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The Random Question Thread
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20-05-2014 12:11am#1
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Mrs Ch commented on a similar thing. "The Island" shipwrecks people with no food or water and they have to fend for themselves. They are a croc that would normally not be eaten. She didn't like the fact that it was only eaten for the show.
Obviously they weren't eating cows \ pigs \ chickens back home so there was some balance. I noted the croc had a great life before then.
No it's not any worse than buying pre-packed meat from the store. Just irks me when the guys keeping saying it was humane and it was a kindness and this sort of thing. Like they kept that croc alive for so so long, tied up, and then on top of that they have to start jeering it and shouting "suck my cock mr. crocodile" at it. I mean I thought they were going to slap some cuffs on the little guy too the way they pinned his arms back. But they don't recognise that what they think they are doing, giving an animal a respectful death for a necessity, is totally contradictory to how they're behaving, not giving the animal a quick death, being thankful to the island instead of the animal.
I hate these shows in a way because it's just a hypothetical scenario, they did not need to go on that show and kill an animal, for entertainment basically, it's not for food because they chose to go on that show. Ok they're killing less animals by going on the show, they'd be eating more at home, but that's obviously not the show's message.
What I find interesting about the show though is that it's supposed to be this social study about returning to our hunter-gatherer days. But it fails to communicate that we only started eating meat because we had to, there was little vegetation after the ice age and really only enforces the audience to think that we still have to eat meat. If it was a show that presented the same scenario, a group stranded on a desert island, and instead gave the message that this is what you are doing every time you buy some pre-packed meat from the supermarket, only worse, killing an animal for food stranded on a desert island feels wrong and you don't have to do this..........then I wouldn't have a problem with any meat-eater going on that show. I think if you watch the show there's a much more interesting social study going on. Look at that Ryan guy, he's upset with the whole croc scenario, he is not finding it easy to kill an animal, he feels bad for them. This is a gut feeling that most of us have but we're taught these feelings are wrong and we then believe they're wrong. The other guys quickly stamp out any emotional considerations and praise and encourage Ryan when he kills more animals on the show. I'm just watching like nooo Ryan, why are you letting someone else tell you what to think, you know this is wrong.Killer_banana wrote: »I didn't see the owl but it sound pretty sad. I'm not to keen on animals being used to entertain us in general so I'm always kind of wary of animal based acts. When it comes to dancing dogs they usually seem fairly happy to do tricks since they get a reward for it and usually the owners seem to really love them so I guess stuff like that is okay. I can't think of an animal act on BGT that made me uneasy but I feel in general when it comes to animals in entertainment if the animal is unwilling, distressed, treated badly or if the thing itself is dangerous then it's not okay and shouldn't be done.
It's funny though coz a lot of non-vegetarians and non-vegans would also say that using animals for entertainment is wrong, peoples view of circuses and large whales in captivity etc has changed. But then when animals are using for entertainment on these shows it's ok? I don't mind the dogs agility type stuff so much coz they seem to enjoy it. But there's so many magicians on there using birds especially. But everyone in the audience is just dying laughing at this owl showing the owner up, I mean that is kinda funny, but if I was actually there in the audience I'd say I'd be trying to be so quiet so as not to spook the birdy more.Killer_banana wrote: »What's peoples opinions on horse riding? Not racing or showjumping or anything like that, just people riding horses as a hobby etc. I rode horses once or twice as a child and enjoyed it and a friend of mine offered to bring me riding again sometime but I don't know if I think it's okay now. I've never seen a horse seem unhappy being ridden but I've never gotten the impression a horse seemed to really enjoy the experience either (as some people claim they do). Also since they're broken in first clearly it's not their natural instinct to let someone on their back but then is breaking in any different to taming or training pets? It's something I'll have to look into more but just curious how other people see it.
ye I was only thinking about this recently too, I was watching this......
