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Ireland- Minimumwage Land

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  • #62
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,259 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    The cost of living in Ireland is astronomical, rent, car Insurance, bin collection, broadband, electricity, food, the list goes on and on

    Nobody seems to make the connection between the 200+ billion debt and counting and the insane cost of everything here

    And obviously very few people are willing to make the connection between the astronomical cost of housing and rent and mass immigration

    The cost of housing is by far the worst. Food here is pretty cheap compared to the rest of North Europe. Insurance is another clincher, but most other costs are relatively normal.


  • #63
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Yes, if you leave school at 16 to get a minimum wage job, (the only one available) to support the family where do you suggest they go from there? Take 3 years off to go to college full time? Who will contribute to food and rent?

    How many 16 year olds leaving school have a family to support? Not many I’d bet.


  • #64
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
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    The government.

    No council estate family are living soley off a single minimum wage income.

    I said support the family not necessarily sole bread winner.
    Many in private rentals are too by the way.

    It's not so straightforward. What quality of credential will take on a junior cert level student?
    The government will pay fees, books, maybe accommodation and ensure the same money goes to the household as did prior to attending college?


  • #65
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Such a structural change would be made redundant by the solution though. If min wage workers had easy access to plentiful social housing, then what would be the point of them getting a mortgage?

    I think structurally, economies can't function that way, not everyone can afford to actually own a home, for them housing should be still easily accessible through the local authority. I don't think any country has a set up where the bottom 7% of earners buy their own homes. The country would have to strike oil, and import a large amount of slave labour to make that work.

    Its a balance. Supply enough to cool the market so workers can afford to buy privately. Change the criteria of eligibility for social housing as needs change.


  • #66
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    amcalester wrote: »
    How many 16 year olds leaving school have a family to support? Not many I’d bet.

    Most all of them? I'm not talking sole bread winner. Help or contribute like I said.


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  • #67
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,407 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Most all of them? I'm not talking sole bread winner. Help or contribute like I said.


    It's not the 1950's.


  • #68
    D3V!L
    Registered Users Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭D3V!L


    Sorry I'm going to be flamed for this but why would anyone think that they're entitled to get more than the bare minimum for an unskilled job !!

    Of course you can't afford a house, car and the luxury of daily trappings. That's not what it's meant for.


  • #69
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    D3V!L wrote: »
    Sorry I'm going to be flamed for this but why would anyone think that they're entitled to get more than the bare minimum for an unskilled job !!

    Of course you can't afford a house, car and the luxury of daily trappings. That's not what it's meant for.

    Hardly much point in expecting people.to work a job,if you cant have a reasonable lifestyle off it??



    Whats point of that kind of job that deosnt pay enough to live off...you'd be better off on the dole in many cases


  • #70
    InTheShadows
    Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭InTheShadows


    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    The cost of living in Ireland is astronomical, rent, car Insurance, bin collection, broadband, electricity, food, the list goes on and on

    Nobody seems to make the connection between the 200+ billion debt and counting and the insane cost of everything here

    And obviously very few people are willing to make the connection between the astronomical cost of housing and rent and mass immigration

    It's the interest on the debt, 7 billion a year and yet you'll struggle to hear it discussed on any main stream media outlet yet people get all worked up over a few people refusing council housing. It's almost like there is an agenda......


  • #71
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Most all of them? I'm not talking sole bread winner. Help or contribute like I said.

    I’m not sure I’d believe that, 72% of early school leavers are either unemployed or inactive.


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  • #72
    InTheShadows
    Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭InTheShadows


    D3V!L wrote: »
    Sorry I'm going to be flamed for this but why would anyone think that they're entitled to get more than the bare minimum for an unskilled job !!

    Of course you can't afford a house, car and the luxury of daily trappings. That's not what it's meant for.

    Of course it's not for that. Most nations provide social housing for people like that yet the government here has somehow brainwashed people into thinking citizens applying for social housing are scum or should live in Longford and commute to Dublin to pack their shelves or empty their bins everyday.

    The simple fact is if we want minimum wage workers we had better expect them to live among us and earn enough to put food on the table otherwise they will just end up claiming welfare and doing themselves or society no favours.


  • #73
    Harvey Weinstein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Harvey Weinstein


    InTheShadows wrote: »
    It's the interest on the debt, 7 billion a year and yet you'll struggle to hear it discussed on any main stream media outlet yet people get all worked up over a few people refusing council housing. It's almost like there is an agenda......

    On his tv show Matt Cooper said the national debt was 'ancient history' so I guess we've nothing to worry about then


  • #74
    BeerWolf
    Registered Users Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    I know of a Polish fella that has "free" lodging at a riding school, but earns €65 a week working as a stable hand.

    Slave labour. Surely criminal, don't understand why he works for them...


  • #75
    InTheShadows
    Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭InTheShadows


    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    On his tv show Matt Cooper said the national debt was 'ancient history' so I guess we've nothing to worry about then

    Good example and he's not the only one tbh. How many hours have been devoted in the media to the national children's hospital debacle yet we could build seven of them a year with the interest alone.


  • #76
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    kneemos wrote: »
    It's not the 1950's.

    That's true we've more children homeless today.


  • #77
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    amcalester wrote: »
    I’m not sure I’d believe that, 72% of early school leavers are either unemployed or inactive.

