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Interdepartmental HEO Competition 2019

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  • #32
    Nerd Queen
    Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭Nerd Queen


    BobCat123 wrote: »
    Can AOs apply for this?

    Unfortunately not! Despite the fact that there is a monetary difference because both grades end up at the same point there is no way for an AO to apply. I know revenue allowed it for their internal heo comp though!


  • #33
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    The_Conductor wrote: »
    Its never counted- and there was union uproar when it was suggested to make similar grades analogous for precisely that purpose.

    hmmm

    internal comp

    can they just disregard or handwave away such requirements for those?


    anyway its clear that its not going to work going forward and not worth derailing


  • #34
    botharbui
    Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭botharbui


    Just wondering for completing the application form can I use management examples from the private sector? as an EO currently, I have no staff


  • #35
    Sinus pain
    Registered Users Posts: 507 ✭✭✭Sinus pain


    I would - why not


  • #36
    LouD2016
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 229 ✭✭LouD2016


    botharbui wrote: »
    Just wondering for completing the application form can I use management examples from the private sector? as an EO currently, I have no staff

    of course, bring in every bit of experience you have.
    I have no staff under me either and was told to put down my experience from private sector. even drag in things from outside work like running youth clubs or things like that that you may done


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  • #37
    Aglomerado
    Registered Users Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭Aglomerado


    botharbui wrote: »
    Just wondering for completing the application form can I use management examples from the private sector? as an EO currently, I have no staff

    I had no staff for the last 8 of my 12 years as an EO. Not having recent staff management experience didn't hold me back. As a HEO now I only manage one person compared with 10 as a newbie EO!!


  • #38
    botharbui
    Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭botharbui


    thanks for the feedback, wasn't too sure,this is my first time applying for HEO only here just the 2 yrs


  • #39
    Idjit
    Registered Users Posts: 853 ✭✭✭Idjit


    Definitely going to give this a go. Last time I wasn't eligible.
    At the very least its experience for next time!


  • #40
    Crunchymomma
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Crunchymomma


    What level of management do you think is required for this competition? As it is the only promotion grade left, it would stand to reason that EO level management should be sufficient but I am very worried that I will get cut at shortlisting


  • #41
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Crunchymomma wrote: »
    What level of management do you think is required for this competition? As it is the only promotion grade left, it would stand to reason that EO level management should be sufficient but I am very worried that I will get cut at shortlisting

    It depends entirely on the Department- but its far from unusual for EOs not to have any staff reporting to them. In cases like that- it would be difficult to show a degree of competence in this area- and it might be better to try and bring outside experience into the equation (if you have it). The fact of the matter is- EOs today- akin to AOs- more often than not, quite simply no longer have staff reporting to them......... Some Departments- notably those with very large CO contingents- might be different- but they are the exception rather than the rule.


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  • #42
    Kittykat6
    Registered Users Posts: 199 ✭✭Kittykat6


    Yep I submitted my application for this.do you think it will be HEO for AGS??😂 judging by last EO competition the majority were assigned to AGS including myself. Replace g inspectors grade?


  • #43
    Crunchymomma
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Crunchymomma


    The_Conductor wrote: »
    It depends entirely on the Department- but its far from unusual for EOs not to have any staff reporting to them. In cases like that- it would be difficult to show a degree of competence in this area- and it might be better to try and bring outside experience into the equation (if you have it). The fact of the matter is- EOs today- akin to AOs- more often than not, quite simply no longer have staff reporting to them......... Some Departments- notably those with very large CO contingents- might be different- but they are the exception rather than the rule.

    Thanks. I hsve some private sectar management experience but only have staff as an EO in the last six weeks.

    Racking my brain for the policy section as well. I'm sure there are EOs involved in policy development but that's definitely not the kind of job I'm in


  • #44
    Crunchymomma
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Crunchymomma


    Kittykat6 wrote: »
    Yep I submitted my application for this.do you think it will be HEO for AGS??😂 judging by last EO competition the majority were assigned to AGS including myself. Replace g inspectors grade?

    Id say not, there really isn't that many HEOs in AGS. I'm in a regional hq and there is 2 here (1 of which is an analyst) and 1 more on the way and thats it.


  • #45
    eimaj18
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭eimaj18


    Crunchymomma wrote: »
    Thanks. I hsve some private sectar management experience but only have staff as an EO in the last six weeks.

    Racking my brain for the policy section as well. I'm sure there are EOs involved in policy development but that's definitely not the kind of job I'm in

    By the time the first batch of interviews are out, you will have 3 more months of managing staff, so that should count well. I'm awaiting appointment as an EO, I have no idea if I'll be managing staff but will put it down on the form when I know. So, as of the 21st of March when the form is in, I'll have no (formal) experience of managing staff but hope to by the time the interviews come around , if I get that far. Even if I do, I may not be in the first batch so that time will all count. Coaching, mentoring, managing up - any of those would help you out. And of course any outside experience you'd have too.

