Killer Robots

Fathom · 11-01-2018 8:52pm

Was Ex Machina a "killer robot?"

Black Swan · 17-01-2018 10:39am

Fathom wrote: »

Was Ex Machina a "killer robot?"

See the film.

Capt'n Midnight · 17-01-2018 10:21pm

Black Swan wrote: »

See the film.

Or better still , watch Klaus Kinski do his thing in the low budget Android (1983)

I tried to watch Ex Machina and after a while just had to stick it on fast forward

The problem with robots is people.

srsly78 · 17-01-2018 10:32pm

Black Mirror Season 4 Episode 5 - Metalhead

Most realistic depiction of killer robots to date?

Fathom · 18-01-2018 4:11am

srsly78 wrote: »

Black Mirror Season 4 Episode 5 - Metalhead Most realistic depiction of killer robots to date?

Spoiler alert: Link to above.

18-01-2018 4:36am

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm not really too worried about robots until there's something independant to run them without human help.

So much sci-fi gives the impression that we'll accidentally make robots that will just spontaneously become smart and hate us as a consequence. Not only do they become sentient but they become human sentient, as if that's the only state of consciousness that matters, or can exist.

I don't really see an automated system just deciding to run amok. When our tech fails it doesn't fail in a coordinated way, it just stops working. At worst the AI will just make the same mistakes as people, like incorrectly identifying targets, it would probably just do it less than people. It won't get afraid that a child might have a bomb, it will just register a non combatant and leave it at that.

Bottom line is machines are far from self sufficient. They need people in so many ways that any attempt to turn against the will of people will fail pretty rapidly.

When technology starts malfunctioning it doesn't just stop working though. A small error, either on its part or by human interference can cause it to continue doing what its programmed to do, til the end of its program with sometimes unexpected outcomes.

Face recognition software has been tricked by printouts of faces. What if a drone is given an order to kill a dissident who is also running for election in a country that has posters with his face up all over the place and the drone strafes whole apartment buildings?

dr.fuzzenstein · 18-01-2018 6:13am

Ezra Big Strap wrote: »

When technology starts malfunctioning it doesn't just stop working though. A small error, either on its part or by human interference can cause it to continue doing what its programmed to do, til the end of its program with sometimes unexpected outcomes.

Face recognition software has been tricked by printouts of faces. What if a drone is given an order to kill a dissident who is also running for election in a country that has posters with his face up all over the place and the drone strafes whole apartment buildings?

It should be precise enough to just destroy the posters.

Black Swan · 18-01-2018 7:55am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Or better still , watch Klaus Kinski do his thing in the low budget Android (1983)

Or Ash in Alien (1979); or Bishop in Aliens (1986) and Alien 3 (1992)?

18-01-2018 8:35pm

/ Lifesaving robots.

(Whilst not true AI), a small drone has saved two swimmers down in Aussieland.
From launch to accurate device drop in about 70secs.

"Never before has a drone, fitted with a flotation device been used to rescue swimmers like this."

Capt'n Midnight · 19-01-2018 2:34am

Archer Eager Viper wrote: »

From launch to accurate device drop in about 70secs[

200 years ago they'd have used a Manby mortar or a rocket ( or later on a cannon ) to deliver the line.

Black Swan · 19-01-2018 5:57am

Hospital delivery robot rolls out in Japan.

Fathom · 19-01-2018 11:59pm

Black Swan · 20-01-2018 11:28am

Above definitely fulfills the Killer Robots subject.

Fathom · 23-01-2018 1:43am

As does this flying one.

Fathom · 31-01-2018 1:25am

Robot army. United States Army's Future Combat Systems Project. Use of artificially intelligent systems in modern warfare. Behind original deployment schedule. Alex Leveringhaus in What's So Bad About Killer Robots? (Journal of Applied Philosophy, 6 March 2016), questions if engaging a target without supervision by a human operator should be allowed.

Black Swan · 31-01-2018 4:06am

Killer robots: Philosophical ethics understood only by a few vs the Military Industrial Complex profits under Trump. I can just imagine who would win.

Fathom · 31-01-2018 11:39pm

"Profits not people" maxim? Specifically killer robots not people.

Professor Moriarty · 31-01-2018 11:42pm

So, could/should a robot be put on trial for war crimes?

Fathom · 01-02-2018 12:04am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So, could/should a robot be put on trial for war crimes?

Did movie i-Robot consider robot rights to trial?

Professor Moriarty · 01-02-2018 12:16am

Fathom wrote: »

Did movie i-Robot consider robot rights to trial?

Dunno. Just wondering in general in the context of free will.

Capt'n Midnight · 01-02-2018 12:20am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So, could/should a robot be put on trial for war crimes?

No.

The human who authorised it , yes.

Both Germany and the US deployed homing torpedos in 1943 so arguably we've had killer robots for quite a while now.

Capt'n Midnight · 01-02-2018 12:24am

Fathom wrote: »

Did movie i-Robot consider robot rights to trial?

It was slightly based on Asimov's robots series, which were based on a pure fantasy concept.

Real robots are based on programs. Unless you are using certain mathematically provable languages the output of a program can't be guaranteed. So there's a risk factor.

Professor Moriarty · 01-02-2018 12:25am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

No.

The human who authorised it , yes.

Both Germany and the US deployed homing torpedos in 1943 so arguably we've had killer robots for quite a while now.

It's not my field, but as AI progresses, at what stage does the machine have choice? Of course the creator 'should' be responsible but if the machine's intelligence reaches a point where it is autonomous?

Capt'n Midnight · 01-02-2018 1:00am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's not my field, but as AI progresses, at what stage does the machine have choice? Of course the creator 'should' be responsible but if the machine's intelligence reaches a point where it is autonomous?

Passing a Turing Test doesn't prove you're human.

It just means you are more likely to be.

And it has to be a really good Turing Test. Not some crappy web chat AI that is just Eliza with a better dictionary and more hard coded grammar rules.

AI has a very long way to go before it can pretend to be us in open ended tests, and even that doesn't prove it's sentient.

Fathom · 01-02-2018 6:32pm

Ex Machina (2014) used Turing Test?

Professor Moriarty · 01-02-2018 7:34pm

Fathom wrote: »

Ex Machina (2014) used Turing Test?

It was that kind of 'robot' I was thinking of but in a military combat context.

Black Swan · 02-02-2018 4:25am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It was that kind of 'robot' I was thinking of but in a military combat context.

Fathom · 02-02-2018 5:11pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It was that kind of 'robot' I was thinking of but in a military combat context.

1st in Sci Fi. Someday real robot army.

Professor Moriarty · 02-02-2018 5:43pm

Fathom wrote: »

1st in Sci Fi. Someday real robot army.

Drones being an early iteration.

Black Swan · 03-02-2018 7:48am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Drones being an early iteration.

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