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The Hobby Horses of Belief (and assorted hazards)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Since when was Dawkins responsible for elevatorgate?

    .............


    He disparged yer wan and essentially told her to grow a pair. Proper order I'd say meself.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Odhinn wrote: »
    He disparged yer wan and essentially told her to grow a pair. Proper order I'd say meself.
    Having met the young lady concerned - not in a lift, I hasten to add - I'm not sure I'd be brave enough to suggest to her that she grow a pair.

    However, in the context of the nature of her complaint - that she being asked within the unpleasant confines of a lift to join some tactless and probably plastered dweeb for a bedroom coffee - amounts to the same oppression experienced by women in highly religious society on a daily and probably hourly basis - is entirely the same pair of complete bollocks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,878 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Never fear, we'll have this Covid thing licked before the month is out. But why did it take them seven months to think of this?

    https://www.catholicbishops.ie/2020/09/24/archbishop-eamon-martin-calls-for-family-rosary-crusade-against-covid-19/

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,146 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Never fear, we'll have this Covid thing licked before the month is out. But why did it take them seven months to think of this?

    https://www.catholicbishops.ie/2020/09/24/archbishop-eamon-martin-calls-for-family-rosary-crusade-against-covid-19/



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,878 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Clickbaity headline alert:

    Voyeuristic priests used Confession ‘in an erotic way, drawing out people’s dirty stories’

    Alas, it doesn’t take [director] Fegan long to arrive at the blunt truth that Confession is largely a dying sacrament, observed overwhelmingly by the elderly. Those ominous Confession boxes of our youth? Many have been turned into glorified broom cupboards. A “busy” Saturday of Confessions, one priest says, typically consists of between six and 10 parishioners, all of pensionable age, seeking absolution.

    The priests don’t seem too bothered. Father Iggy O’Donovan, in Fethard, laments that the Confessions of yore were all about sexual guilt anyway – “an inordinate emphasis on sexuality”. Often prurient padres would manipulate a confessor into coughing up the steamy details. “Roman rules mixed with Victorian morality,” says O’Donovan. “A lethal cocktail.”

    Irish priests, he says “seemed to have a hang-up on it that didn’t exist elsewhere. It was used by many guys, many priests in a very abusive, voyeuristic, not to mention erotic way … drawing people out ... their dirty stories.”

    That’s all changed, the clerics suggest. And no bad thing. Priest after priest lines up to bemoan the Church’s inflexibility on celibacy, the hard-hearted hierarchy and the degree to which curates in decades past lorded it over the community they were theoretically serving. They seem even less keen on the trappings of Catholicism than the general populace.

    ...

    What the documentary lacks is a dissenting voice. The interviewees come across as united in their regret over the Church’s misdemeanours. But do all priests share this view? Surely there are one or two old school, fire-and-brimstone types still out there and convinced permissive Ireland is bound for hell in a handcart?

    Life ain't always empty.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54581827

    If this isn't a hazard of belief I don't know what is, the poor man ...


    Oh wait, I'm not surprised .....


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,878 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The Burkes from Mayo are at it again.

    https://westernpeople.ie/2020/05/10/who-is-jemima-burke-the-mayo-journalist-whose-questioning-of-dr-tony-holohan-went-viral/
    In the wake of her fractious encounter with Dr Holohan, some questioned Jemima Burke’s qualifications as a journalist. She is a graduate in journalism from NUI Galway and was one of a small number of young reporters honoured by the Press Council of Ireland in 2018 for the quality of her work. She has frequently published articles in the Connaught Telegraph as has her brother Josiah.
    It has been a decade of protest for the Burkes since they first encountered Kathy Sheridan outside the Dáil and Jemima’s actions last week were in keeping with the family tradition.
    “Of course there are a thousand other things we could be doing. I could cry coming up,” Martina told Kathy Sheridan in 2010. “But there’s a lot of unrest in the country, and the politicians are not representing the people.”
    Whether the Burkes represent the people is certainly open to debate and not too many would conform to their very extreme interpretation of ‘Christian’ ideology.
    When Jemima rose to her feet at last Wednesday’s press briefing, she cited a publication most people had never heard of. However, there was a Western News published in Connacht in the late 1800s and early 1900s. It was based in Ballinasloe in Co Galway and went out of print in 1926. One suspects the Burkes would have been more at home in the Ireland of 1926 than 2020.

