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Election 2020 - Carlow/Kilkenny. See Mod Note in post 1

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    fits wrote: »
    I’m looking at one of the progressive parties. I think ff/fg need reining in a bit.

    Agreed but who would you pick out of that bunch above as progressive? At the end of the day, stable government is best for most of us unless you're looking to stir it up on the streets. And that means voting FF or FG, but it's a pretty dismal choice - several seem to have been around for years - the likes of McGuinness & Aylward in particular. I always get the impression looking down the CK ballot paper of a column of grey suits, usually men but at least there might be 4 or 5 women this time, although they all have slim chances.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,175 ✭✭✭✭fits


    The progressive parties are labour, social democrats and greens. SF to an extent as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,175 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Yep, I have spoken to him a couple of times, it reinforced my view.

    Ah ok then. I just sat beside him at a social occasion and I found him very astute.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭Fakediamond


    Having attended a Carlow funeral recently, I’ve decided that my own death notice will read “no flowers, no politicians please”. I’d really prefer that they did the job I elected them for, rather than turn up at funerals. I mean, how much time can they actually spend addressing issues of concern to the voters when they spend so much time socialising with said voters. It really annoys me!

    I don’t pay my taxes to see them hanging around every funeral, sick bed, opening of a new take-away etc. I’d prefer if they cracked on with fighting for resources both locally and nationally such as better medical care, housing, jobs, and generally making our country a better place to live in! End result could be a better quality of life for us and them.

    Rant over....


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭Nokia6230i


    Cllr. Noonan (Green Party) is having the Carlow side of his constituency campaign launch in Seven Oaks next Wednesday the 22nd of January @ 7pm > https://www.facebook.com/votemalcolmnoonan1/photos/a.458101344365719/1492550627587447/?type=3&theater


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,369 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Nokia6230i wrote: »
    Cllr. Noonan (Green Party) is having the Carlow side of his constituency campaign launch in Seven Oaks next Wednesday the 22nd of January @ 7pm > https://www.facebook.com/votemalcolmnoonan1/photos/a.458101344365719/1492550627587447/?type=3&theater

    Riveting stuff. Will they be peddling there or blown in via wind energy?


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,369 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Thats actually also been reported elsewhere, a story about Tusla refusing to recruit a staff member for it and wanting them based in Kilkenny so there is some issue there.

    Think it’s based with the Amber refuge covering Carlow. Saw an as on the Kk people this week. Unfortunately hard to get Duplicate govt services in both as they are so close to eachother


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,369 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I see JenJen is in a social media spat with the Carlow women’s refuge campaign (one of Wallace’s pet causes of course). Accusing them of doctoring comments she made that have been screenshot. Quite an accusation to make if not true ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,369 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Delighted SF lost so many local cllrs, they were living in a fools paradise there for a few years. As they proved how useless they were once in. Funchion should struggle big time as a result both in Carlow and Kilkenny. Was a very poor reflection on her as a “politician” that she couldn’t help maintain council seats locally. I find her appallingly poor, desperate grammar and extremely low grasp of anything remotely complicated. Her go to script is childcare and the many problems there (just don’t expect solutions!).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    fits wrote: »
    The progressive parties are labour, social democrats and greens. SF to an extent as well.

    Progressive? Dunno - from a rural dwellers POV, the Greens want to make our daily cost of living far higher. They wish to foist giant industrial wind machines on the landscape, having opposed the scars of mining (that's how Mary White got elected). Is that progress?

    The Social Democrats are a party of two TDs, their other TD defected to FF.. Quite possible they won't have any seats in a month. Split of Labour.

    Sinn Féin - FF/FG on green steroids, nationalism with a left wing veneer.

    Labour - the oldest party, middle of the road. Hard to identify exactly how they'd run the state as they've never had a majority. I suppose given they're likely to be still around and similar to the SDs, they're the most votable of that lot?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    road_high wrote: »
    Funchion should struggle big time as a result both in Carlow and Kilkenny. Was a very poor reflection on her as a “politician” that she couldn’t help maintain council seats locally. I find her appallingly poor, desperate grammar and extremely low grasp of anything remotely complicated. Her go to script is childcare and the many problems there (just don’t expect solutions!).

    I've heard very little of her since the last election, does she do anything? Waste of a vote. Could say the same for Aylward and probably Deering too.

    McGuinness is a me féiner, a showman that likes to raise his profile at any opportunity even by going against the party leadership when it suits. But he has a public presence and to some extent I think Phelan does too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,369 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    I've heard very little of her since the last election, does she do anything? Waste of a vote. Could say the same for Aylward and probably Deering too.

