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Irish Rugby and Sevens

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    #92
    sergeblanco
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭sergeblanco


    Well you can put forth all you wish but, as I said, it's facts I'm interested in and the fact is that they've all played 7s for NZ.


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    #93
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    sergeblanco wrote: »
    Well you can put forth all you wish but, as I said, it's facts I'm interested in and the fact is that they've all played 7s for NZ.

    Correlation does not imply causation.

    Its a completely different game and while many young NZ players play 7s I don't think it particularly adds anything to their game. The biggest names in 7s are all specialist 7s players.


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    #94
    sergeblanco
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭sergeblanco


    I would hazard a guess that you've never played 7s yourself? If you had then you'd know that the key skills of passing, tackling, rucking and evasion are put under far greater pressure in the game of 7s and directly contribute to players' skills in 15s. I can guarantee that the 7 players with international 7s experience in the NZ WC winning squad would testify to that.


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    #95
    ormond lad
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    Trinity won 7s all ireland beating Malone 14-12
    Buccaneers won plate beating garryowen 12-5 in final

    Blackrock won womens div 1 7s
    Tralee won womens div 2/3 7s


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    #96
    Devon Quaint Quid
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    Trinity won 7s all ireland beating Malone 14-12
    Buccaneers won plate beating garryowen 12-5 in final

    Blackrock won womens div 1 7s
    Tralee won womens div 2/3 7s

    Trinity won a big 7s tournament last year too didn't they? Travelled to Denmark on the back of it for European tournament unless I'm mistaken.


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    #97
    ormond lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭ormond lad


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Trinity won a big 7s tournament last year too didn't they? Travelled to Denmark on the back of it for European tournament unless I'm mistaken.
    It was this competition they won - all ireland senior mens. was it not you who said their brother was on trinity team last year?
    think the winners travel abroad to similar tournament this year as well


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    #98
    Devon Quaint Quid
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    It was this competition they won - all ireland senior mens. was it not you who said their brother was on trinity team last year?
    think the winners travel abroad to similar tournament this year as well

    Yup, he missed the euro tournament because he was on holidays.

    Was too lazy to go out and play today though!


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    #99
    errlloyd
    Registered Users Posts: 12,600 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Lads I got the solution to all our problems hear, cheap 7s team that will dominate world rugby for years.

    Get Joe Schmit to coach for one year, give him a squad, of 3 black rock college boys, 2 JCT Flankers from Munchins, A shamrock rovers academy goal keeper, a one legged ex boxer, 2 female 50m hurdlers and some swans from the river dodder. All under 22

    Give him a year to inexplicably make them into the best team in the world, then make Declan Kidney the coach, he can pick the same ****ing team for the next 12 years, thus covering us for 3 olympics, when it begins to get **** give Deccie a one year "Holiday" and get JS to do it all again.

    I believe I have just won us a gold at every olympics for the remainder of time.


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    #100
    CatFromHue
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    errlloyd wrote: »
    Lads I got the solution to all our problems hear, cheap 7s team that will dominate world rugby for years.

    Get Joe Schmit to coach for one year, give him a squad, of 3 black rock college boys, 2 JCT Flankers from Munchins, A shamrock rovers academy goal keeper, a one legged ex boxer, 2 female 50m hurdlers and some swans from the river dodder. All under 22

    Give him a year to inexplicably make them into the best team in the world, then make Declan Kidney the coach, he can pick the same ****ing team for the next 12 years, thus covering us for 3 olympics, when it begins to get **** give Deccie a one year "Holiday" and get JS to do it all again.

    I believe I have just won us a gold at every olympics for the remainder of time.

    Declan Kidney ate my Hamster!


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    #101
    JustinDee
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Trinity won a big 7s tournament last year too didn't they? Travelled to Denmark on the back of it for European tournament unless I'm mistaken.

    Yes, Trinity won it last year too. They then travelled with UL Bohs who won the Women's Comp to the Copenhagen Sevens and both won outright.
    This year winners go to Amsterdam Sevens taking place next weekend.

    Junior women's winners, Tralee, will attend the Ireland v Argentina test in November as VIP guests going to the IRFU pre-match lunch, match itself then the IRFU players reception afterwards.


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    #102
    sergeblanco
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭sergeblanco


    Justin, you seem to be in a knowledgable position for 7s in Ireland and I do respect that there is work being done in the area. How do you envisage the development of 7s over the coming years? Do you think the IRFU will do everything in their power to get a competitive Irish 7s side into the Olympics in 2016? Do you think we will see an Irish 7s side taking part in the IRB series, in any form, in the next year?


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    #103
    JustinDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    sergeblanco wrote: »
    Justin, you seem to be in a knowledgable position for 7s in Ireland and I do respect that there is work being done in the area. How do you envisage the development of 7s over the coming years? Do you think the IRFU will do everything in their power to get a competitive Irish 7s side into the Olympics in 2016? Do you think we will see an Irish 7s side taking part in the IRB series, in any form, in the next year?

