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Why do Irish people support English teams?

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  • #122
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭limnam


    Why does a guy from ballinhassig follow cork city fc and not ballinhassig afc?


    Why should you be restricted to the most _local_ team?


    In a globally connected world, working in American companies, presses full of foreign foods, buying from forigen supermarkets watching foreign/British television drinking foreign beverages.


    But it;s odd to follow a team an hour away?


    People follow teams like united all over the world. It's not just "irish" people


  • #123
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    we dont follow the American Football league in Ireland because it is not broadcast here, and generally Irish people do not play in that league.

    We also dont follow the Canadian Ice Hockey league here for the same reasons, and likewise the baseball.

    I was in Canada for the World Cup in 2014 and I heard several people saying that they weren't following it because 'soccer wasn't their thing..'


  • #124
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭limnam


    Deleted User wrote: »
    we dont follow the American Football league in Ireland because it is not broadcast here, and generally Irish people do not play in that league.

    We also dont follow the Canadian Ice Hockey league here for the same reasons, and likewise the baseball.

    I was in Canada for the World Cup in 2014 and I heard several people saying that they weren't following it because 'soccer wasn't their thing..'


    Dunno about that, my job is full of lads who do nothing but talk about American football and stay up all hours watching it.


  • #125
    NewbridgeIR
    Registered Users Posts: 3,712 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    8-10 wrote: »
    That’s a topic for a different thread. The OP is basically saying Irish Catholics should support Everton just like they should support Celtic.

    I disagree with both, we should be far past using religion as the basis for doing anything. We have free will, we are no longer obliged to follow the church blindly

    But overall I don’t even agree with the assertion the Everton is a Catholic club and Liverpool isn’t. Both are far more diverse and international these days, I don’t think that opinion is based in reality. If they’re officially Catholic they don’t show it and haven’t mentioned it anytime recently


    Well you have things like this

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    Saw plenty of half 'n' half Liverpool / Rangers scarves when I used to visit Belfast regularly c12-15 years ago.


  • #126
    Maurice Yeltsin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 127 ✭✭Maurice Yeltsin


    limnam wrote: »



    People follow teams like united all over the world. It's not just "irish" people

    In a European context, yes, it is just Irish people.

    As said, Scots can be die hards for their local club yet have time for an English side. Celtic lads often lean towards Liverpool, Gers do to Chelsea, but there's few who would be purely for these sides and deride Scottish football. You also mention local pride- Glasgow has two teams that get 40,000 plus per gate, yet the metropolitan area also contains a handful of teams that attract gate receipts most LOI sides can only dream of. Same in Manchester- two of the biggest teams on the planet yet thousands of die hards pay in at Oldham, Bury, Rochdale in numbers at multiples of most LOI sides. These lads are from 10 miles away from Old Trafford and yet when they were 5 years old opted for a life of fighting it out at sub Championship level over away days to Madrid and Paris.


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  • #127
    trashcan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭trashcan


    andekwarhola wrote: »
    I think it's pretty impossible to support football in this country without liking an English team.

    Do think it pointless getting worked up about it though. It won't change. Just enjoy what you have.

    It really isn't. I used to "follow" Man City as a child ( in the 70's so way before the money.) That was the way, everybody just picked an English team. I realised over time that they had nothing to do with me. Have been a season ticket holder at Richmond Park for nearly 25 years (having been the odd time as a kid.) Pats are my only team now.

    Agree with your last point. I'm not really too bothered about what others do. You won't convert anyone by pointing out the absurdity of calling English teams "we". If people are happy with that, good luck to them. I'm happy with my team (even after last night :(


  • #128
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭limnam


    Maurice Yeltsin wrote: »
    In a European context, yes, it is just Irish people.


    Yeah?


    You should tell that to the scandiavain manchester united supporters club. They'd love to hear from you.


  • #129
    Tommy Kelly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭Tommy Kelly


    Omackeral wrote: »
    To a degree but then why not support Spain or Germany over Ireland? Why not support Kilkenny over Wexford in the hurling?

