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Architect's fees?

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  • 16-02-2020 9:48pm
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    OL16
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭


    Hi all,

    Anyone have a ballpark figure for Architects fees for a c1,850 sq ft bungalow (simple design) on a site in Co. Kilkenny (rural site).
    Most likely a timber frame construction?


    Project to include;

    Construction Drawings
    Planning Permission application
    Building Control Management System (BCMS)
    Sign off for bank loans

    Thanks in advance,

    OL


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    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    10k at a guess.

    Sign off for bank loans also include compliance with planning regs and building regs. They have to include this in their service and quote.

    You may need a separate engineer for structure and sign off on part A.
    Energy consultant for BER process, air tightness testing etc

    You also need health and safety person for design stage and construction stage. The architects will have to allow for this too.


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    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,140 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    Look up the riai website.


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    OL16
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭OL16


    OL16 wrote: »
    Hi all,

    Anyone have a ballpark figure for Architects fees for a c1,850 sq ft bungalow (simple design) on a site in Co. Kilkenny (rural site).
    Most likely a timber frame construction?


    Project to include;

    Construction Drawings
    Planning Permission application
    Building Control Management System (BCMS)
    Sign off for bank loans

    Thanks in advance,

    OL

    Anyone else out there from your experience? Thanks in advance.


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    Spark Plug
    Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭Spark Plug


    OL16 wrote: »
    Anyone else out there from your experience? Thanks in advance.[/quote

    I paid €16k but architect did construction drawings which were more detailed than planning drawings and they also ran the tendering process.


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    Bubbling
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭Bubbling


    OL16 wrote: »
    Hi all,

    Anyone have a ballpark figure for Architects fees for a c1,850 sq ft bungalow (simple design) on a site in Co. Kilkenny (rural site).
    Most likely a timber frame construction?


    Project to include;

    Construction Drawings
    Planning Permission application
    Building Control Management System (BCMS)
    Sign off for bank loans

    Thanks in advance,

    OL

    It all depends.....

    What value people place on the 'design' as opposed to a 'set of plans': Sometimes people are looking for low cost as the sole driver of whom they appoint for the design.... Accordingly sometimes people chooses a plan drawer / draft person / engineer to design their house.

    Back to the original question: Architect fees: it all depends on the project.

    What is the Construction Budget for the House? This often dictates the Architect Fee.

    Some general advice:

    The implications of doing things on the cheap can be very costly in the long run.

    “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten” – Benjamin Franklin

    While money is always a critical factor when people pay for something (along with time and quality), be careful - no point in making a small saving now to the detriment of the whole project and the big investment that you will be making.

    You can get 3 quotes - but really what do you want? The cheapest design you can get? Or, a design that creates a beautiful house of you, adding value to your lifestyle while you live there?

    "It is unwise to pay too much, but it is worse to pay too little".

    Give consideration to the implications of wanting to only pay for a cheap design.

    Do quotes exclude / include the Site Suitability Assessment (or percolation test as you call it). Many architects are not qualified to do this any more, with the new environmental regulations, so you may need an engineer to do this.

    No point in making small saving to the detriment of the whole project and the big investment that you are are making.


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    OL16
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭OL16


    Bubbling wrote: »
    It all depends.....

    What value people place on the 'design' as opposed to a 'set of plans': Sometimes people are looking for low cost as the sole driver of whom they appoint for the design.... Accordingly sometimes people chooses a plan drawer / draft person / engineer to design their house.

    Back to the original question: Architect fees: it all depends on the project.

    What is the Construction Budget for the House? This often dictates the Architect Fee.

    Some general advice:

    The implications of doing things on the cheap can be very costly in the long run.

    “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten” – Benjamin Franklin

    While money is always a critical factor when people pay for something (along with time and quality), be careful - no point in making a small saving now to the detriment of the whole project and the big investment that you will be making.

    You can get 3 quotes - but really what do you want? The cheapest design you can get? Or, a design that creates a beautiful house of you, adding value to your lifestyle while you live there?

    "It is unwise to pay too much, but it is worse to pay too little".

    Give consideration to the implications of wanting to only pay for a cheap design.

    Do quotes exclude / include the Site Suitability Assessment (or percolation test as you call it). Many architects are not qualified to do this any more, with the new environmental regulations, so you may need an engineer to do this.

    No point in making small saving to the detriment of the whole project and the big investment that you are are making.

    Good answer/info. Makes a LOT of sense. Thank you.


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    lomb
    Registered Users Posts: 6,031 ✭✭✭lomb


    Best and cheapest thing to do is look at houses for sale you like that are likely to be approved ie do you need a bungalow etc and copy the plans not literally but similar after you fix the issues of flow and size. You can get copy old plannings photocopied off at the council offices. Then take these to an architect with your specs and get a quote. You want their work on getting the spec done.
    Also I'm not an expert but if you hire a quantity surveyor to price up the various components of spec then you can help out the builders doing the tender and lower the cost substansially.


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