Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 2:50pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Should I pull my kids out is school to avoid getting labeled a part time parent?

If it bothers you yes, if not no.
Obviously it would affect the child's education which is not a good thing.
That is just what I view two working parents as with a child/children who works to pay the childminder.
I know it is not an unpopular thing to say.
Yeah the standard of living is better.
But the parents are exhausted and they have to make 'quality time' at the weekend.
If people are happy with that grand.

I doubt the majority of travellers would be since they value thier family above all else (with exceptions like any other group of course)

lawred2 · 04-12-2018 2:50pm

cloudy90210 wrote: »

those days were class tbf.

the wimminz at home makin the dinner for you and absolutely gaggin for some action after being alone the whole day

shur even if she wasn't gagging - you could bate it in to her anyway - great times

few belts here and there to release the tension - kept it healthy you know

[Deleted User] · 04-12-2018 2:51pm

cloudy90210 wrote: »

whats that pre-tell me

Had to keep all those DURTY housewives windows polished up before dinner time. But couldn’t start work till the milk man had come.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 2:51pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

If it bothers you yes, if not no.
That is just what I view two working parents as with a child/children who works to pay the childminder.
I know it is not an unpopular thing to say.
Yeah the standard of living is better.
But the parents are exhausted and they have to make 'quality time' at the weekend.
If people are happy with that grand.

I doubt the majority of travellers would be since they value thier family above all else (with exceptions like any other group of course)

the majority of travellers would be unhappy because it meant they had a job and had to pay their own way.

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 2:51pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

If it bothers you yes, if not no.
That is just what I view two working parents as with a child/children who works to pay the childminder.
I know it is not an unpopular thing to say.
Yeah the standard of living is better.
But the parents are exhausted and they have to make 'quality time' at the weekend.
If people are happy with that grand.

I doubt the majority of travellers would be since they value thier family above all else (with exceptions like any other group of course)

They don't value family above all else. This is where your viewpoint is completely off the scales. Nonce

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 04-12-2018 2:51pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

But there are positives in traveller culture as well.

For you, the "positives in Traveller culture" amount to a stubborn determination to keep on living in the 1930s, largely at the taxpayer's expense, and with only one meaningful role for a woman to play: having and raising children.

You praise lifelong welfare-dependent Travellers for being "mothers first" while scorning working women as "career-obsessed" and as "part-time" parents.

Your defense of Traveller culture is really just a vehicle to promote social conservatism. For you, Travellers represent a throwback to an idealized time when contented women stayed at home raising happy kids and comely maidens danced around the maypole.

You have nothing meaningful to say about the many social issues -- illiteracy, unemployment, crime, antisocial behavior, consanguineous marriage, feuding, suicide, and so on -- that plague Traveller communities to a far greater extent than settled communities. That's because the realities of Traveller life don't mesh well with your romanticized, nostalgic, rose-tinted view of them.

lawred2 · 04-12-2018 2:52pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

If it bothers you yes, if not no.
That is just what I view two working parents as with a child/children who works to pay the childminder.
I know it is not an unpopular thing to say.
Yeah the standard of living is better.
But the parents are exhausted and they have to make 'quality time' at the weekend.
If people are happy with that grand.

I doubt the majority of travellers would be since they value thier family above all else (with exceptions like any other group of course)

ok

you're boring

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 2:52pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Had to keep all those DURTY housewives windows polished up before dinner time. But couldn’t start work till the milk man had come.

Is it on amazon?

Gwen Cooper · 04-12-2018 2:53pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Basically in the past when a woman married she had to leave

https://www.thejournal.ie/giving-up-work-when-married-1852776-Dec2014/

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Basically when a woman got married she gave up her job. It applied in the civil service, the banks and other places.

lawred2 wrote: »

once married, many women had to leave government, civil and public service positions

I'm sure many private organisations followed suit

think it wasn't fully lifted until the seventies

the halcyon days where gormdumbgorm is concerned

Thanks! Sounds like fun.