    Loads of people support counties different to the counties they are from. Go to a Galway Hurling match, let it be an inter-county match or the Galway county final and you'll see people there from Roscommon, leitrim, Mayo, Sligo etc. Some of them are well known to hardly ever miss a match and could teach some local lads a thing or two about Galway hurling in the days gone by. Same story around the country. You're talking out of your arse.


  • #130
    EPAndlee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭EPAndlee


    My father supports Man United, I've no idea why but growing in the 90s that's the matches that were shown in my house so naturally started supporting them. I imagine the players had a lot to do with me sticking with United. Try to watch LOI but the tv coverage is so poor, I must get around to actually going to a game


  • #131
    Maurice Yeltsin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 127 ✭✭Maurice Yeltsin


    Edenmoar wrote: »
    I dread the day Dundalk or Bohs or Cark draw Yenira or Celtic or one of those teams in Europa group stage and the crowd is 90% for the British team. Cringe.

    I'd be half tempted to dust off the Pool jersey and stall in if Rovers ended up playing them :D


    I really wouldn't. Loath Rovers as everyone outside of Tallaght does, but joining the Dublin Reds or whatever they refer to themselves as in the stands to belt out the two chants they average fan knows would be toe curling.

    Mentioning Celtic, even more bizarre mental gymnastics are those who chastise "West Brits" who fpllow an English club, because they themselves keep it Irish by following....Celtic?!? I'll admit I do like to see them go on in Europe but it is textbook armchair fan nonsense.


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  • #132
    Arthur Daley
    Registered Users Posts: 4,374 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    Gonad wrote: »
    We have a great product on our door step . It could be much much better if Irish people supoorted it better . I know it works both ways but if Irish people actually just went to a game every week at home we would be flying

    https://youtu.be/acRQXajXnJw

    I'm thinking the top sides in the League of Ireland in the last 5 years: Dundalk and Cork are playing at the standard of middle to top of the English Championship/bottom of the Premiership even e.g. Fulham/Cardiff/Huddersfield and other teams that may yoyo up and down.

    Evidence is from watching the games involving Dundalk and Cork, and in particular Dundalk's runs in Europe, competitive against teams like BATE, AZ Alkmaar, Zenit and Rosenberg. Players can and do slot into Championship sides and Premiership sides when they go across. There are mixed experiences of this sure, but there always will be.

    But then the attendances in the League of Ireland, even at the top games, are way below this standard. The best attended League of Ireland clubs have average attendances that are above only a dozen or so of the 92 clubs across the 4 English divisions. So top League of Ireland clubs are aiming to compete at an English Championship/European Champions League/Europa league final qualifying round standard, with bottom half of Division 4 attendances.

    The attendances are poor for the standard of football on display, which is kinda the fault of the local football loving public to be brutally honest. It's not all the fault of the clubs/FAI from what I can see going to matches.


  • #133
    Edenmoar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 62 ✭✭Edenmoar


    limnam wrote: »
    Why does a guy from ballinhassig follow cork city fc and not ballinhassig afc?


    Why should you be restricted to the most _local_ team?


    In a globally connected world, working in American companies, presses full of foreign foods, buying from forigen supermarkets watching foreign/British television drinking foreign beverages.


    But it;s odd to follow a team an hour away?


    People follow teams like united all over the world. It's not just "irish" people

    I think it’s just annoying to LOI fans that there’s such fervent support for foreign teams when we have a league on our own doorstep that would greatly improve if we paid more attention to it. People saying “we” this and that about Spurs and Liverpool is hella cringe.


  • #134
    8-10
    Registered Users Posts: 13,304 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I suppose the same lads only support RTE and Irish funded TV productions and don't go near British programming


  • #135
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Arthur Daley wrote: »
    I'm thinking the top sides in the League of Ireland in the last 5 years: Dundalk and Cork are playing at the standard of middle to top of the English Championship/bottom of the Premiership even e.g. Fulham/Cardiff/Huddersfield and other teams that may yoyo up and down.

