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Shane Ross' new speeding penalties

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,832 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    even the minimum penalty is higher than it is already which given how long the points stay on your license could see many off the road very quickly.

    I assume the higher point number for each speed bracket is the court penalty. If so, the > 10km/h penalty mentioned by RTE is the same as the current speeding penalty: 3 points and an €80 fine or 5 points if you go to court.

    The Irish Times is reporting that the penalty for >10km/h would be 2 points, not 3:
    Anyone caught 10 kilometres per hour over the speed limit would receive two penalty points and an €80 fine; anyone 20 kilometres over would get four points and a €150 fine; and those 30 kilometres over would get six points and a €200 fine.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/drivers-face-penalty-points-80-fine-if-stopped-without-licence-1.3726822


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,832 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    cdaly_ wrote: »
    Agreed. They're far too low. Don't forget you're driving a lethal weapon and damage done increases as the square of speed so 40 in a 30 will do 1.8 times the damage. 50 in a 30 will do 2.8 times the damage.

    What's the SI Unit for damage? I've never heard of one, but if you can do this calculation as you claim, there has to be a standard unit of of measurement for damage that applies to all objects, irrespective of composition or design. Otherwise, it's a totally meaningless statement.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭BronsonTB


    highdef wrote: »
    I've never heard of a hidden speed trap before although I can't say they don't exist as it's possible I just haven't seen them!

    There are some places where the Gaurds are not in plain sight i.e. Are hidden to the eye. These are rare but they do exist. Real example on the N5 at the Charlestown bypass. They sit behind a wooden fence out of sight to passing traffic. if you never go above the speed limit you would never come across them.

    Back on Topic.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭Lord Nikon


    Tzardine wrote: »
    I think it is a great idea. Hits those that drive the most recklessly.

    If you really want to see serious penalties for speeding look at the Swiss model. They will take a fixed percentage of you annual income for the worst speeding offences. One lad got a fine of about 700,000., well he was going 170kmh over the limit.

    The way they tier the offences and the penalties is actually quite fair IMO. Small penalty for minor speeding that scales pretty quickly with greater speed. I have driven quite a bit over there and people do not speed as a result.

    https://www.ch.ch/en/driving-over-speed-limit/

    Can you tell me what the fine would be for someone who pays no tax, ie. Social welfare recipients?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 47,995 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    phutyle wrote: »
    What's the SI Unit for damage? I've never heard of one, but if you can do this calculation as you claim, there has to be a standard unit of of measurement for damage that applies to all objects, irrespective of composition or design. Otherwise, it's a totally meaningless statement.
    i assume it refers to kinetic energy, which is the reason why damage and speed don't share a linear relationship.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭ectoraige


    Thestones wrote: »
    If speed cameras were set up in genuine accident black spots then yes but this country is notorious for putting in speed traps in ridiculous places just for the purpose of 'catching' you and making money 'not' to reduce to accidents. Speed traps are against an EU directive but we only follow the EU when it suits us. In Australia the purpose of speed cameras is to make you slow down in dangerous areas not to catch to make money, they warn you 3 or 4 times speed camera ahead so if you get caught you absolutely deserve it unlike the cloak and dagger shenanigans we do here.


    The revenue from fines are only about a quarter of the cost of the GoSafe contract. It is NOT a money-earning exercise.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 47,995 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the idea that motorists should be warned of a speed camera ahead is so farcical i'm amazed grown adults can propose it with a straight face.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭highdef


    Andrewf20 wrote: »
    Dunboyne bypass is 60km/h despite nothing of any danger on it. .

    When did this change from being an 80? I was on the bypass recently and it was 80. July 2018 Streetview: https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4147712,-6.4906863,3a,75y,338.15h,71.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sljTONtsr7QSQDSJJCbr1gw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 13,408 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    The whole 10% Speedo discrepancy can be dangerous though. Wrong inflated tyres can knock this calibration out by a few Kms. Incorrect wheel size (which I know is different but if a second hand car you may not know the correct size). Older cars aren't as precise (one of mine the Speedo says 50mph but I'm actually going about 56!).

