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Could not get oil filer off and dented it. OK to drive?

  • 16-06-2019 6:04pm
    #1
    MrCostington
    Registered Users Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭


    Further on from my other thread of yesterday, I just got the oil done today (managed to lock myself out of car yesterday!!!)

    So I drained the oil and fitted a replacement oil level sensor, But, I just could not get the filter off, think my wrench is for a bigger dia filter.

    Put a few small dents in it about mid way along the length. Pretty sure no punctures. Decided to give up or risk damaging it further and having my car stuck with no oil in it/

    So apart from having done an oil change and not changing the filter, will the dents block oil flow?

    I let it run for a bit no sign of a leak.

    Audi A4 1.6 petrol, '02.
    Thanks!


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  • #2
    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,473 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Probably no problem but who knows how close to rupture it is ?

    I’d be getting it changed sooner rather than later.


  • #3
    MrCostington
    Registered Users Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭MrCostington


    Yes I think I'll get another wrench and try again later in the summer


  • #4
    Boxcar_Willie
    Registered Users Posts: 425 ✭✭Boxcar_Willie


    Drive a large screwdriver into the filter and turn it anti-clockwise to remove.


  • #5
    jippo nolan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭jippo nolan


    Boxcar_Willie wrote: »
    Drive a large screwdriver into the filter and turn it anti-clockwise to remove.

    The old ways are often the best!


  • #6
    Isambard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Isambard


    jippo nolan wrote: »
    The old ways are often the best!

    it's what I'd do, if there's room


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  • #7
    corks finest
    Registered Users Posts: 8,628 ✭✭✭corks finest


    Isambard wrote: »
    jippo nolan wrote: »
    The old ways are often the best!

    it's what I'd do, if there's room
    Same as I'd no room for a chain in my previous cat, and my hands were to big to properly grip it


  • #8
    MrCostington
    Registered Users Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭MrCostington


    Thanks, I might try the screwdriver as a last resort, sounds a bit brutal!!

    Witch are, the chain wrench, or the claw type, which I have but it's too big?


  • #9
    kirving
    Registered Users Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭kirving


    Don't hammer a screwdriver in if you can avoid it.

    I've found the 3-leg and strap based tools are the best to use.


  • #10
    MrCostington
    Registered Users Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭MrCostington


    Kevin Irving wrote: »
    Don't hammer a screwdriver in if you can avoid it.

    I've found the 3-leg and strap based tools are the best to use.

    Like this?

    https://ige.ie/3-leg-filter-wrench/?gclid=CjwKCAjw0ZfoBRB4EiwASUMdYXGlN1o49EJCgWH0Hi9ZojIgDWlFcK8irm-D94khwOdGYVgvoMETRhoCsxYQAvD_BwE


  • #11
    CJhaughey
    Registered Users Posts: 14,906 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    I have one of these, its never failed me yet on many vehicles and different types of filter and housing.
    draper-oil-filter-strap-56137-1.jpg
    https://www.craigmoreonline.ie/draper-280mm-capacity-oil-filter-strap-wrench?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_Kbsp_Hu4gIVmKztCh2IzwUgEAQYASABEgJzePD_BwE
    If you have more room around it, these strap type ones are also good.
    p_161019_05697.jpg


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  • #12
    Isambard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Isambard


    i don't know what you call it, but I've a large wrench with jaws big enough to grip the filter, I use that.


  • #13
    Lackadaisical
    Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Lackadaisical


    You'd think in this day and age they would put consumable parts like filters into sensible locations and positions for ease of access.


  • #14
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    jippo nolan wrote: »
    The old ways are often the best!

    Until it tears all the way around and you're left with nothing to grip on to to get the filter remains off.


  • #15
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Lackadaisical wrote: »
    You'd think in this day and age they would put consumable parts like filters into sensible locations and positions for ease of access.

    Plenty of them are more accessible from underneath. Like when it's on a ramp :)


  • #16
    Melodeon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,257 ✭✭✭Melodeon


    Lackadaisical wrote: »
    You'd think in this day and age they would put consumable parts like filters into sensible locations and positions for ease of access.

    It's a well known fact* that in most cases the first thing placed on the production line is the oil filter, and the car is then assembled around it.

    *May not be actual "fact"


  • #17
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Melodeon wrote: »
    It's a well known fact* that in most cases the first thing placed on the production line is the oil filter, and the car is then assembled around it.

    *May not be actual "fact"

    They clamp the filter to the bench and spin the engine on to it.