    Evidence is from watching the games involving Dundalk and Cork, and in particular Dundalk's runs in Europe, competitive against teams like BATE, AZ Alkmaar, Zenit and Rosenberg. Players can and do slot into Championship sides and Premiership sides when they go across. There are mixed experiences of this sure, but there always will be.

    But then the attendances in the League of Ireland, even at the top games, are way below this standard. The best attended League of Ireland clubs have average attendances that are above only a dozen or so of the 92 clubs across the 4 English divisions. So top League of Ireland clubs are aiming to compete at an English Championship/European Champions League/Europa league final qualifying round standard, with bottom half of Division 4 attendances.

    The attendances are poor for the standard of football on display, which is kinda the fault of the local football loving public to be brutally honest. It's not all the fault of the clubs/FAI from what I can see going to matches.

    Not a chance. Lower Championship to mid league one at best. Which is grand like, the matches are still good viewing for the most part, but that's a mad comparison.


  • #136
    8-10
    Registered Users Posts: 13,304 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Edenmoar wrote: »
    I think it’s just annoying to LOI fans that there’s such fervent support for foreign teams when we have a league on our own doorstep that would greatly improve if we paid more attention to it. People saying “we” this and that about Spurs and Liverpool is hella cringe.

    Hella cringe is hella cringe


  • #137
    Edenmoar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 62 ✭✭Edenmoar


    8-10 wrote: »
    I suppose the same lads only support RTE and Irish funded TV productions and don't go near British programming

    D-. Must try harder.


  • #138
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭limnam


    Edenmoar wrote: »
    I think it’s just annoying to LOI fans that there’s such fervent support for foreign teams when we have a league on our own doorstep that would greatly improve if we paid more attention to it. People saying “we” this and that about Spurs and Liverpool is hella cringe.


    Why?


    Pick your team, go to your game enjoy your match. What difference does it make who or what some other fan does?


    Do you think people who go to watch Tallaght town FC give out about people from Tallaght going to watch rovers? Rovers are blow ins, why didn't they go to watch Tallaght town before? or newtown rangers, or milmount? Why are they going to rovers!


    It's a penny looking down on a happenny. Enjoy your ball and fck what everyone else is doing.


  • #139
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,014 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Deleted User wrote: »
    we dont follow the American Football league in Ireland because it is not broadcast here, and generally Irish people do not play in that league.

    We also dont follow the Canadian Ice Hockey league here for the same reasons, and likewise the baseball.

    I was in Canada for the World Cup in 2014 and I heard several people saying that they weren't following it because 'soccer wasn't their thing..'

    Who's "we"? Can watch pretty much anything on the planet wit hthe internet. I just finished watching Central Coast Mariners v Wellington Pheonix in the Australian A-league (admittedly only because I had a bet on it :) )

    I watch American football and MLS. I watch Spanish, German and occasionally Dutch soccer. I watch ice hockey from time to time, but amn't very knowledge about it.
    Edenmoar wrote: »
    I dread the day Dundalk or Bohs or Cark draw Yenira or Celtic or one of those teams in Europa group stage and the crowd is 90% for the British team. Cringe.

    Genuine question - who?

    ---

    In answer to the OP, it's a combination of quality and exposure. The premier league is a better quality league and when any of us over the age of about 35 started watching soccer it was the only league we had exposure to at the time. As I said, that's change a bit recently. Plus a l lot of people carried on following the teams out parents and older family followed for the same reason. We were kids.

    I do try and catch a Premier league game when I'm home in Ireland, but unfortunaly it's usually over Christmas when the season's over. Wouldn't have a favourite team though.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #140
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    8-10 wrote: »
    I suppose the same lads only support RTE and Irish funded TV productions and don't go near British programming

    I watch very very little English TV unless it's a subject I'm really interested in. Outside of the odd streamed show, 95% of my TV viewing is 1-4.


  • #141
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Genuine question - who?

    Man yenira.


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  • #142
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users Posts: 34,044 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Let's stop all going to the cinema cause very little Irish movie's.
    Also don't listen to any music that is not Irish.

    Oh and I also support the LOI. But sometimes people just like enjoy other Fruits for whole host of reasons


  • #143
    8-10
    Registered Users Posts: 13,304 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Edenmoar wrote: »
    D-. Must try harder.