My Aunt keeps horses at home so I always grew up with horses and she taught me how to horse-ride so I used to horse-ride quite a bit, looked after horses too etc. Granted I cannot remember when I last did, probably a few years now, but I never considered it wrong. I guess coz I felt like my Aunt treated the horses well, they grazed outside, they were looked after in the cold weather etc, I was never comfortable using a whip and so mostly didn't. They were also more like pets, she wasn't professionally into horses. But like you do kick them in the side to get them to move forward as well as pulling on the reigns which is pulling on the bit in their mouth. Those can't feel good, like when I'd be told I need to use the whip or I need to kick harder, I'm not kicking hard enough, that was very uncomfortable because I felt that was wrong. I think we often kinda mistake animals obedience with animals not feeling pain. When Gary Yourofsky talks about the bit in their mouth, it only clicked with me then ye that's not really normal or ok is it. I dunno, it's tough though, like how do you exercise the horses then without horse-riding? When the horses at home aren't taken out for a while they get so fat because they're just in a huge field grazing contantly. I do consider it wrong now I think, I don't think I could go horse-riding again and I don't think I would go and support my cousin who does it professionally or anything like that. But it's tricky, how do you exercise them then. Horses in the wild have vast areas to roam. There must be horses in animal sanctuaries, I wonder if exercising them is a problem for those people.0 -
I want to make the switch to veganism for my whole family. I have 2 kids under 5 and they are flourishing on a lacto ovo veggie style diet but the more I learn about the atrocities in the dairy and egg industry the harder it is for me to buy this stuff and feed it to my family.
Here's my issue. I have no clue how it will be for my kids in school with a different lunch to everyone else. My 4 year old completely understands why we don't eat animals but is surprised when others eat it around him no matter how much I explain that a lot of people in the world are meat eaters. He brings it up and questions his family and friends already about why they eat meat. I'm scared he'll feel alienated in school. I'm not too worried about nutrition as I can monitor that myself to insure they get everything they need.
So my question is, how do I raise a young family on a vegan diet without effing everything up?
There's not a single person in my circle of friends or family that doesn't eat meat so I don't have any resources there. 0 -
I want to make the switch to veganism for my whole family. I have 2 kids under 5 and they are flourishing on a lacto ovo veggie style diet but the more I learn about the atrocities in the dairy and egg industry the harder it is for me to buy this stuff and feed it to my family.
Here's my issue. I have no clue how it will be for my kids in school with a different lunch to everyone else. My 4 year old completely understands why we don't eat animals but is surprised when others eat it around him no matter how much I explain that a lot of people in the world are meat eaters. He brings it up and questions his family and friends already about why they eat meat. I'm scared he'll feel alienated in school. I'm not too worried about nutrition as I can monitor that myself to insure they get everything they need.
So my question is, how do I raise a young family on a vegan diet without effing everything up? There's not a single person in my circle of friends or family that doesn't eat meat so I don't have any resources there.
That's pretty tough and I don't have kids or anything. But if you are going to be eating a vegan diet yourself, then it is probably simple enough for you all to eat vegan, if there's no non-vegan stuff in the house the kids don't have a choice do they. So you can control what they eat at home and what they have for their school lunches. Now I could be wrong here but I don't really think kids pay that much heed to what everyone else is eating for lunch. Just thinking about when I was in school, you'd certainly notice if someone had a bigger lunch or if someone always had nice treats for lunch, you might feel a bit left out or jealous or something. But what do most kids have for lunch, sandwiches, maybe with a piece of fruit or a bar if the school allows sweets. But your kids could still eat those things, I don't think the food has to look weird. I dunno what would be some good kid lunch ideas, I've never seen that asked on here. But your kids could be bringing vegan chocolate spread sandwiches to school and be the envy of all their friends too. Once you're not sending them off with a bowl of lettuce to fend off the bullies :pac:
I guess though you're probably more worried about him questioning everyone else at school. I dunno really what to say to that, maybe he wont if his lunches look sorta similar to theirs, idk. If they're getting non-vegan stuff off others at school or if they're at a birthday party or something, then I would just let them eat that stuff tbh instead of enforcing rules on a child that maybe they can't understand. If you're going from buying vegetarian to buying vegan at home, then that is already such a big thing. So I wouldn't worry while they're young about what they get elsewhere. Then when they're old enough they will decide for themselves what to do with their own money and what they want to eat. But while it's your money, it is not wrong for you to make good choices for your kids with it, whatever you decide that choice is. It's not cruel, every parent decides what their kids eat, it's only when that decision is veggie or vegan that people start to have a go at you. I mean some people think it's cruel to 'force your choices' on your kids. But I think it's cruel to let a 4 year old decide that all they're going to eat is chicken nuggets, which is what I see happening with my little cousins.