Deebles McBeebles · 04-12-2018 2:57pm

Not sure how long you've been here Gwen but you'll soon see this country is very slow to catch up in a lot of ways.

Gwen Cooper · 04-12-2018 3:03pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Not sure how long you've been here Gwen but you'll soon see this country is very slow to catch up in a lot of ways.

8.5 years now, most of my adult life really, I came here from Eastern Europe right after I finished school.

Some things are appalling - divorces not legal until 1996, you still have to be separated for god-knows-how-many years in order to get a divorce, now the marriage ban. And don't even get me started on the waiting times in healthcare. Came to A&E one night and was told that I'm lucky and the waiting time is only 6 hours tonight. Or that time when there was something wrong with my brain and I needed a scan to rule out a tumour and they told me that I can either wait 18 months or go private.

EDIT: AND THE 8TH AMENDMENT OMFG

Trigger Happy · 04-12-2018 3:05pm

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

8.5 years now, most of my adult life really, I came here from Eastern Europe right after I finished school.

Some things are appalling - divorces not legal until 1996, you still have to be separated for god-knows-how-many years in order to get a divorce, now the marriage ban. And don't even get me started on the waiting times in healthcare. Came to A&E one night and was told that I'm lucky and the waiting time is only 6 hours tonight. Or that time when there was something wrong with my brain and I needed a scan to rule out a tumour and they told me that I can either wait 18 months or go private.

EDIT: AND THE 8TH AMENDMENT OMFG

Yeah but apart from all that most of us are lovely!

Plumbthedepths · 04-12-2018 3:06pm

Gwen Cooper wrote:

Some things are appalling - divorces not legal until 1996, you still have to be separated for god-knows-how-many years in order to get a divorce, now the marriage ban. And don't even get me started on the waiting times in healthcare. Came to A&E one night and was told that I'm lucky and the waiting time is only 6 hours tonight. Or that time when there was something wrong with my brain and I needed a scan to rule out a tumour and they told me that I can either wait 18 months or go private.

Surely wherever you came from is more appalling than here, just an observation before you take a different meaning.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 04-12-2018 3:09pm

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

8.5 years now, most of my adult life really, I came here from Eastern Europe right after I finished school.

Some things are appalling - divorces not legal until 1996, you still have to be separated for god-knows-how-many years in order to get a divorce, now the marriage ban. And don't even get me started on the waiting times in healthcare. Came to A&E one night and was told that I'm lucky and the waiting time is only 6 hours tonight. Or that time when there was something wrong with my brain and I needed a scan to rule out a tumour and they told me that I can either wait 18 months or go private.

EDIT: AND THE 8TH AMENDMENT OMFG

To be fair, given the history of Eastern Europe in the twentieth century, most things that happened in Ireland were relatively mild by comparison.

Deebles McBeebles · 04-12-2018 3:09pm

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

EDIT: AND THE 8TH AMENDMENT OMFG

Don't forget contraception was only legalised in 1980 and you couldn't get a bloody Playboy til 1995.

Deebles McBeebles · 04-12-2018 3:12pm

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

To be fair, given the history of Eastern Europe in the twentieth century, most things that happened in Ireland were relatively mild by comparison.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Surely wherever you came from is more appalling than here, just an observation before you take a different meaning.

I don't think its a comparison lads. I brought up Ireland being backward in some ways and Gwen pointed out a few.

lawred2 · 04-12-2018 3:12pm

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

8.5 years now, most of my adult life really, I came here from Eastern Europe right after I finished school.

Some things are appalling - divorces not legal until 1996, you still have to be separated for god-knows-how-many years in order to get a divorce, now the marriage ban. And don't even get me started on the waiting times in healthcare. Came to A&E one night and was told that I'm lucky and the waiting time is only 6 hours tonight. Or that time when there was something wrong with my brain and I needed a scan to rule out a tumour and they told me that I can either wait 18 months or go private.