    A downhill on the road can make you move a few Kms quicker. The thickness of the Speedo needle can be a few Kms! As has been said, we will drive around only looking at the Speedo incase we go a few Kms over.


  • Registered Users Posts: 36,161 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    The driver is responsible for the roadworthiness of his/her vehicle. If you're unhappy about your speedos accuracy get it checked. A 10Hz lap timer will give you a very quick indication.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Melodeon wrote: »
    The simplistic 10Km/h over, 20Km/h over, etc, increments are disproportionate in my opinion.
    50Km/h in a 40Km/h zone is a more egregious transgression than 130Km/h in a 120Km/h zone, again in my opinion.

    A percentage based scale would be more acceptable, I think: 10% over, 20% over, etc, perhaps.


    I'd agree with this.


    Although would it be difficult to implement at low speeds? 30km/h limits for example?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭cdaly_


    phutyle wrote: »
    What's the SI Unit for damage? I've never heard of one, but if you can do this calculation as you claim, there has to be a standard unit of of measurement for damage that applies to all objects, irrespective of composition or design. Otherwise, it's a totally meaningless statement.

    Kinetic energy E = 1/2mv^2

    Energy = 1/2 * mass * velocity squared


  • Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭TCM


    Why don't we have 3 or make it 5 penalty points ascribed to all drivers on 1st Jan each year and a fine of say €200. That should keep Dick Ross happy.
    As for getting penalty points for not having your licence with you at all times is utter fascist carry on. I leave my licence in my car most of the time. Occasionally I drive my wife's or my daughter's car. So if i forget to have my licence I'll possibly get penalty points. CRAZY stuff. Penalty points for forgetfulness.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭cdaly_


    antodeco wrote: »
    As has been said, we will drive around only looking at the Speedo incase we go a few Kms over.
    And your engine will blow up from trying to go that slow. Wasn't that one of the excuses for complaining about 30kph speed limits?


  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Farfromhome02


    I say 10 points for driving under the limit ,
    Stuck behind some arsehole doing 25/30kph in a 60/50 zone for 10 mins yesterday.
    Breaking all the way up to green lights

    100%
    Their just as bad


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 47,995 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    antodeco wrote: »
    The whole 10% Speedo discrepancy can be dangerous though. Wrong inflated tyres can knock this calibration out by a few Kms. Incorrect wheel size...
    isn't that one of the very reasons a speedo will overstate your speed? so wrong sized wheels won't immediately understate it, etc.?


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,187 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    I'm sorry, penalty points for not having your licence on you is an absolute farce. Everyone here has forgotten their licence at one time or another.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 13,408 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    cdaly_ wrote: »
    And your engine will blow up from trying to go that slow. Wasn't that one of the excuses for complaining about 30kph speed limits?

    I've no problem driving around that slow. The issue i have is if penalties are set TOO low it may cause a ripple effect from people not paying attention. I have a fear of people driving off the motorway (where's it's 100/120) to the first sign that says 60/80 and then a few metres up 30 and just slam on the breaks, for fear of the "hidden speed trap". Speed traps have bad names because people think they are being sneaky and not valid. I'd be happy for cameras every 500 metres because psychologically you know it is about speed and not revenue.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 47,995 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    TCM wrote: »
    Why don't we have 3 or make it 5 penalty points ascribed to all drivers on 1st Jan each year and a fine of say €200. That should keep Dick Ross happy.
    As for getting penalty points for not having your licence with you at all times is utter fascist carry on. I leave my licence in my car most of the time. Occasionally I drive my wife's or my daughter's car. So if i forget to have my licence I'll possibly get penalty points. CRAZY stuff. Penalty points for forgetfulness.
    i'd agree to a certain extent, with a but; if you're stopped by a garda at present, and are asked to produce your licence and don't have it, what is the garda supposed to do?
    the garda has no proof you're qualified and licenced to drive a car, but has to wave someone off who may or may not have a licence.

    why don't you leave your licence in your wallet?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 47,995 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    anyway, my own little pet idea on how to reduce speeding. if you get caught speeding, forget the two penalty points. make it so that the driver has to surrender the car for two days instead, within 48 hours of receiving the notice.
    if it's a five penalty point offence, five days. do this for all motoring offences.