    The ones working minimum wage would be, y'know, working. The comment was they should shoot for better.


  • #78
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    The ones working minimum wage would be, y'know, working. The comment was they should shoot for better.

    Honestly not sure if you’re agreeing or disagreeing with me.

    I originally said that we should be teaching our kids to aim higher than minimum wage jobs.

    You then later said that most 16 year olds leaving school do so to support their families, Ive shown that this is not the case.


  • #79
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    Boxing.Fan wrote: »
    Race to the bottom. People coming to Ireland willing to work for peanuts and share apartments with 10 people. An employers wet dream.


    Yep.

    The amazing thing though is that Ireland, and other Western countries with similar problems, have managed to convince the world that we are the model that needs to be followed, that we are the lands of justice and fairness as opposed to the rest of the world.

    The corporate capitalists have well and truly broken all our sense and spirit, turned us into obedient slaves that do not see what's going on.


  • #80
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    amcalester wrote: »
    Honestly not sure if you’re agreeing or disagreeing with me.

    I originally said that we should be teaching our kids to aim higher than minimum wage jobs.

    You then later said that most 16 year olds leaving school do so to support their families, Ive shown that this is not the case.

    Neither on your last point.
    No you've not. You've given stats on how many aren't working. They wouldn't be on minimum wage unwilling or incapable of aiming higher.


  • #81
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    So many people earning around the minimum wage is bad for the wider economy as they have no spending power in shops , restaurants etc ....
    Twenty years ago most people earned a reasonable wage that meant they could buy most items they needed and eat out occasionally... now they are scavenging in Lidl or Iceland to survive


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  • #82
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Hardly much point in expecting people.to work a job,if you cant have a reasonable lifestyle off it??



    Whats point of that kind of job that deosnt pay enough to live off...you'd be better off on the dole in many cases

    Travellers have Sussed this years ago ... forget working and have a large family .... and get the skilled and unskilled workers tax to pay for it !!


  • #83
    Allinall
    Registered Users Posts: 6,524 ✭✭✭Allinall


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    So many people earning around the minimum wage is bad for the wider economy as they have no spending power in shops , restaurants etc ....
    Twenty years ago most people earned a reasonable wage that meant they could buy most items they needed and eat out occasionally... now they are scavenging in Lidl or Iceland to survive

    Think you’re looking back 20 years with rose tinted glasses.


  • #84
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Neither on your last point.
    No you've not. You've given stats on how many aren't working. They wouldn't be on minimum wage unwilling or incapable of aiming higher.

    I’m still no closer to understanding what you’re saying.


  • #85
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,407 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    So many people earning around the minimum wage is bad for the wider economy as they have no spending power in shops , restaurants etc ....
    Twenty years ago most people earned a reasonable wage that meant they could buy most items they needed and eat out occasionally... now they are scavenging in Lidl or Iceland to survive

    Very few earn the minimum wage.


  • #86
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    kneemos wrote: »
    Very few earn the minimum wage.

    Many earn close to it !... go into any restaurant , hotel , factory , office outside of Dublin ..


  • #87
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    kneemos wrote: »
    Very few earn the minimum wage.

    I think its like 55% population earn under 28K

    Low wages,crap conditions and poor job security are hallmark of irish economy for large tracts of people under 30....theres a huge age divide,


  • #88
    LirW
    Registered Users Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭LirW


    It's also worrying how many skilled professions are paid just over minimum wage. We all want our kids scared for by skilled staff for example but can't find enough staff because the pay is a joke. Same with carers for the elderly. Or the lads that cook your nice meal out on Friday evening.
    You want to become a social care worker? Have fun job-sharing for lousy pay.


  • #89
    Elemonator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭Elemonator


    I have just moved on from the minimum wage days myself. Between travel, working and lunch I was lucky if I could anything. Working a 30 hour week with the travel being 2 hours a day and still only coming out €1200 or so was really quite beyond a joke. How anyone lives on it I do not know.


  • #90
    Allinall
    Registered Users Posts: 6,524 ✭✭✭Allinall


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    So many people earning around the minimum wage is bad for the wider economy as they have no spending power in shops , restaurants etc ....
    Twenty years ago most people earned a reasonable wage that meant they could buy most items they needed and eat out occasionally... now they are scavenging in Lidl or Iceland to survive
    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Many earn close to it !... go into any restaurant , hotel , factory , office outside of Dublin ..

    Your posts are all mixed up.

    There will always have to be minimum wage jobs to keep these businesses viable.


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  • #91
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,904 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    cgcsb wrote: »
    The government ran a budget surplus of €100m in 2018, that could be about 1,000 social housing units. New social homes delivered in 4 years: -1,300

    https://www.dublininquirer.com/2019/03/20/council-owns-1-300-fewer-social-homes-than-four-years-ago

    I think most people would be very happy for the state to build new homes out of it's existing wealth or through borrowing.

    If people want it, and it's a vote winner and it's the right thing to do for the country then why don't they do it?

    I suspect it's because politicians are beholden to old people who vote most reliably. And old people don't have a clue about the hardships faced by young people in terms of job security, wage growth vs cost of buying a house or having a family.

    I suspect that if a politician actually p dry opposed a massive programme of house building, on the scale that's needed to actually fix the problem, they would be branded loony left.


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