    McGuinness is a me féiner, a showman that likes to raise his profile at any opportunity even by going against the party leadership when it suits. But he has a public presence and to some extent I think Phelan does too.

    Yes one worse than the next but she’s the pits. McGuinness is an attention seeking clown - any populist topic he’ll be on it. Nothing progressive to offer sadly


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,175 ✭✭✭✭fits


    road_high wrote: »
    Yes one worse than the next but she’s the pits. McGuinness is an attention seeking clown - any populist topic he’ll be on it. Nothing progressive to offer sadly

    I have zero time for mcguinness. He’d love to go further down the populist road.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭SligoBrewer


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Progressive? Dunno - from a rural dwellers POV, the Greens want to make our daily cost of living far higher. They wish to foist giant industrial wind machines on the landscape, having opposed the scars of mining (that's how Mary White got elected). Is that progress?

    Planet's dying Barry. Not sure if you're aware.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,369 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Planet's dying Barry. Not sure if you're aware.

    And slapping taxes on everything is going to change that is it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 177 ✭✭ScallionAyter


    Planet's dying Barry. Not sure if you're aware.

    I hope this is sarcasm.

    2012 was a hollywood apocalypse B-movie, not a documentary.

    How many times have fringe lunatics predicted the end of the earth? Greens are no different.

    Green policies negatively impact the poorest of society. First sniff of a post-Brexit recession and they'll be consigned to the eco-friendly compost heap, where they belong.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,369 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I hope this is sarcasm.

    2012 was a hollywood apocalypse B-movie, not a documentary.

    How many times have fringe lunatics predicted the end of the earth? Greens are no different.

    Green policies negatively impact the poorest of society. First sniff of a post-Brexit recession and they'll be consigned to the eco-friendly compost heap, where they belong.

    Absolutely- poor people always bare the brunt of eco mania- carbon taxes being the prime example. Not many on a State pension or min wage can afford an electric car - the tax breaks benefit the well off in the main. Same with domestic fuel and heating. Irish greens are an elite centred on south Dublin Talking down to the rest of us.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 177 ✭✭ScallionAyter


    road_high wrote: »
    Absolutely- poor people always bare the brunt of eco mania- carbon taxes being the prime example. Not many on a State pension or min wage can afford an electric car - the tax breaks benefit the well off in the main. Same with domestic fuel and heating. Irish greens are an elite centred on south Dublin Talking down to the rest of us.

    I remember how thoughtful and virtuous they thought they were, when they banned those horrid bedsits. Typical arrogant and patronizing Greens, thinking they could just ban something they looked down on and wanted wiped off the face of the earth. It was a disastrous policy for single people on low incomes. it was a disaster for the landlords who had to evict their tenants and sell up, or retrofit each flat with a separate bathroom and heating system. It also meant those people had to move out to the suburbs and get dirty diesel buses back into the city.

    Minimum size apartments. A-rated homes. Carbon taxes. Height restrictions on apartment blocks. All of this sh*te adds tens of thousands to the price of a starter home for a working person. Many low income workers are now priced out of cities, pushed out to commuter counties, or stuck renting into their thirties, and the councils can't afford to build these A-rated houses in bulk either. So now we have a lucky few in A rated homes, and many other poor people stuck on housing lists, all because building a brand new C or D rated social house is literally killing the planet

    The Greens, and their fans in FG/FF are destroying social mobility, by destroying affordability.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 345 ✭✭Tea Shock



    2012 was a hollywood apocalypse B-movie, not a documentary.

    How many times have fringe lunatics predicted the end of the earth? Greens are no different.

    So because a Hollywood apocalypse B-movie which wasn't a documentary predicted the end of the world in 2012, you're going to ignore all the productions about climate change and its effects that are documentaries and label 97% of scientists in the field as fringe lunatics? :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 177 ✭✭ScallionAyter


    Tea Shock wrote: »
    So because a Hollywood apocalypse B-movie which wasn't a documentary predicted the end of the world in 2012, you're going to ignore all the productions about climate change and its effects that are documentaries and label 97% of scientists in the field as fringe lunatics? :eek:

    97% of scientists said the planet is dying? Give me a break :rolleyes:

    If it wasn't for global warming, Ireland would still be under 1km of ice.

    The only thing dying is the lower middle class. Taxed out of existence.

    If we took the Greens economic philosophy and applied it to phone ownership, we'd all have to buy the latest iPhones. Cheaper models would be banned, and those who already own a cheap phone would have their tariffs increased to subsidize the purchase of iPhones.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    I remember how thoughtful and virtuous they thought they were, when they banned those horrid bedsits. Typical arrogant and patronizing Greens, thinking they could just ban something they looked down on and wanted wiped off the face of the earth. It was a disastrous policy for single people on low incomes. it was a disaster for the landlords who had to evict their tenants and sell up, or retrofit each flat with a separate bathroom and heating system. It also meant those people had to move out to the suburbs and get dirty diesel buses back into the city.