    Also this :mad:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/coroner-s-court/inquest-into-death-of-girl-17-in-mayo-covid-ward-stopped-over-rule-breach-1.4385492
    Prior to the scheduled start of the inquest into death of Sally Maaz, Ballyhaunis, Co Mayo, at Ballina Courthouse, coroner Patrick O’Connor noted there were more than the 14 people allowed in the courtroom under Covid regulations.

    A man at the rear of the court refused to identify himself and was asked to leave by the coroner.

    “I am a member of the public. I do not wish to give my name,” the man stated. He was then asked by Mr O’Connor and gardaí to leave the courtroom but he refused. Others accompanying him protested it was “unlawful” to be asked to leave a public hearing.

    One of the group, who identified herself as Jemima Burke, was warned she would also be removed from the hearing and was told to wear a face mask.

    “We have every right to be here,” she said. At one point, gardaí warned a woman who was filming on her mobile phone to desist.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Poland's top court has ruled that abortions in cases of foetal defects are unconstitutional.


    Poland's abortion laws were already among the strictest in Europe but the Constitutional Tribunal's ruling will mean an almost total ban.


    Once the decision comes into effect, terminations will only be allowed in cases of rape or incest, or if the mother's health is at risk.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=114757009


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,878 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Hardly surprising since they've done a court packing job the Orange Fuhrer himself would be proud of.

    Edit: the link just opens a blank new reply. Here's a BBC link https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54642108

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    Something happened in France today that could be classed as a hazard of belief .....


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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,878 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Or more accurately a hazard of someone else's beliefs :mad:

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Grimly familiar.


    Austrian police have made several arrests at addresses linked to an Islamic State sympathiser who killed at least four people in a terrorist shooting and stabbing attack in Vienna on Monday night.
    Two men and two women died of their injuries after the attack in the centre of the Austrian capital, which took place hours before a coronavirus lockdown started.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/03/vienna-terror-attack-isis-sympathiser-blamed-for-shooting-that-left-dead


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Did anyone else have "Da'esh being at it again" on their 2020 bingo cards?


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,878 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Coronavirus spreads after Covid-sceptic bishop's funeral in Montenegro

    Serbia's leading religious figure has contracted coronavirus, days after attending a large public funeral for a senior bishop who died of Covid-19.

    Patriarch Irinej, the 90-year-old head of the Serbian Orthodox Church, was admitted to hospital on Wednesday.

    He led the funeral of the church's most senior cleric in Montenegro, 82-year-old Amfilohije Radovic, on Sunday.

    Mourners gathered at the event without masks and many kissed the bishop's body as it lay in an open coffin.

    This was despite a major spike in coronavirus cases in both Serbia and Montenegro, and a warning from the authorities that the event posed a risk to public health.

    Amfilohije, who died on Friday, described pilgrimages as "God's vaccine" and avoided wearing a mask.

    As well as Patriarch Irinej, several other people who attended the funeral are believed to have contracted Covid-19. Amfilohije's successor, meanwhile, was said to be suffering with "mild pneumonia".

    Montenegro's Prime Minister-designate Zdravko Krivokapic and Serbia's president also attended the event in Podgorica, Montenegro.

    "His Holiness is hospitalised in a Covid-19 hospital in Belgrade," Patriach Irinej's office said in a statement. "[He remains] without symptoms and is in excellent health."

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    More than 50 people have been beheaded in northern Mozambique by militant Islamists, state media report.


    The militants turned a football pitch in a village into an "execution ground", where they decapitated and chopped bodies, other reports said.


    Several people were also beheaded in another village, state media reported.


    The beheadings are the latest in a series of gruesome attacks that the militants have carried out in gas-rich Cabo Delgado province since 2017.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-54877202?fbclid=IwAR1A0RmrUd1r_x8mIZlE3GDA57tl2XpSeiCOn0yRiyA83IX4dmJeR4Xt4Zg


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Worth a watch


    The UN says thousands of women and girls around the world are murdered every year under the guise of “honour killings”. How can the murders be stopped?


    https://fb.watch/1J3eJWjG0J/


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,878 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Many pre-Covid worshippers will never return – Diarmuid Martin
    Many of those who attended church services before Covid-19 will never return to public worship, while the Catholic Church will be a “significantly different” entity after the pandemic has passed, Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin has said.