EDIT: AND THE 8TH AMENDMENT OMFG

legacy issues take time to unwind, especially where changing the constitution is concerned - quite clearly today's Ireland is a long way apart from the Ireland that constituted such provisions...

either way I wouldn't get too worked up about if I were you

the marriage ban was lifted nearly half a century ago
divorce was introduced 22 years ago

the abortion thing took too long but clearly that vote could and shoud have been had much sooner than it was

don't forget Ireland was the first country to have a successful popular vote on same sex marriage so it's clearly not the socially backward kip it once was

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 3:12pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Don't forget contraception was only legalised in 1980 and you couldn't get legally buy a bloody Playboy til 1995.

Oh we got them alright :P

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 3:13pm

Also I nearly forgot the working parents educate thier children which is great.
Travellers should also educate thier children by the way.
But it also cannot be ignored that many working parents treat thier educators as handy childminders while they are at work.
Once the there are holidays for the kids there are the usual gripes about teachers etc.
The kids are hindrance to them.
The working parents want either state education / childminding to do the majority of thier parenting for them.
As that is what the parents have become accustomed too.
This is in contrast to the travellers who are there for thier own kids.
A 'stay a home mother' in general society is a phrase well used now.
But I have never heard the phrase stay at home traveller mother:D
Because, That might actually be giving travellers some praise!?

Deebles McBeebles · 04-12-2018 3:14pm

Gravelly wrote: »

Oh we got them alright :P

Hahaha back in the days when you could find porno mags "growing" in random hedges.

Gwen Cooper · 04-12-2018 3:15pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Surely wherever you came from is more appalling than here, just an observation before you take a different meaning.

See it's complicated. Back there I couldn't stand the people. The iron curtain might have fallen, but the mentality is still there. People don't trust each other. They don't look out for each other. Everyone has their secrets and god forbid if someone hears you talking about them. I always struggled to connect with the people there.

On the other side, they have free healthcare without any waiting times, you usually see the specialist you need on the same day or the next day. They don't have to get their kids baptized to make sure that they will get to a school nearby. Religion is pretty much non-existent there. Divorce? Grand, sign these papers, done (well not as easy but it's basically just paperwork). Women can choose what to do with their bodies.

I was 21 when I came here "just for a few months" but I really connected with the people here, I immediately felt like I'm home, that this is where I'm supposed to be. So I stayed.

I wouldn't be able to go back to my home country now - I only worked there for about 9 months in 2009, have no friends there, no future really. The only reason why I'm coming back is my family. And I get extremely anxious after a few days. The people just have a different vibe there and I can't take it.

Plumbthedepths · 04-12-2018 3:16pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote:

I don't think its a comparison lads. I brought up Ireland being backward in some ways and Gwen pointed out a few.

I'll be honest here, slating a country you willing choose to emigrate too is a bit bizarre in my opinion. I travel to Eastern Europe on a regular basis. Every country has a past that leaves alot to be desired Ireland is no different.

Deebles McBeebles · 04-12-2018 3:16pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

A 'stay a home mother' in general society is a phrase well used now.
But I have never heard the phrase stay at home traveller mother:D
Because, That might actually be giving travellers some praise!?

Could that be because they are all at home? Whether they like it or not?

Its like saying no one ever praises me for being bound by the laws of gravity.

Deebles McBeebles · 04-12-2018 3:19pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'll be honest here, slating a country you willing choose to emigrate too is a bit bizarre in my opinion. I travel to Eastern Europe on a regular basis. Every country has a past that leaves alot to be desired Ireland is no different.

Racism is still rife there for example, absolutely. I wouldn't take offence to someone pointing out the issues they have found here though.

Gwen Cooper · 04-12-2018 3:21pm

lawred2 wrote: »

legacy issues take time to unwind, especially where changing the constitution is concerned - quite clearly today's Ireland is a long way apart from the Ireland that constituted such provisions...

either way I wouldn't get too worked up about if I were you

the marriage ban was lifted nearly half a century ago
divorce was introduced 22 years ago

the abortion thing took too long but clearly that vote could and shoud have been had much sooner than it was

don't forget Ireland was the first country to have a successful popular vote on same sex marriage so it's clearly not the socially backward kip it once was

True dat!