    What's the difference then?

    To me it just seems like people want something to be outraged about.

    Being judgmental about what team of people kicking a ball somebody supports is a bit mad to me.


  • #144
    Edenmoar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 62 ✭✭Edenmoar


    Clubs are about loyalty and where you’re from, at least that’s what Bohs are to me. It’s part of my identity, you might find that sad but I feel a real sense of belonging in Dalymount. We have family birthday parties in the bars in Dalymount and I’ve been there since I’m a toddler. My uncles retirement do was there recently and he writes for the match programs sometimes. These things don’t apply to Corpnation st. I suppose bar stoolers wouldn’t get what it’s like to support their own team. Bohs is a community.


  • #145
    8-10
    Registered Users Posts: 13,304 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    I watch very very little English TV unless it's a subject I'm really interested in. Outside of the odd streamed show, 95% of my TV viewing is 1-4.

    And 95% of my soccer viewing is British. Unless is a game I'm really interested in.

    Comes down to personal taste I guess?


  • #146
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Arthur Daley wrote: »
    ... the standard of middle to top of the English Championship/bottom of the Premiership even e.g. Fulham/Cardiff/Huddersfield and other teams that may yoyo up and down.

    Simply, and I don't mean to offend, you're deluded.


  • #147
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    8-10 wrote: »
    And 95% of my soccer viewing is British. Unless is a game I'm really interested in.

    Comes down to personal taste I guess?

    It does indeed. That's why I don't care who watches it so long as I don't have to unless it's something to do with an Irish international.


  • #148
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭limnam


    Edenmoar wrote: »
    Clubs are about loyalty and where you’re from, at least that’s what Bohs are to me. That doesn’t apply to Corpnation st. I suppose bar stoolers wouldn’t get what it’s like to support their own team. Bohs is a community.


    Why does boh's have so many fans from castleknock?


    They're not from phibs/cabra?


    Should rovers fans from dublin 1 stop supporting them when the moved to to miltown? should people from miltown stop supporting them becuase they moved to tallaght


    There's no rules to football fan/support and it's moronc views like this that prevent a lot of people coming into LOI.


  • #149
    Maurice Yeltsin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 127 ✭✭Maurice Yeltsin


    limnam wrote: »
    Yeah?


    You should tell that to the scandiavain manchester united supporters club. They'd love to hear from you.

    I would wager the majority of the supporters club also support Helsingsborgs, Malmo etc etc.

    Just under 18,000 people countrywide attended the first week of this season of LOI. Assuming it's mostly men, about 0.75 percent of the male population. More than 99 out of 100 men were not there. Yet probably 70 out of 100 of these regard themselves as a fan of a British club.

    I believe something like 200,000 attend at least one EPL game per year. I'd bet the majority of these never attend LOI.


  • #150
    8-10
    Registered Users Posts: 13,304 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Edenmoar wrote: »
    Clubs are about loyalty and where you’re from, at least that’s what Bohs are to me. It’s part of my identity, you might find that sad but I feel a real sense of belonging in Dalymount. We have family birthday parties in the bars in Dalymount and I’ve been there since I’m a toddler. My uncles retirement do was there recently and he writes for the match programs sometimes. These things don’t apply to Corpnation st. I suppose bar stoolers wouldn’t get what it’s like to support their own team. Bohs is a community.

    And I feel a real sense of belonging at Anfield. That's what supporting your team is about.


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  • #151
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭limnam


    Maurice Yeltsin wrote: »
    I would wager the majority of the supporters club also support Helsingsborgs, Malmo etc etc.

    Just under 18,000 people countrywide attended the first week of this season of LOI. Assuming it's mostly men, about 0.75 percent of the male population. More than 99 out of 100 men were not there. Yet probably 70 out of 100 of these regard themselves as a fan of a British club.

    I believe something like 200,000 attend at least one EPL game per year. I'd bet the majority of these never attend LOI.


    So it's not just an Irish thing.


    Glad we cleared that up.


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