    Speaking during his homily at St Mary’s Pro Cathedral in Dublin on Saturday, Archbishop Martin said the religious culture of Ireland – and especially Dublin – is “at a crossroads”.


    Now that's enough quoting of the IT's copyright, I'll quote DM directly as I presume his words are under a licence that permits unlimited reproduction ;)
    It is not the crossroads of martyrdom or oppression. Certainly there is hostility towards the church from some quarters. The current change in religious culture is inspired more by indifference, uncertainty and at times voluntary rejection.

    The fact that there are in Ireland today more civil weddings than religious marriage ceremonies is not by imposition. The fact that, according to the last census, ‘no religion’ is the second largest population group after Roman Catholics is the fruit of choice.

    I believe that the challenges of church life due to the current pandemic are pointing the way towards another challenging moment for the church. Many whose attendance at church services before the pandemic was fragile will never return to public worship.

    When churches were reopened for public worship for the summer period, numbers were low and the demographics of those who returned were different. Younger faces were noticeably missing.

    The numbers who will attend public worship in the foreseeable future will be significantly lower. It would be foolish to imagine that many of those who do not return to worship will not find themselves also drifting away from wider bonds with church life.

    The post-pandemic church will look significantly different to the church we traditionally knew.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    I remember listening to a podcast on pandemics in general which had some very interesting points on the Black Plague and the RCC which may be somewhat relevant now.

    First of all, it's easy to dump on the RCC, but they were one of the few organisations trying a unified approach against a pandemic in a time before science was really very well established, so you have to give them credit and not be too snide about how they behaved (tactics included huge, rolling masses bringing everyone out into the streets-together - and visiting holy flagellants who, as part of their devotion, were not washing, or wearing clean clothes. Massive disease vectors).

    The Black Plague, it's thought, really damaged the RCC. Most of the good priests died serving their people. The ones who hid rose to power after, leading to a further corruption, and an ambivalent population after they'd failed to help, and ultimately lead as a catalyst to their continual erosion.

    One of the most interesting points I found from the podcast was that at one point, Jewish people were getting blamed for the disease (as they were sequestered away from the mass population their rate of infection was way lower and tbh it didn't take much for people to attack them). The current pope actually sent out a missive telling people to stop: That there had been confirmed cases within the Jewish communities around Europe, which was evidence it was not some dark magic they were behind.

    In that way, a dark ages pope was able to apply scientific theory better and be less racist in a pandemic than the President of America during covid :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,878 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Cavan priest will not be ‘dictated to by pagan government’

    A Co Cavan priest has said he will not be “dictated to by a pagan and communist government” about how many people can attend Christmas ceremonies in his church.

    Speaking ahead of Tuesday’s relaxation of Covid-19 restrictions to allow 50 people in church, Fr PJ Hughes, parish priest at Mullahoran, said: “So what? Big deal.

    “Who the hell do they think they are giving us permission to have 50 people in? They should mind their own business and let us live our lives and let the people be responsible for their own health.”

    Fr Hughes, who was warned he could face prosecution if he continued breaching the rules, said the Government never mentioned Jesus when it announced the Christmas Covid-19 plan.

    “It would stick in the Taoiseach’s throat if he mentioned Jesus at all,” said Fr Hughes. “All he could talk about the other evening was Mr Fox and Roald Dahl. It is not about Jesus anymore.”

    The priest, who will meet his parish council this week to discuss Christmas plans, said he “ didn’t care any more” if he was “condemned because I was practising my faith”.

    The Government previously decided that churches were not “essential services”, he said: “They do not recognise what I do as necessary, and what Jesus Christ did, coming into this world, as necessary.”

    The authorities are “turning a blind eye” to breaches by sporting bodies and others, while children and parents are “going from parish to parish to play football and soccer and hurling”.

    Ministers should accept that “the faith has a role to play in getting out of this virus”, he said. “They have denigrated God plus I must say, the archbishops have let us down.

    “They have not spoken up and represented Christ who they signed up to represent. They are giving in to a government who, from where I am standing, don’t believe in God and don’t understand what faith is all about.”