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I want to make the switch to veganism for my whole family. I have 2 kids under 5 and they are flourishing on a lacto ovo veggie style diet but the more I learn about the atrocities in the dairy and egg industry the harder it is for me to buy this stuff and feed it to my family.
Here's my issue. I have no clue how it will be for my kids in school with a different lunch to everyone else. My 4 year old completely understands why we don't eat animals but is surprised when others eat it around him no matter how much I explain that a lot of people in the world are meat eaters. He brings it up and questions his family and friends already about why they eat meat. I'm scared he'll feel alienated in school. I'm not too worried about nutrition as I can monitor that myself to insure they get everything they need.
So my question is, how do I raise a young family on a vegan diet without effing everything up? There's not a single person in my circle of friends or family that doesn't eat meat so I don't have any resources there.
By the sound of it your kids have kinda made their own mind up. I wouldn't make a big thing of it, just make the change 'on the sly'.0 -
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blatantrereg wrote: »I don't have a general opinion on performing animals; I have different opinions on individual cases. I didn't see the owl on BGT.
I saw Circus Vegas years ago on free tickets and thought the whole thing was pretty miserable. It's an animal circus, and is poor both in terms of entertainment and in the apparent lives of the animals.
Then you have things like dog agility trials, where the animals seem to enjoy themselves and are well-kept. No problem there.
Horses seem happy enough in showjumping, and in those hunt trials (or whatever the name is) where they do time trials in woods. Dressage is lame and silly, but I wouldn't take issue with it just for that, assuming the animals are well-kept. I don't know enough about horse racing to comment really. I know that there used to be protests about the grand nationals, so there probably is an element of cruelty there.
I suppose if you have a negative attitude to performing animals across the board, it probably corresponds to taking issue with the concept of pets. Having a pet pretty usually involves training and/or confining an animal to some extent. I'm aware that some supporters of animal rights - ones I would consider extremists, and I think it is the official position of PETA - do take issue with the concept of pets - though I think they make allowances for rescue animals.
I've a happy rescue dog that eats meat and is well-trained so that she is neither a menace or a nuisance to other people or animals. I think adopting rescue animals is the best option, but I wouldn't take issue with people having non-rescue pets. My random questions are - what is your attitude to pet ownership?, and -what is your attitude towards feeding (carni/omni) pets meat?
Personally I think dogs are adapted carnivores, since they are descended from wolves, which are carnivores. They instinctively chase and kill animals. They can eat all sorts of stuff that would posion humans, including raw meat. They naturally love meat and bones. Really they are good example of all the sorts of things that humans are not - and many of the reasons I think humans would be better off not eating meat are turned on their head and I think dogs are better off having a meat diet.
I would personally disagree with show-jumping, it is one of the most dangerous sports, for the horse and the riders. Some of the jumps are absolutely lethal. I'm no expert or anything but I have some knowledge of it because I'm from Meath and there is quite a following for hunting, horse shows and equestrian sports in general there, probably in a lot of rural Ireland too. So I grew up going to those things, and I know of too many people that have died during show-jumping. I don't think people understand how dangerous it is, when you're up close to some of those jumps, they're too dangerous imo. And while any able-bodied person is free to put themselves at whatever risk they like, I do not agree with forcing that on animals.
The thing to understand with horses is that if they suffer a break or a fracture, their bones don't knit back together well like ours, so a broken bone costs the horse its life most of the time. And that's really why there's so much cruelty associated with equine sports in general. Horse racing is especially bad for this reason. Whenever you catch something like the grand national on tv, and you see a horse take a tumble coming out of one of the jumps, it wont show you on tv but if that horse has suffered a break, that horse is not leaving that track alive and can be euthanised straight away on track. There's also a lot of other kinds of abuse that goes on because of the nature of the competition, drugging horses, sometimes people target their competitors horses.
