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03-07-2019, 01:49   #76
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Yeh, just about 400 million indians, is all
I think they are vegetarian actually, not vegan.

But we have to agree, surely, that keeping a goat in your garden so you could have yoghurt is a vast difference to cutting down the rainforests to make happy meals as a commodity for the Western population.

Context, people.
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I am bombarded with facebook posts from vegan peers, convincing me to 'wake up' to what we are putting 'innocent' animals through etc etc.


Can someone please enlighten me?

I have my fair share of vegan and non vegan tips i agree and don't agree with,


However just fail to understand why there is a minority trying to change the world as we know it,

As far as I'm concerned, killing animals has gone back hundreds of thousands of years and will continue to do so, thats, in my opinion, what animals are here for.


I'm really not one of those 'anti vegan' I respect and value the information I gather from these people while I make my decision as to whether or whether not killing animals is a positive thing in terms of morals


But surely morals don't come into it? We are animals and animals are here for us to kill and eat, surely suggesting anything else is being in denial of what or who we truly are?

When down the line of humanity did all of a sudden people begin to think animals had feelings? Why are people only saying this in the last few years?

As far as I am concerned I will continue to eat, and agree with animals being eaten, for the rest of my life as will my children (if I have that influence)

Animals are here due to evolution.

Their existence was not arranged for our benefit.

People have known animals have feelings since there were people.

The first law to pass for the regulation of treatment of cattle and horses was in 1822. The RSPCA was formed 2 yrs later.

What you eat is none of my business. What you tell your children is none of my business either.

I'm not going to crucify you. I don't think you are a bad person. I do think you are being very over dramatic though.

My only option really with someone who disagrees with me is to agree to disagree and move on.

When you read literature from the past with animals in it. It's clear people thought they had feelings. People in the past worked with animals a lot more. Most people are not close to animals today and have never been apart from the odd cat or dog.

When life is tough for people it gets tougher for animals. When its easier it gets easier for them too.

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It's always amusing how people talk about their love of eating meat and think they are talking about other animals. Not realising they are made of meat themselves.
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Well, except for Kuru and other diseases caused by cannibalism. Cannibalism causes issues such as this in most species.
Indeed. Animals have been eating meat since the dawn of time. And yes us humans are animals too. However carnivores (and by extension other meat eaters) have been shown to be biologically programmed to generally avoid eating other carnivores

The bulk of prey species eaten are herbivores - all part of entrophy and recycling of nutrients in the ecosystem.

As humans evolved and took to agriculture they learned to domesticate some of these herbivore species - feed them, protect them from predation and illness then (humanly) kill and eat them.

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An international team of researchers led by the University of Granada (UGR) has explained for the first time the scientific basis of the old Spanish saying 'perro no come perro' (dog eats no dog): for a carnivorous animal, eating carrion of another carnivore, especially if it is of the same species, increases the probability of contracting pathogens that could endanger its life.
https://m.phys.org/news/2017-12-carn...-diseases.html

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If there was a nuclear war tomorrow and feck all left for me and my family to eat I'd eat a human without a second thought.
What would make that a wrong thing to do..
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If there was a nuclear war tomorrow and feck all left for me and my family to eat I'd eat a human without a second thought.
What would make that a wrong thing to do..
Nope. Not at all.

It's a matter of choices and necessity.

If one of your children died first, would you eat her?

Because if you don't, someone else will.

We're one nuclear war away from savegry.
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If there was a nuclear war tomorrow and feck all left for me and my family to eat I'd eat a human without a second thought.
What would make that a wrong thing to do..
Was necessary in the past and will be necessary in the future. The only people who could see it as wrong are the Vegans, surely?
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It's always amusing how people talk about their love of eating meat and think they are talking about other animals. Not realising they are made of meat themselves.
Even more amusing when people buy organic chicken because they claim to care about how the chickens were kept!

Its like, if im gonna be a meat eater I can't exactly be a hypocrite and pretend to care about how that chicken slept..
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Each to their own, live and let live. Plenty of people become vegan and never talk about it, their personal choice.

vegans who endlessly talk about their choice and how it makes them superior are a complete irritation.

Extremists however need to be addressed. They want to force their beliefs into everyone removing personal choice from everyone. They often abuse and demean people who don’t agree with them turning to intimidation and violence to make their point. These people are pure fascists and need to be called out for that at every opportunity.
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I'm pretty sure 30% or so of India is vegetarian. The planet would be a better place if we all ate less meat. The seas are almost out of fish too.
India, with an out of control population and a holy river full of unholy things floating in it. Yep very environmental alright.
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When down the line of humanity did all of a sudden people begin to think animals had feelings? Why are people only saying this in the last few years?
OP has never had a pet obviously.
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For most of our history it was necessary to kill animals and eat them to survive. It's no longer necessary. So why are we doing it? For taste and convenience. Is that enough justification for you to kill an animal? If it is then fine. For others, it simply isn't.
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Was necessary in the past and will be necessary in the future. The only people who could see it as wrong are the Vegans, surely?
Vegans along with left wing 'woke' types and those who believe in the sky unicorn known as God.

The rest of us can feast.
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India, with an out of control population and a holy river full of unholy things floating in it. Yep very environmental alright.
Their river is 90% mix of bodies and huge hairy turds

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