Property Market 2020

SozBbz · 09-01-2020 11:24am

bdmc5 wrote: »

Unfortunately i did read your comment and this 2nd comment only confirms that some personal observations on your part doesnt in any way shape or form constitute the "majority of people"

In fact, it seems you may have a bit of A Rated home envy

You're clearly having a senior moment then.

Also - where did I say fact? Is this or is this not a discussion forum where people are entitled to give their opinions based on real life observations and experiences?

Sure, a good energy rating would be nice, but I don't know if A rated is actually what I'd want.

I've a period home in a mature location on a large site which I'm gradually improving. I would not swap it for a 3 story terraced rectangular block in an estate for all the energy savings in the world.

sweetie · 09-01-2020 11:31am

Can we get back to the market....please?

Ush1 · 09-01-2020 2:20pm

SozBbz wrote: »

If you read my post, I already said the heating was not on. The house has underfloor heating and we were in our socks (new house, shoes left at the door) so we would have felt it.

It was just having 3 people in the room and using cooking facilities and it became too warm.

Its not the first new house I've noticed this in and other posters have cited it before here.

If you have to open a window to let heat out, the ventilation system isn't working right.

Ush1 · 09-01-2020 2:22pm

cruizer101 wrote: »

An A1 rated house is supposed to use less than 25 kWh/m2/year, so for a 100m2 house that is 2500 kWh/year.

The solar energy that falls on a south facing window ranges between 0.97 and 2.68 kWh/m2/day, though its over 2 for 8 months of year, and average is about 2 (source).
Lets take the average 2, and lets say 10m2 of windows south facing.
Solar Heat Gain Coefficient, SHGC, is factor for amount of solar energy that gets through window typically ranges between 0.3 and 0.5.
2 kWh/m2/day * 10m2 * 0.3 = 6kWh/day solar heat gain, which is over 2000kWh/year in just solar gain.

Add that to other heat sources and its easy to see how it could get too warm in a house and easily warmer than outside.

Making a lot of assumptions there, your solar gains are going to be very different in summer to winter.

Also, how many new builds are A1 rated? If the house is overheating there is a problem with regards ventilation. They are designed to maintain ambient temps which you can set.

Sleepy · 09-01-2020 2:53pm

Ush1 wrote: »

This isn't really much to do with BER which is a poor measurement anyway. If you have to have your window open all the time it's a ventilation or heating controls issue.

Your house shouldn't get too hot, especially in the winter, if it's designed correctly.

My house would have been designed in the 1910's or 20's so you'd be right on that. Effectively the heat escaping from the living room below warms our bedroom which leads to that one room being too hot. Adding additional ventilation to the room isn't an option as we're in an Architectural Conservation Area where drilling new ventilation through the wall wouldn't be an option either (and tbh, why bother when you can just open the window a crack!).

davedub2015 · 09-01-2020 2:55pm

Is this thread about the property market or a rated homes ?? Give it a rest lads set a new thread up

Sweet.Science · 09-01-2020 3:00pm

Would the market for homes under 300k still be as competitive in 2020
Thinking about upsizing at the end of the year
All depends on what i'd get for mine

q85dw7osi4lebg · 09-01-2020 3:06pm

Looking at daft in the past 7 days alone 3 houses in my area have gone sale agreed, these were all on the market over six months, 250-300k bracket in the north east.

Possibly exemptions.

Assetbacked · 09-01-2020 3:07pm

davedub2015 wrote: »

Is this thread about the property market or a rated homes ?? Give it a rest lads set a new thread up

A G-Rated discussion about whether people feel cold in an A-Rated home, unBERable.

Whodanoob · 09-01-2020 5:38pm

Does anyone know how much the houses in the last phase of the Wicklow Hills were? Or how much the next phase might be?

09-01-2020 6:44pm

Is location all that changes from one estate to another these days? I can't see much different in terms of the general design of estates, layouts, etc. all seem very much copy/paste jobs.