With pets, I'm not against pets, I'm more against buying animals including gifting animals, I find that very strange, guess what I got you a baby for your birthday?! It's a bit weird. I support adoption/rescue pets. There is never any need to pay money for a pet. The idea of it is wrong to me and there's just no need. Even if you wanted a certain kind of dog, a certain breed or whatever, shelters are full of those dogs! I wish people knew that. It's very common, someone buys an expensive dog, the dog turns out not to be a robot and has a personality of its own, they don't like it, they give it away. One side of my family is very good for adopting animals, the other side is the opposite. My cousins have the most gorgeous, lovely tempered Rottweiler that was rescued. She's this massive big scarey looking sweetheart. If there's one thing I would like anyone who has no interest in being vegetarian or vegan to do is, adopt. It's a very small thing that anyone can do and it doesn't cost you anything. When you pay money for a pet you're only indirectly supporting the killing of homeless animals.
Dogs are omnivores and cats are carnivores. Dogs have no issue on a vegan diet, it's a little trickier with cats. It's easier with female cats though. I have two lady cats, they eat meat now, but when we can afford it we're switching them to vegan cat food. Or at least partially switching them at first and it will depend on how they get on ofc. "Ami" catfood has been around for a while now and has become a very reputable brand. I put a lot of thought into this and I still am, I love my fur babies and I would never do anything that would jeopardise their health. One of my cats I have some concerns about, she ate a toy and had a stomach operation less than a year ago so after I discuss it with my vet, if I think it's not in her best interest, then it wont happen. This is a good resource for cats, I don't want to go on about it all day here but if anyone has more questions about that then ask and I'll answer.
Keeping cats in general is a bit of a tough issue for me. I'm mad about cats but I do feel bad that I'm confining them. My cats are rescue cats that I got through an organisation, but they were found wandering in the middle of the road. Instead of getting squished on the road they get to live a somewhat confined life with me, a lesser evil I think. But they are kept indoors, and that was never my intention. When I started letting them outside, I would let them out for a short time at first to get them used to their surroundings. They found it very scarey and even though they would be free to come and go as they please, they would always just keep coming back inside to check on me (one of them in particular, the smarter one!) or if one couldn't find the other they'd be very stressed. I stuck with it for a while because I recognise that's natural when it's new to them. But tbh there were too many near-misses, cars zooming by on the cul de sac, one time one of the cats froze in the middle of the road when a car was coming, luckily the driver was not a malicious cat-hater. One of my cats, she's great, but not the sharpest pencil in the box, I once saw her walk directly up to a big dog and stick her face in his. So I decided I can't knowingly send them outside to be run over by a car or targeted by some of the scum that hangs around the area. They seem happy, they never look to go outside, I've accidentally left the door opened before for my bf to come home and find one of them sitting looking out, but they wouldn't go out. They have a huge cat tree in the house, toys etc, they are allowed anywhere except up on the kitchen table, the counter or the mantle place and they know that. Everything else is theirs including the bed >_>
However this is not how I want them to live out their lives, this is the best I can do for them right now, for where we're living and what we can afford. They will 100% be going outside when I'm living somewhere better. And I hope that is sooner rather than later. Right now I'm living abroad and they're at home with my bf, that's hard for me but it's also a lot harder for the cats than I thought it would be. I really thought it wouldn't matter to them, they're still in the same house they've always been in, they still have someone there that they've always had that's looking after them well. I didn't think they'd care but they do. When I skype them, one in particular becomes quite stressed out at hearing my voice and goes searching around. Whenever I'm home they're a bit stand-offish at first, but then they usually go back to treating me like they always did and they are also visibly happy to see me, usually upon just seeing me outside the window they are going crazy. But with the smarter one in particular I do feel like she's purposely reserved when I'm home because she knows I'm going to be leaving again. And it's just heart-breaking because I can't explain to them that I'm leaving, that I'll be back etc. Whenever my bf returns from work or I return from wherever, the cats will come to the door to meet you and then walk you into the kitchen. So whenever I'm home for a few days and I leave again, then when my OH returns from the airport without me, the cats are standing looking behind him like....where is she?
(sorry woops I did it again
If these things get too involved, I can move them to their own thread if people want that btw.)0 -
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I saw this today.....
"Irresponsible parenting in pictures"A vegan parent has created a picture diary of what he feeds his son on his blog ‘Vegan Papa ‘. In his own words ”Because I realise that some people are concerned that he doesn’t get enough protein or whatever else, I’ve begun posting pictures and text of what I feed my son. Check it out for some very pretty photos and food ideas for vegan kids.Irresponsible parenting in pictures http://veganpapa.tumblr.com/
Irresponsible Parenting in Picturesturnikett1 wrote: »Where to buy lots of cashew nuts for cheapsies?