    Women's side has been started for this very purpose (and not as a retroactive move following an apparent online petition this year). Appointing a coach isn't the first step made when doing the background work on a brand new representitive squad.

    Men's side I have already answered on as have I answered on any timeframe involved should a decision be made towards forming squad in 2013 (once the qualification criteria are actually finalised).


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    #104
    sergeblanco
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭sergeblanco


    I didn't say that it was a retroactive move, I said that the announcement happened to come after that situation and petition occurred. Do you not agree that getting a women's 7s coach and team together just before the deadline for entry in the Euros is a rushed process? Even if it was a researched approach, it implies a little panic to the general public and female rugby playing population. I apologise if I've missed some of your answers and responses on this topic and no worries you'd prefer not to talk more about it.

    I don't see how entering a women's team, and not a men's one, has the very purpose of preparing Irish 7s going forward at heart? It's a huge blow to male rugby players and 7s players throughout Ireland that they are not being given the opportunity to represent their country at a European Championships and World Cup for the first time in the tournaments' histories especially when the sport itself is on the cusp of Olympic entry.

    My question was really asking whether or not you think, once the criteria are known, the IRFU will do their very best to get a competitive team together for the Olympics...my fear is that this may not be the case. Also, if this criteria is not finalised in the next year or so do we just continue to wait? If 7s was never in the Olympics, would the IRFU just continue to ignore it and do you think that's right?


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    #105
    sergeblanco
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭sergeblanco


    It appears the issue is gaining momentum - planet rugby letter of the week is The Plight of Irish 7s

    http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_7760700,00.html


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    #106
    JustinDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    sergeblanco wrote: »
    It appears the issue is gaining momentum - planet rugby letter of the week is The Plight of Irish 7s

    http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_7760700,00.html[/QUOTE]
    Yes, but as has been pointed out already, your letter/blog was incorrect on a couple of points regarding cost and funding.


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    #107
    sergeblanco
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭sergeblanco


    JustinDee wrote: »
    sergeblanco wrote: »
    It appears the issue is gaining momentum - planet rugby letter of the week is The Plight of Irish 7s

    http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_7760700,00.html[/QUOTE]
    Yes, but as has been pointed out already, your letter/blog was incorrect on a couple of points regarding cost and funding.

    Hmmm...I'm not so sure where the blog/letter has been shown to be incorrect?

    - The IRB do pay for flights and accommodation for teams.
    - Players could be paid through existing provincial contracts.
    - Club players could not be paid at all or with a small bursary.
    - The IRFU could make a 7s team where all they would have to pay for is a coaching team.

    Presuming these are the couple of points regarding cost and funding that you are talking about, I don't see where they've been proven incorrect.


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    #108
    JustinDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    sergeblanco wrote: »
    Hmmm...I'm not so sure where the blog/letter has been shown to be incorrect?

    - The IRB do pay for flights and accommodation for teams.
    - Players could be paid through existing provincial contracts.
    - Club players could not be paid at all or with a small bursary.
    - The IRFU could make a 7s team where all they would have to pay for is a coaching team.

    Presuming these are the couple of points regarding cost and funding that you are talking about, I don't see where they've been proven incorrect.
    Point 1) A fraction of the cost of running a professional rugby squad

    Point 2) You're now saying existing provincially contracted players can be diverted. The question is can they be taken away without affecting team or player season programme?

    Point 3) This is hardly a carrot. Do it for free or next to nothing is not an option. It becomes a case of entering the Sevens circuit just for the sake of it.

    Point 4) No, they couldn't. As explained earlier in thread.

    Wait and see how 2013 qualification criteria goes. If it suits, plenty of time to prep properly if given the go ahead. No worries.


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    #109
    sergeblanco
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭sergeblanco


    Sounds good -look forward to the ongoing development!

    Still maintain that a top Irish side could be produced for very little money especially when you see the calibre of amateur Irish athletes already playing sport at an internationsl level but I guess that is beside the point at this stage.

    The reference to provincial players is most likely related to academy/development players too - not players who would be involved with provincial first teams.


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    #110
    JustinDee
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    Amsterdam Sevens will show plenty of footage on their YouTube channel this weekend.

    Irish Women's Sevens team will be playing this weekend and are in a tough group.

    Representing Irish clubs will be Malone RFC (finalists in the All-Ireland Club Sevens - Trinity couldn't travel) and in the Women's competition, All-Ireland winners, Blackrock College RFC.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/amsterdamsevens?feature=mhee


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    #111
    ormond lad
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    There is highlights of the topflight schools 7s comp that was held in Crescent Comp last month on tg4 tomorrow at 3.45


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    #112
    ormond lad
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    Munster got to the semi finals of the NCS Glasgow City Sevens today. dont have any details except for munster had to play hamilton in their first game.