Handful of estates look a bit different (there's a couple I've seen in Rush (Dublin) that look a bit different from the usual) but the vast majority seem like duplicates of each other in almost every way.

Mostly a mix of smooth plaster, and red brick, row of Semi-D, often with a detached at each end, mish-mash of some houses having their own driveway and the random terrace of houses that appears beat in along the way that often has shared parked at the front. Lot of houses having the ground floor extension at the back, aswell, albeit with a post-stamp back garden (haven't seen any houses with a big back garden in a long time).

Bewilders me when you see estates being built in Cavan/Monaghan, etc. where the's no shortage of fields and green space, and the houses still have tiny back gardens you can barely put a table out in.

I wonder is it that the dreadful design of many of the trouble estates around the country has been copped onto and this design seems like a neutral one to keep the scummers at bay. Lots of cul de sacs and estates with just one-way-in, one-way-out entrances to avoid through-traffic?

Also haven't seen an estate of just detached houses appearing in a while (at least not in Dublin/Louth/Meath etc. I wonder is that on purpose to try and beat more people into the estates? or is there just no demand for it as the cost would be prohibitive for the benefits.

TheSheriff · 09-01-2020 7:23pm

Viewed our first house of 2020 last night, a modest 3 bed semi in somewhat close proximity to Castleknock (i.e. castleknock in the name, but eircode says different).

It's over out budget, but hasn't been listed online yet and we were first in the door. We went in case it was 'the house'. It was, in my opinion overpriced by about 50K compared with comparable properties in the area......

So while the newspapers are reporting prices are dropping it seems vendors initial expectations are not. I called out the estate agent on a few things last night including the rubbish of having castleknock in the name, the work and cash needed to bring out the 'potential' he kept talking about and his response was the vendor is confident they'll achieve asking....

We wished him luck.

ZX7R · 09-01-2020 7:52pm

TheSheriff wrote: »

Viewed our first house of 2020 last night, a modest 3 bed semi in somewhat close proximity to Castleknock (i.e. castleknock in the name, but eircode says different).

It's over out budget, but hasn't been listed online yet and we were first in the door. We went in case it was 'the house'. It was, in my opinion overpriced by about 50K compared with comparable properties in the area......

So while the newspapers are reporting prices are dropping it seems vendors initial expectations are not. I called out the estate agent on a few things last night including the rubbish of having castleknock in the name, the work and cash needed to bring out the 'potential' he kept talking about and his response was the vendor is confident they'll achieve asking....

We wished him luck.

So what was the asking price

nerrad01 · 09-01-2020 10:41pm

so whats the months that traditionally have the most properties listed? so few places up at the moment

Padre_Pio · 10-01-2020 12:40am

nerrad01 wrote: »

so whats the months that traditionally have the most properties listed? so few places up at the moment

Spring and Autumn.
Houses look great these times of the year.
Harder to sell a house now when it's miserable, cold and all your garden is in bad shape.

Sleepy · 10-01-2020 11:42am

Deleted User wrote: »

Also haven't seen an estate of just detached houses appearing in a while (at least not in Dublin/Louth/Meath etc. I wonder is that on purpose to try and beat more people into the estates? or is there just no demand for it as the cost would be prohibitive for the benefits.

When 10% of the units have to go to social housing, it makes little sense to build an estate of only detached units.

awec · 10-01-2020 11:57am

Sleepy wrote: »

When 10% of the units have to go to social housing, it makes little sense to build an estate of only detached units.

It's nothing to do with social housing. It makes no sense to build detached units because they take up too much space, and space is valuable.

The houses would end up too expensive and the demand wouldn't be there.

Developers don't build social houses for free, they are paid for them.

Sleepy · 10-01-2020 1:02pm

Yes, and in estates where they want to build detached units, it makes more sense to build semi-detached or terraced units for the social housing units in order to save that space for the detached units where higher margins can be achieved thus resulting in a lack of 100% detached unit estates being built.