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  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 13,408 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    i'd agree to a certain extent, with a but; if you're stopped by a garda at present, and are asked to produce your licence and don't have it, what is the garda supposed to do?
    the garda has no proof you're qualified and licenced to drive a car, but has to wave someone off who may or may not have a licence.

    why don't you leave your licence in your wallet?

    I great idea would be attached DL numbers to the new PPS cards. You can book with NDLS using the PPS card. Garda asks for your PPS, up pops your details and your photo. If we fix some of our backend systems it would make everyone's life easier.

    I do keep my licence in my wallet, but there's been times I've just forgotten to bring my wallet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭vonlars


    Ross is a fcuking joke.

    I'm 21, can barely afford the extortionate insurance costs, can hardly drive up my road with the absolute state of it and there's no public transport at all within any distance of my house that I could get to without driving to it.

    Far more pressing issues out there but no, let's deal with the one that's a non issue so we can make changes and get our name in headlines. Good man Shane.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,989 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    seamie78 wrote: »
    does anybody know does shane ross drive

    Don't think he does. Seem to remember stuff about him cycling or getting buses back into Stepaside.
    He drives a brown Volvo SUV. He got the 44 bus once and tried to make a virtue of it.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 13,408 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    anyway, my own little pet idea on how to reduce speeding. if you get caught speeding, forget the two penalty points. make it so that the driver has to surrender the car for two days instead, within 48 hours of receiving the notice.
    if it's a five penalty point offence, five days. do this for all motoring offences.

    Change it to weeks instead of days would be more impactful I think! The only problem is, they may have another car and just continue driving knowing the chance of being stopped at a checkpoint is very low.


  • Registered Users Posts: 593 ✭✭✭cavemeister


    I feel sorry for drivers not familiar with the M4. heading east, it goes from 120km/hr to 80km/hr as it becomes the N4 in the space of about 200 meters. A flash for cash van will make a killing at the section of road.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    Just when you think Shane Ross can't be any more of an insufferable pain in the bollix you read this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭cdaly_


    antodeco wrote: »
    I've no problem driving around that slow. The issue i have is if penalties are set TOO low it may cause a ripple effect from people not paying attention. I have a fear of people driving off the motorway (where's it's 100/120) to the first sign that says 60/80 and then a few metres up 30 and just slam on the breaks, for fear of the "hidden speed trap". Speed traps have bad names because people think they are being sneaky and not valid. I'd be happy for cameras every 500 metres because psychologically you know it is about speed and not revenue.

    You get people, already driving below the limit, slamming on the brakes just 'cos there's a speed van in the shoulder. It's because they're not paying attention in the first place. You can very easily anticipate the speed limits yourself and allow those in front of you plenty of room to slam on due to their inattention. If their slamming on is causing you problems, you're probably too close to them in the first place...
    antodeco wrote: »
    if penalties are set TOO low
    The penalties are set no lower by this than they already are. There are just higher penalties for greater exceedence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭novarock


    I feel sorry for drivers not familiar with the M4. heading east, it goes from 120km/hr to 80km/hr as it becomes the N4 in the space of about 200 meters. A flash for cash van will make a killing at the section of road.

    I live near this junction - It has a motorway ending sign 1km and 500M out, and slows from 120 to 80 at a reasonable bend where another lane is introduced with traffic merging at 60kmh


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭lab man


    highdef wrote:
    I keep mine in licence holder on the the sun visor. No chance of forgetting it.


    What if u have a car a van and 3 tractors fsir stupid idea


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  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Farfromhome02


    We as a nation are a pack of suppressed sheep
    10 years of getting stuffed like a turkey
    No end in site
    Everything you read would drive you into a spiral of negativity and depression


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