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    #113
    sergeblanco
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭sergeblanco


    Coverage of the Amsterdam 7s on YouTube looks very good, great potential for the women's side to go from strength to strength and really challenge at the euros this summer.

    Also great to see coverage of the schools 7s tournament in the Crescent Limerick on TG4 and Munster bringing a side to the Glasgow 7s too!!

    7s is on the up and its potential here is becoming more and more evident - a travesty that there's no senior men's team competing at the euros and next year's WC.


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    #114
    ormond lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭ormond lad


    ormond lad wrote: »
    There is highlights of the topflight schools 7s comp that was held in Crescent Comp last month on tg4 tomorrow at 3.45
    This is being repeated on tg4 at the moment for anyyone who missed it the first time it was shown


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    #115
    Naomi00
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    Ireland women's team qualified for the Rugby World Cup Sevens 2013:

    http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/26796.php


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    #116
    muscleshirt
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    Naomi00 wrote: »
    Ireland women's team qualified for the Rugby World Cup Sevens 2013:

    http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/26796.php
    great news...pity about the mens game we should be putting a side out there...about 6 of the AB that gave ireland the drubbing graduated from 7S gear ,dragg even the no 6 ...we need the running lines and skills that 7S develops


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    #117
    sergeblanco
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭sergeblanco


    Here's a good article by an up-and-coming rugby journalist Murray Kinsella on the Irish Women's 7s campaign this year in qualifying for the 7s World Cup next year:

    http://murraykinsella.wordpress.com/2012/07/01/womens-7s-team-hit-world-stage/

    Although there is the opinion, tweeted by @ScrumQueens (self-proclaimed best women's rugby website in the world), that Kinsella has "been v kind to IRFU who showed no interest till became clear at last min they could have a go in qualifiers"

    Here's a link to all the highlights and bloopers of the campaign as well:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/irishwomens7s


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    #118
    boardieboardie
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭boardieboardie


    The Men's European Qualifier takes place this weekend in Portugal.
    Today at the press conference the question was posed to Beth Coalter of the IRB:
    "Does the IRB have any comment to the fact that Ireland is not competing in the RWC7's 2013?"
    Reply:"Ireland did put a strong effort on women 7's and we hope they will be back to men 7's for 2020. "

    So that would be two Summer Olympics away.


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    #119
    boardieboardie
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭boardieboardie


    Portugal won the European Sevens qualifier in the Algarve at the weekend, beating Spain in the final. The top 5 qualified for the World Cup next year, Portugal, Spain, France, Georgia and Scotland, with Wales and England already qualified by virtue of being quarter-finalists in 2009, and Russia qualified as hosts.

    Final positions:
    1. Portugal
    2. Spain
    3. France
    4. Georgia
    5. Scotland
    6. Italy
    7. Ukraine & Germany
    9. Romania
    10. Lithuania
    11. Belgium
    12. Netherlands

    So countries like Ukraine and Lithuania can fund a Sevens team through to the World Cup Qualifiers. But poor little Ireland can't, or can't be bothered.


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    #120
    sergeblanco
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭sergeblanco


    Watching the Olympics and thinking Ireland does have the resources to win an Olympic medal in Rio (in Rugby 7s). It's good that the women have started but surely the men need a team in the next few months in order to succeed with a 4 year plan with a realistic goal of a medal.

    All other athletes and teams look at The Games with a 4 year cycle where their constantly honing in their experience and peaking that summer; such a pity that Ireland hasn't got the WC next year as part of such a 4 year plan but something needs to be done asap regardless in order to prepare properly.

    I understand the stance of waiting until the specifications for qualification come out but regardless of what they are, a 4 year plan starting in September is needed if we have a goal of a medal!


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    #121
    bilston
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    sergeblanco wrote: »
    Watching the Olympics and thinking Ireland does have the resources to win an Olympic medal in Rio (in Rugby 7s). It's good that the women have started but surely the men need a team in the next few months in order to succeed with a 4 year plan with a realistic goal of a medal.

    All other athletes and teams look at The Games with a 4 year cycle where their constantly honing in their experience and peaking that summer; such a pity that Ireland hasn't got the WC next year as part of such a 4 year plan but something needs to be done asap regardless in order to prepare properly.

    I understand the stance of waiting until the specifications for qualification come out but regardless of what they are, a 4 year plan starting in September is needed if we have a goal of a medal!

    I think the Olympics be great for Rugby. People with no interest or real knowledge of the sport (and there'll be a lot in Rio in fairness) will get into it. I found myself enjoying a Volleyball match between GB and Bulgaria yesterday morning FFS. Now I'm not saying I'm going to take it up but it caught my attention and I enjoyed and I'd watch it again if it was on, hopefully Rugby 7s will have the same kind of effect in 2016.

    Hopefully Ireland are part of it.


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