    Yeah I don't have any really. I'm just kinda talking up my involvement in policies that my unit was involved in. It says it's optional too.


  • #46
    derryleigh1
    Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭derryleigh1


    Kittykat6 wrote: »
    Yep I submitted my application for this.do you think it will be HEO for AGS??😂 judging by last EO competition the majority were assigned to AGS including myself. Replace g inspectors grade?

    Cork City has 3 HEO general, and 5 HEO analysts. More vacancies to follow to replace some Inspectors.


  • #47
    LillySV
    Registered Users Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭LillySV


    Lads it’s all about competencies these days, learn the buzzwords !


  • #48
    Crunchymomma
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Crunchymomma


    derryleigh1 wrote: »
    Cork City has 3 HEO general, and 5 HEO analysts. More vacancies to follow to replace some Inspectors.

    Really?? There hasn't been any talk of HEOs replacing roles previously held by inspectors in galway as far as I'm aware. Would really up the vacancies if they did


  • #49
    Sinus pain
    Registered Users Posts: 507 ✭✭✭Sinus pain


    Yes - for this one anyways


  • #50
    Kittykat6
    Registered Users Posts: 199 ✭✭Kittykat6


    derryleigh1 wrote: »
    Cork City has 3 HEO general, and 5 HEO analysts. More vacancies to follow to replace some Inspectors.

    Really that's interesting it was just a guess!


  • #51
    Amanda.ie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 185 ✭✭Amanda.ie


    derryleigh1 wrote: »
    Cork City has 3 HEO general, and 5 HEO analysts. More vacancies to follow to replace some Inspectors.

    How could an Inspector be replaced? His role is office based.
    Why replace an Inspector and not a sergeant for eg?

    Civilians can do some of the clerical work but they cannot replace an Inspector.

    GISC has 16/17 HEOs and more to come I would say.


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  • #52
    Kittykat6
    Registered Users Posts: 199 ✭✭Kittykat6


    Amanda.ie wrote: »
    How could an Inspector be replaced? His role is office based.
    Why replace an Inspector and not a sergeant for eg?

    Civilians can do some of the clerical work but they cannot replace an Inspector.

    GISC has 16/17 HEOs and more to come I would say.

    It's just the administration work associated with the ranks,so co does garda, EO does sergeant, HEO does inspector.??


  • #53
    Amanda.ie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 185 ✭✭Amanda.ie


    Kittykat6 wrote: »
    It's just the administration work associated with the ranks,so co does garda, EO does sergeant, HEO does inspector.??

    Im not sure it's that simple !!!:pac:


  • #54
    derryleigh1
    Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭derryleigh1


    Kittykat6 wrote: »
    It's just the administration work associated with the ranks,so co does garda, EO does sergeant, HEO does inspector.??

    Cork City is part of a pilot system called Divisional Policing Model, lots of newly promoted Inspectors assigned to new posts in governance, complaints & discipline etc. Plans to replace these Inspectors with HEOs.

    As far as I know, Pearse St, Galway and Mayo are the other divisions involved in the pilot.


  • #55
    ilovethistles
    Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭ilovethistles


    Does anyone know if there will be an internal HEO comp for AGS?


  • #56
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    ilovethistles wrote: »
    Does anyone know if there will be an internal HEO comp for AGS?

    Wouldn't civil servants in AGS be eligible for any internal competitions in Justice? I doubt AGS holds internal civil service promotional panels- it would be the home Department that would run them.


  • #57
    Crunchymomma
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Crunchymomma


    The_Conductor wrote: »
    Wouldn't civil servants in AGS be eligible for any internal competitions in Justice? I doubt AGS holds internal civil service promotional panels- it would be the home Department that would run them.

    AGS do run internal panels, there is cuurently an EO one and a HEO one expired end of last summer and a new one hasnt been run


  • #58
    Littlefinger
    Registered Users Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Littlefinger


    The_Conductor wrote: »
    Wouldn't civil servants in AGS be eligible for any internal competitions in Justice? I doubt AGS holds internal civil service promotional panels- it would be the home Department that would run them.

    When I was in the AGS I wasn't eligible for any of the Internal Competitions in Justice.. just the open and interdepartmental.


  • #59
    Crunchymomma
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Crunchymomma


    Closing date is this Wednesday for anyone who hasn't got their application done (��*♀️��*♀️��*♀️)


  • #60
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Lots of copying and pasting happening! :-)


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  • #61
    JamPack
    Registered Users Posts: 28 ✭JamPack


    Crunchymomma wrote: »
    Closing date is this Wednesday for anyone who hasn't got their application done (��*♀️��*♀️��*♀️)

    It's Thursday actually, "3pm on the 21st." Just in case you're rushing through it, you have an extra day 🙂


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