    The elderly coming to Mass are “not stupid, they know that they need God, and they come to pray”, he said. “They are not coming to talk to each other, they are not going to spread the virus. They hardly open their mouths.

    “When is the penny going to drop with these people in authority that Jesus is the messiah, and that they are not the messiahs, that the CMO or the HSE or Nphet is not the messiah.”

    :rolleyes:

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    "They should mind their own business and let us live our lives"...

    oh the irony.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Oscar Madison


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Odhinn wrote: »


    They should take these issues up with BLM and go over there to protest!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    They should take these issues up with BLM and go over there to protest!


    MOD

    Hello Oscar Madison.

    Welcome to A&A.

    Just a heads up that we have certain standards in this forum and using an atrocity in one part of the world to have a go at a protest movement in another part of the world where the only connect appears to be the colour of people's skin falls well below our standards.

    You are more than welcome to post here but please refrain from making what look very much like dodgy and inflammatory comments.

    Thanking you.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    ...Nphet is not the messiah.
    He's a very naughty boy!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    József Szájer is a Hungarian MEP, a member of Orban's homophobic party, Fidesz, and one of the men responsible for updating the country's constitution to declare that "Hungary shall protect the institution of marriage as the union of a man & a woman." Or, more accurately since last Sunday and his sudden resignation from Fidesz, Mr Szájer was at least some of these things.

    The previous Friday evening, following a tip-off from neighbors, police raided an apartment above a bar in Brussels to find a party in progress involving some twenty-five men in a "state of undress". Mr Szájer attempted to escape by leaping out the apartment window, but appears to have injured himself doing so and was picked up a short while later by police who found him in possession of an ectasy tablet whose presence came as a complete surprise to Mr Szájer who was still presumably only partially-clothed.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/01/belgian-police-arrest-25-men-including-mep-as-sex-party-breaks-curfew-coronavirus
    https://twitter.com/jackeparrock/status/1333796901687214082

    "My clothes accidentally fell off".



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,146 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    where was the ecstasy tablet located so that he was unaware of it, bearing in mind his state of undress?


  • Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scoondal


    robindch wrote: »
    József Szájer is a Hungarian MEP, a member of Orban's homophobic party, Fidesz, and one of the men responsible for updating the country's constitution to declare that "Hungary shall protect the institution of marriage as the union of a man & a woman." Or, more accurately since last Sunday and his sudden resignation from Fidesz, Mr Szájer was at least some of these things.

    The previous Friday evening, following a tip-off from neighbors, police raided an apartment above a bar in Brussels to find a party in progress involving some twenty-five men in a "state of undress". Mr Szájer attempted to escape by leaping out the apartment window, but appears to have injured himself doing so and was picked up a short while later by police who found him in possession of an ectasy tablet whose presence came as a complete surprise to Mr Szájer who was still presumably only partially-clothed.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/01/belgian-police-arrest-25-men-including-mep-as-sex-party-breaks-curfew-coronavirus
    https://twitter.com/jackeparrock/status/1333796901687214082

    "My clothes accidentally fell off".


    An informative and funny post. Well done putting all that together. People voted for him in Hungary.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    where was the ecstasy tablet located so that he was unaware of it, bearing in mind his state of undress?
    Police apparently say that the tablet was, somewhat disappointingly, in the bag he brought to the party.

    However, I can't help but wonder if the bag was an Yves Saint Laurent collectible, picked out in rainbow colors with a nice pink, fluffy edging to it.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Random twitter person suggests a fun new angle on the police raid:

    https://twitter.com/panyiszabolcs/status/1334433918964129793


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Grim reading

    Between 2001 and 2018, 8,009 child marriages were recorded in the Dominican Republic. Of these, 7,480 involved girls between the ages of 14 and 17.
    http://theprisma.co.uk/2020/11/30/child-marriage-an-aberrant-practice/?fbclid=IwAR3Sya-1xwIT_LpM8Ut0rkIFM7-_lovVeIwQFioMHMMlwYn4xa0uFTmwvrU


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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,056 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Grim reading

    Two thoughts:

    1. Nothing in the linked article suggests that the phenomenon of child marriage in the Dominican Republic is "a hobby-horse of belief".

    2. You don't have to travel as far as the Dominican Republic to find child marriage being practiced.


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