Graham · 10-01-2020 1:07pm

Most local authorities now have a minimum housing density requirement for planning applications.

awec · 10-01-2020 1:15pm

Sleepy wrote: »

Yes, and in estates where they want to build detached units, it makes more sense to build semi-detached or terraced units for the social housing units in order to save that space for the detached units where higher margins can be achieved thus resulting in a lack of 100% detached unit estates being built.

It is very unlikely that you would see a fully detached development, social housing or no social housing. It would not make sense, except for at the very high end of the market.

Cuddlesworth · 10-01-2020 1:26pm

Graham wrote: »

Most local authorities now have a minimum housing density requirement for planning applications.

100% this. A load of applications get rejected for not being dense enough.

SozBbz · 10-01-2020 1:39pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

100% this. A load of applications get rejected for not being dense enough.

This is true. We had one beside us rejected for this reason not so long ago. In DLR for example, they've two measures of density, and both are higher than they would have been pre crash.

There is a standard density requirement and then a higher one if you're 1km or less from major transport infrastructure - the Dart, the Luas or a QBC, so that covers quite a large area.

This probably also answers the question as to why so many new builds look the same.

They've obviously found the optimum design/footprint to meet the density requirements and be profitable, and are just building it over and over again with only minor variables.

awec · 10-01-2020 2:20pm

I wouldn't say new builds look the same at all tbh. There's quite a bit of variety between different developments.

gourcuff · 10-01-2020 3:10pm

Graham wrote: »

Most local authorities now have a minimum housing density requirement for planning applications.

Its more being driven by national planning policy and being implemented strongly by ABP under the SHD process. They have a mandate for higher densities as set out in the Guidelines on Sustainable Residential Development in Urban Areas (2009). Public Transport Corridors are 50 units per ha minimum for example.

Dav010 · 10-01-2020 6:54pm

Over the years there has been numerous posts calling for amateur landlords to leave the market to “professionals”, is that what was meant?

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/cairn-sells-229-homes-to-landlord-for-78m-1.4135996?mode=amp

As these are new properties, rents will be set at the very top of the market in order to maximise yield, and automatically increase when regs allow. It will increase availability, but at the highest price and none will be available for purchase by families.

10-01-2020 8:47pm

awec wrote: »

It's nothing to do with social housing. It makes no sense to build detached units because they take up too much space, and space is valuable.

The houses would end up too expensive and the demand wouldn't be there.

Developers don't build social houses for free, they are paid for them.

We are not stuck for space in this country. Drive around a condensed country like holland and they are majority detached houses. Not too big. We have an obsession with square footage in Ireland.

awec · 10-01-2020 9:02pm

Deleted User wrote: »

We are not stuck for space in this country. Drive around a condensed country like holland and they are majority detached houses. Not too big. We have an obsession with square footage in Ireland.

We are not stuck for space but land that can actually be developed for housing is expensive and it does not make sense to fill it full of the lowest possible density housing. Especially in the places that are in high demand.

Ultimately if there was a market for detached houses they'd build them, but the reality is the resulting cost of the houses puts them out of reach of the majority of people.

L1011 · 10-01-2020 9:17pm

Recent detached only estates near me have houses with virtually no gardens front or rear and a passageway between each house that's about wide enough for an adult to squeeze both sides of a wall. You could reach and touch both if the wall wasn't there.

Basically detached in name only - you will still hear noise from next door and so on.

Dav010 · 10-01-2020 9:22pm

Where supply is needed and land is most constricted, why we don’t build higher instead of wider is beyond me. Dublin CoCo should be allowing higher.

Padre_Pio · 10-01-2020 11:28pm

Dav010 wrote: »

Where supply is needed and land is most constricted, why we don’t build higher instead of wider is beyond me. Dublin CoCo should be allowing higher.

I agree. I'd prefer not to see hectares of estates around every town, just so people can have the illusion of space. So long as there's decent insulation, a semi detatched is perfect.
Same for apartments. The issue is getting decent sound insulation.

It's depressing driving through the country and seeing miles of one off housing up every hill and road.

Property Market 2020

Comments