The asian shops or lidl/aldi, do lidl/aldi do raw unsalted one? I'm not sure0 -
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I think they are a waste of time, ironically the more signatures that they get they probably lose effectiveness because it's obvious that they are from an email newsletter or Facebook campaign. I think local or national issues are best tackled face to face or by personal emails or phone calls to politicians. Nothing like a few votes to focus the mind
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I think they are a waste of time, ironically the more signatures that they get they probably lose effectiveness because it's obvious that they are from an email newsletter or Facebook campaign. I think local or national issues are best tackled face to face or by personal emails or phone calls to politicians. Nothing like a few votes to focus the mind
ok ye that's what I thought. I also don't like that those petition sites are likely just gathering email addresses and selling them on. And a lot of the time I see (number of signatures) out of (target signatures) and it makes no sense, what happens once the targets reached, nothing or not very much. And peta have this link of current action alerts and they seem to be very into petitions. But then do you really want to sign your name to some letter peta wrote up, for peta to represent your views for you, I don't see how that's helping at all, especially since most people view them negatively anyway.0 -
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loveisdivine wrote: »I'm not really fussed about PETA either way, but I know a lot of people really dislike them. However one of their recent ads had Jason Biggs talking about his own feeling on Seaworld and it was really funny and cool
I saw that! That was brilliant in fairness, very funny
For anyone that wants to see it.....
That's fine coz he's just talking about seaworld, it's not just peta peta peta
Ya see why could Jason Biggs not just make that video and share it himself, it would get just as much notice0 -
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How do you guys feel about Safari in general and whale watching. I'm going to Iceland in August and would like to go out on the boat thing to see the whales, I know there are concerns about some tour companies getting too close to the whales and stuff. I don't know I haven't really taken the time to read up on the possible consequences of that kind of thing and the general vegan opinion on it.
I don't have much of an understanding of them. I think overall they are more concerned with protecting the animals, once the safari is not a game reserve where hunting takes place, and once whale watching operators stick to some good regulations so as not to affect the biology/ecology of whales. I was reading about it on the wiki...... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whale_watching :P
I'd say it would depend on the individual company how ethical they are. Supporting nature reserves is a good thing generally I'd say, just depends on how each individual place is run.
http://www.icewhale.is/
This says....Please choose an Ice Whale operator in Iceland, as they stick to guidelines to ensure boats don't get too close to whales or disturb them. Don't forget - you can also watch whales from land in some parts of Iceland.
...... and then they link to the operators. They also have a list of 'whale friendly establishments'.
This company sounds good....
http://www.whalewatching.is/about-us/sustainability/responsible-ww.aspx
I can't really decide if I would do it or not.
I found this article that was against it.....
http://james-mcwilliams.com/?p=4863
But really couldn't find much else online, also did a search on r/vegan which turned up nothing so it doesn't seem to be something people are concerned about.
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sponsoredwalk wrote: »Will we ever get vegan lucky charms or chicken kievs?
well if it's sugar and marshmallows you want you can get those for sure
I came across this recipe for chicken kiev, using mushrooms.Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »Regarding vaccinations like the MMR, I was just reading a blog which broadly stated that being a vegan, you would be less likely to believe in vaccination programmes and more likely to be a "woo". Do they have a point or are they talking out of an orifice that isn't their mouth?
Woo definition: (I had to look it up, not a particularly nice term)
http://www.skepdic.com/woowoo.html
I don't think that's true, that you would be less likely to believe in vaccines. Lots of vaccines have animal ingredients ye, but usually that's not what people are concerned about, it's the adverse effects of the vaccine they're concerned with. I don't have any particularly strong feelings on them myself. I think there is probably good and bad with them, everyone should do their own research about them, treat them on a case by case basis and decide what's best for their kids/themselves. I always found it weird how vaccines were something schools handled. Vegans definitely don't just dismiss science, being vegan makes sense scientifically. Alicia Silverstone is a vegan who is famously against vaccines, but I don't really know any others.0 -
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