One of the reasons I like Ireland is that it is showing the willingness to change. People are actively fighting for what they believe is right.

Back where I come from you're told just to be quiet, keep walking and for god sake don't stand out no matter what.

It's moving in the right direction here. I'm not slating the country, just some of the things that are wrong here. I think I'm entitled to some complaining as a proper taxpayer

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 3:21pm

lawred2 wrote: »

ok

you're boring

While because I am not playing to your narrative.
Because you find a group think and general traveller bashing is much for fun?
One wagon of a despicable individual it gives people a licence to brand them all.

Yet when I point out a major flaw in the non-traveller community - (part-time parents) there is uproar!
There is one thing you cannot accuse this wagon (Margaret Cash) of is being a part-time parent.
She may be misguided/uneducated etc but she will see/has seen her children growing up in their formative years.
She not be one of those who looks at the pictures and cards the child has created while in the childminders. Where the parent only has second-hand news of how thier child has got on.

Plumbthedepths · 04-12-2018 3:22pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote:

Racism is still rife there for example, absolutely. I wouldn't take offence to someone pointing out the issues they have found here though.

I'm not offended as I said I find it bizarre someone would immigrate to another country and then be appalled by the practices of that country. Having said that Gwen has already qualified her comment.

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 3:22pm

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

See it's complicated. Back there I couldn't stand the people. The iron curtain might have fallen, but the mentality is still there. People don't trust each other. They don't look out for each other. Everyone has their secrets and god forbid if someone hears you talking about them. I always struggled to connect with the people there.

On the other side, they have free healthcare without any waiting times, you usually see the specialist you need on the same day or the next day. They don't have to get their kids baptized to make sure that they will get to a school nearby. Religion is pretty much non-existent there. Divorce? Grand, sign these papers, done (well not as easy but it's basically just paperwork). Women can choose what to do with their bodies.

I was 21 when I came here "just for a few months" but I really connected with the people here, I immediately felt like I'm home, that this is where I'm supposed to be. So I stayed.

I wouldn't be able to go back to my home country now - I only worked there for about 9 months in 2009, have no friends there, no future really. The only reason why I'm coming back is my family. And I get extremely anxious after a few days. The people just have a different vibe there and I can't take it.

Funny you should say that - one of my wife's best friends is a Polish lady, and she often says that she finds it easier to make friends, and to connect with people here than it was back in Poland.

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 3:23pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

While because I am not playing to your narrative.
Because you find a group think and general traveller bashing is much for fun?
One wagon of a despicable individual it gives people a licence to brand them all.

Yet when I point out a major flaw in the non-traveller community - (part-time parents) there is uproar!
There is one thing you cannot accuse this wagon of is being a part-time parent.
She may be misguided/uneducated etc but she will see/has seen her children growing up in their formative years.
It will not be one of those who looks at the pictures and cards the child has created while in the childminders. Where the parent only has second-hand news of how thier child has got on.

:rolleyes:

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 3:25pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Also I nearly forgot the working parents educate thier children which is great.
Travellers should also educate thier children by the way.
But it also cannot be ignored that many working parents treat thier educators as handy childminders while they are at work.
Once the there are holidays for the kids there are the usual gripes about teachers etc.
The kids are hindrance to them.
The working parents want either state education / childminding to do the majority of thier parenting for them.
As that is what the parents have become accustomed too.
This is in contrast to the travellers who are there for thier own kids.
A 'stay a home mother' in general society is a phrase well used now.
But I have never heard the phrase stay at home traveller mother:D
Because, That might actually be giving travellers some praise!?

praise for what, exactly? having kids they cant afford? Not sending them to school? Marrying their daughters off at a young age? Raising their kids to sponge off the state? what exactly do you think we should be praising them for?

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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