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  • #52
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    I think the relavent word is 'wants'. Is there an onus on the LL to respond?

    I would imagine the landlord 'wants' to not be held liable for his tenants water charges. If that's the case, the landlord and IWs wants appear to be aligned.
    listermint wrote: »
    None of this corroborated with current data protection legislation and its amendments since 2008.

    And its not like IW to get it all completely wrong exactly the misinformation they were giving out last year.

    Id love someone to explain to me how handing over personal information that is not yours to a private utility without that persons explicit consent be it by lease or contract mirrors what is contained in legislation. Unless of course it has been modified recently? Was there some late night Dail sessions I missed honestly looks like they are hanging landlords out to dry.

    Id be very careful about this. IW don't care an ounce.

    Regardless of the IW position, I've no reason to disbelieve an email from the ODPC unless you have more recent contradictory information from the ODPC.


  • #53
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Graham wrote: »
    I would imagine the landlord 'wants' to not be held liable for his tenants water charges. If that's the case, the landlord and IWs wants appear to be aligned.
    Read the thread. The LL cannot be held liable to his tenants water charges. The same as any utility bill.


  • #54
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Read the thread. The LL cannot be held liable to his tenants water charges. The same as any utility bill.

    True, all the landlord needs to do is prove he is not 'the occupier'. However you like to dress it up, the easiest way to do this appears to be the provision of the tenants name to IW.


  • #55
    garhjw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭garhjw


    listermint wrote: »
    None of this corroborated with current data protection legislation and its amendments since 2008.

    And its not like IW to get it all completely wrong exactly the misinformation they were giving out last year.

    Id love someone to explain to me how handing over personal information that is not yours to a private utility without that persons explicit consent be it by lease or contract mirrors what is contained in legislation. Unless of course it has been modified recently? Was there some late night Dail sessions I missed honestly looks like they are hanging landlords out to dry.

    Id be very careful about this. IW don't care an ounce.


    Just to give some clarification on this I have read the 1998 -2003 act and its amendments through and unless i am missing a section there isnt anything there to allow a private individual to hand over another private individuals Name and Address to another private entity, IW are not covered under the legislation under entities payable to the state equally as the ESB would not be.

    Even their topical questions section and i can imagine this has been a very topical question over the last year doesnt have an ounce to say on the matter

    right here for anyone who wishes to view

    http://www.dataprotection.ie/viewdoc.asp?m=&fn=/documents/FAQ2012/Topical_Data_Proctection_Issues.htm

    It just looks as if everyone is hoping it wont pop up or no one challenges it in court, sure they can say they gave no explicit direction on it either way.

    You would have to cover it explicitly in your lease and thats the be all and end all of it.

    How do you explain the mail I received from the ODPC? They know more about this sort of thing than you do.

    Are they lying to us?

    Seriously, just put your hands up and admit when you are either wrong or lying.


  • #56
    The_Morrigan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,368 ✭✭✭The_Morrigan


    garhjw wrote: »
    How do you explain the mail I received from the ODPC? They know more about this sort of thing than you do.

    Are they lying to us?

    Seriously, just put your hands up and admit when you are either wrong or lying.

    Will you stop accusing posters of being liars. You already have sanctions against you in this thread.

    /Mod.


  • #57
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    What a total and utter shambles this whole IW thing is. It seems that IW will NOT be allowed to cut off water to non-payers (according to that IT article) and that IW will instead seek to get a charge added to a property....BUT if a property is rented, the owner is not liable, so effectively IW will have absolutely no sanction which it can apply in the case of non-paying tenant customers. Only in Ireland.


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