    Minimum size apartments. A-rated homes. Carbon taxes. Height restrictions on apartment blocks. All of this sh*te adds tens of thousands to the price of a starter home for a working person. Many low income workers are now priced out of cities, pushed out to commuter counties, or stuck renting into their thirties, and the councils can't afford to build these A-rated houses in bulk either. So now we have a lucky few in A rated homes, and many other poor people stuck on housing lists, all because building a brand new C or D rated social house is literally killing the planet

    The Greens, and their fans in FG/FF are destroying social mobility, by destroying affordability.

    That was a bad mistake and typical of politicians we have: who bring in new legislation without making provision for all the knock on effects. And that was a Green policy - they crowed about it.

    The pension situation is another current example, people who've worked most/all their lives obliged to retire at 65 and then subjected to the insult of having to sign on the dole for a year or two to bridge the gap to the state pension. That a government could actually implement such a scheme without realising the disgust of the working public, goes some way to showing how out of touch politicians can get.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 345 ✭✭Tea Shock


    97% of scientists said the planet is dying? Give me a break :rolleyes:

    If it wasn't for global warming, Ireland would still be under 1km of ice.

    The only thing dying is the lower middle class. Taxed out of existence.

    If we took the Greens economic philosophy and applied it to phone ownership, we'd all have to buy the latest iPhones. Cheaper models would be banned, and those who already own a cheap phone would have their tariffs increased to subsidize the purchase of iPhones.

    OK, we're playing the game where we pretend it's new information that when we were moving out of the ice age, temperatures were rising by around 0.01 degrees Celsius per decade....and it's now 7 times that :rolleyes: .


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭SligoBrewer


    road_high wrote: »
    And slapping taxes on everything is going to change that is it?

    To stop us from buying SUVs would be a start.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,369 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    To stop us from buying SUVs would be a start.

    SUVs more popular than ever new- there in lies the failure of the "green" argument. All taxes do is hit older, higher emission cars (that poorer people can afford) as the new ones tend to be low emmissions. Not to mention all the costs of proeducing that new car. The Greens are in cloud cuckoo land.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 177 ✭✭ScallionAyter


    Tea Shock wrote: »
    OK, we're playing the game where we pretend it's new information that when we were moving out of the ice age, temperatures were rising by around 0.01 degrees Celsius per decade....and it's now 7 times that :rolleyes: .

    Has the world's population remained static since temperature records began? No. It has exploded.

    Funny that the Greens...or should I call them the Reds, won't talk about over population in the third world.

    It's not politically correct to do so. We're only allowed to hammer our own poor people. Until you're willing to address that particular elephant in the room, banning turf cutting etc won't make a blind bit of difference to climate change.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 345 ✭✭Tea Shock


    Has the world's population remained static since temperature records began? No. It has exploded.

    Funny that the Greens...or should I call them the Reds, won't talk about over population in the third world.

    It's not politically correct to do so. We're only allowed to hammer our own poor people. Until you're willing to address that particular elephant in the room, banning turf cutting etc won't make a blind bit of difference to climate change.

    I genuinely have no idea why you think the population of other countries could be or should be an issue in Irish General Election campaigning!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭madmaggie


    We did have a Carlow based Green Party minister of state years ago. Can anyone name one benefit she brought to Carlow town or county?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭Nokia6230i


    Sen. Murnanes posters in Co. Wicklow; do her team not know the constituency boundaries've been redrawn or ????

    https://kclr96fm.com/confusion-as-carlow-kilkenny-election-candidates-posters-appear-in-wicklow/


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,369 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Nokia6230i wrote: »
    Sen. Murnanes posters in Co. Wicklow; do her team not know the constituency boundaries've been redrawn or ????

    https://kclr96fm.com/confusion-as-carlow-kilkenny-election-candidates-posters-appear-in-wicklow/

    Jesus how thick are they? Ballyconnell has always been in Co Wicklow ffs. The postal adress might be Carlow (just like Rath, Clonegal etc) but they are firmly in Co Wicklow. Incredibly dumb but good to see shes wasting money on places that can't vote for her.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,369 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Tea Shock wrote: »
    I genuinely have no idea why you think the population of other countries could be or should be an issue in Irish General Election campaigning!

    The clue is in the name- Global warming. No point just looking at a tiny population like Ireland in isolation, unless the big players reduce their massive emissions nothing changes.


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