    Also may not be fact.


  • #18
    Damienmac
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭Damienmac


    As far as not driving it:

    I think if the dent was to block oil flow it would cause the oil light to stay on after starting. So if it's happy with the oil pressure it's probably fine.


  • #19
    MrCostington
    Registered Users Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭MrCostington


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Plenty of them are more accessible from underneath. Like when it's on a ramp :)


    A ramp :) If only, would be pure heaven! For my A4 is seems the top access is better once you remove (one screw and unclip, put to one side) the coolant tank


  • #20
    two wheels good
    Registered Users Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭two wheels good


    Fold a sheet of sandpaper and place it under the removal tool, grit side out. Jamming a screwdriver through it is the desperate last resort.


  • #21
    whizbang
    Registered Users Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭whizbang


    All oil filter systems are fitted with bypass valves, if the pressure gets too high, the flow will divert from the filter.

    Most cars will run bypass at any sort of higher revs. A significant amount of your oil will never see the inside of the filter.


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  • #22
    MrCostington
    Registered Users Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭MrCostington


    Update on this, got both a chain wrench and the type that fits the "nut" end of the filter from Halfords last weekend. They did not have the strap type in stock. Got the job done yesterday with the chain, so can return the unused tool.

    Also finally solved the mystery of a hose that went nowhere (see my other post here)!

    BTW, Woodies have 5L Castrol GTX for €27/28 - VAG spec


  • #23
    TheBoyConor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭TheBoyConor


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Until it tears all the way around and you're left with nothing to grip on to to get the filter remains off.

    Chisel and hammer and beat it off around where the base of the filter is crimped on.


  • #24
    zilog_jones
    Registered Users Posts: 6,641 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    jippo nolan wrote: »
    The old ways are often the best!

    Unfortunately the old ways are no longer an option on newer cars (newer than OP's) - they use replaceable paper cartridges so you re-use the filter housing. Even more of a pain if they're seized as it's not just a thin can that can be punctured easily.


  • #25
    corkgsxr
    Registered Users Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭corkgsxr


    zilog_jones wrote: »
    Unfortunately the old ways are no longer an option on newer cars (newer than OP's) - they use replaceable paper cartridges so you re-use the filter housing. Even more of a pain if they're seized as it's not just a thin can that can be punctured easily.

    Iv actually never had that type seize. Or be hard to open


  • #26
    zilog_jones
    Registered Users Posts: 6,641 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    I've failed to remove one on a 1.33 Auris - the teeth broke on my removal tool before I got anywhere with it. Maybe if I had a breaker bar or had the car up on a lift I might have been able to do it but it wouldn't budge. On that one (1NR-FE engine) the housing seems to be metal and it's facing vertically out underneath the sump. I've seen others that stick out sideways (easier to get leverage) and use plastic housing.


  • #27
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,635 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    zilog_jones wrote: »
    Unfortunately the old ways are no longer an option on newer cars (newer than OP's) - they use replaceable paper cartridges so you re-use the filter housing. Even more of a pain if they're seized as it's not just a thin can that can be punctured easily.

    It has to be said that replaceable paper elements for oil filters have been around for donkeys.


  • #28
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,635 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    zilog_jones wrote: »
    Unfortunately the old ways are no longer an option on newer cars (newer than OP's) - they use replaceable paper cartridges so you re-use the filter housing. Even more of a pain if they're seized as it's not just a thin can that can be punctured easily.

    It has to be said that replaceable paper elements for oil filters have been around for donkeys.


  • #29
    zilog_jones
    Registered Users Posts: 6,641 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    How long is "donkeys"? I've only seen it become commonplace in the past 15 years or so. I haven't worked on many cars, but my previous 406 diesel (DW10 engine was new in 1998) had an old can style filter, and anything newer (and I mean a more recently designed engine) that I've looked at had a cartridge filter.


  • #30
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 35,609 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I usually use a piece of rope to open a tight filter. Place a loop around filter, and then slip a screw driver under loop and twist until tight, and then place screw driver against filter for leverage to twist it off. Works every time.


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  • #31
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,635 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    zilog_jones wrote: »
    How long is "donkeys"? I've only seen it become commonplace in the past 15 years or so. I haven't worked on many cars, but my previous 406 diesel (DW10 engine was new in 1998) had an old can style filter, and anything newer (and I mean a more recently designed engine) that I've looked at had a cartridge filter.

    Mercedes W123* had it:

    pic06.jpg

    * My favourite car of all time btw.


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