex set up needing a lot of moving parts to come together . Both main models showing Monday possibly very windy but in different ways.

    Overall IMO the models for next week are showing spells of possible windy or very windy and wet weather, cold air mass and milder interludes, hints of stormy weather, very strong meandering Jet. High rainfall totals on the Western half of the country, highest furthest W.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,097 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    A bit of everything it seems!

    For those interested in weather, it's nice to see things of interest coming up on the models, this blandness has really quietened the forum!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    JCX BXC wrote: »
    A bit of everything it seems!

    For those interested in weather, it's nice to see things of interest coming up on the models, this blandness has really quietened the forum!

    But snowmageddon is happening next week according to a certain Facebook page ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,626 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The Gfs, along with Icon, tends to overdo it with storm intensity. It looks like it will be quite windy , though.

    The situation next week could lead to a lot of cold rain, or snow for some, but it could be the wrong side of marginal. However, a few things on our side are: the cold sea temperatures, which also start to get naturally colder at this time of year, and the record cold in the atmosphere over Greenland, if we do manage to tap into more north westerlies airflows in the next five weeks, our chances of getting snow will greatly increase. We could, if we are very lucky, even get a polar low in the right set up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Narrowing in on Monday night being a night that could bring heavy snow showers across the country. Very cold, unstable polar maritime air and strong winds = good times.

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    Any setup like this won't have longevity though so you are looking at a night here or there of actual snow potential.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭squarecircles


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