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10-05-2019, 08:57   #781
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I'm not trying to seem like anything. You meanwhile are trying to seem like a football fan when you're clearly not.
Are you 8 by any chance? Poster is not a football fan because he doesn't go to games every weekend? Jesus wept.
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10-05-2019, 09:00   #782
 
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To be fair the vast majority of Irish people support England in world cups that Ireland do not qualify for.
The unadulterated venom towards the England team during the World Cup from Irish folk was vile I thought.

I don't think the vast majority would support England, just some (I'd get behind England myself).

The hatred I mentioned towards the England team from Irish fans who support Premiership teams was especially pitiful.

I do understand Irish people being fans of Premiership teams but I will never understand when they get so worked up about the team to the point of "hating" rival teams/fans and boiling over with rage at them. I get the links to England via relatives etc too, but it's nearly always big teams. Then you've got the folk who became Manchester City fans in the past ten years - such a coincidence!

I think people should also support their local team though.
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The unadulterated venom towards the England team during the World Cup from Irish folk was vile I thought.

I don't think the vast majority would support England, just some (I'd get behind England myself).

The hatred I mentioned towards the England team from Irish fans who support Premiership teams was especially pitiful.

I do understand Irish people being fans of Premiership teams but I will never understand when they get so worked up about the team to the point of "hating" rival teams/fans and boiling over with rage at them. I get the links to England via relatives etc too, but it's nearly always big teams. Then you've got the folk who became Manchester City fans in the past ten years - such a coincidence!

I think people should also support their local team though.
Why ? Why 'should' they ?
You get 2-3,000 in the RSC for a game against the 'big' teams.
You get 1500 at the rest.
Why?
Because the football is of a pretty poor standard.
You are 40 metres from the pitch .

The players that you are shouting for on your team this season, will be playing for a different team next season, and another team the season after that....
Its a merry go round, and similar for the managers.
How can you try to 'get' into a team, if the players will be there for a year, then move on.
There is little player loyalty in English football, almost none in Ireland.


Even the majority of the Irish media only give the League of Ireland a bare mention.

It will never change, never.
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10-05-2019, 09:38   #784
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. Then you've got the folk who became Manchester City fans in the past ten years - such a coincidence!
I don't understand this your point at all.

Success wins fans and breeds support, not the other way round. Of course it's not a coincidence that city have been picking up fans when they're winning, only and idiot would argue that it is.

There are only so many people who can have a geographic connection to a team. Big teams like a Barca or a Liverpool have hundreds of millions of fans world wide. Genuine real life fans!

A Classico or a Pool v United will regularly attract viewing figures of 6 or 7 hundred million worldwide - they are global brands, they have long since surpassed being local teams. What is strange or unusual for any Irish person to be watching a match that 10% of the entire planet will be watching?
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I can't understand the logic of giving your money to the cities of London, Manchester or Liverpool supporting their teams over your own city and local clubs.

There is no logic in it.

Let's be honest, the way some Irish go on about British clubs (which is embarrassing and has more than a hint of post colonial psychology with it) hardly does much to assuage the argument that a good sample of typical football supporters actually aren't the brightest.

Cause and effect. It's a total inability to see or acknowledge that it's their own choices that damage their own local teams and league in favor of England essentially.

And then the refrain will be "I don't support the league of Ireland because it's ****e..."
Following a LOI team can make your life better, but so can following an English team. For me an English team regularly provides wonderful entertainment and Joy for me and hundrets of thousands of people in Ireland, who has a right to deny people that joy?
English football also makes friendships stronger as with football there's ALWAYS something to talk about. When your team wins English football makes day to day life that little bit better. If Liverpool where to win the Champions league or Premier league that's the best moment of the year for a lot of Irish people
Yes football fans should try to support LOI also but most people dont have the time and no Irish person owe's the LOI anything.
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Maybe I need to get out more but I don't see all these supposed new Manchester City supporters that are supposed to have cropped up out of nowhere

I personally know one Manchester City supporter - and he was supporting them in 1998/99 when they were in League One (as it's called now) and couldn't even finish top of that league
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Maybe I need to get out more but I don't see all these supposed new Manchester City supporters that are supposed to have cropped up out of nowhere
I personally know one Manchester City supporter - and he was supporting them in 1998/99 when they were in League One (as it's called now) and couldn't even finish top of that league
My Da remembers the Frannie Lee era. Thats playing era not managing.

Took me to see Niall Quinn playing for them v Liverpool in the old First Division.

But he is probably a minority example...
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Following a LOI team can make your life better, but so can following an English team. For me an English team regularly provides wonderful entertainment and Joy for me and hundrets of thousands of people in Ireland, who has a right to deny people that joy?
English football also makes friendships stronger as with football there's ALWAYS something to talk about. When your team wins English football makes day to day life that little bit better. If Liverpool where to win the Champions league or Premier league that's the best moment of the year for a lot of Irish people
Yes football fans should try to support LOI also but most people dont have the time and no Irish person owe's the LOI anything.
That applies equally if not more to LOI fans, it's not like LOI fans just stop watching all other football or anything but they've also got the extra card of LOI football to talk about.

How do most people not have the time? It's 2 hours ever second Friday night not every day. And it doesn't even impact on watching Premier league football.


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I don't understand this your point at all.

Success wins fans and breeds support, not the other way round. Of course it's not a coincidence that city have been picking up fans when they're winning, only and idiot would argue that it is.

There are only so many people who can have a geographic connection to a team. Big teams like a Barca or a Liverpool have hundreds of millions of fans world wide. Genuine real life fans!

A Classico or a Pool v United will regularly attract viewing figures of 6 or 7 hundred million worldwide - they are global brands, they have long since surpassed being local teams. What is strange or unusual for any Irish person to be watching a match that 10% of the entire planet will be watching?
Blackpool vs Peterborough would get nowhere near 6/7 hundred million viewers. Nothing strange in watching the match. Something strange in supporting one of them as if you were born and raised in the stadium shadow.

There's only so many people with a geographical connection to a specific team but everyone has a geographical connection to a team, that's the point of football. They're not genuine real fans.

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There's only so many people with a geographical connection to a specific team but everyone has a geographical connection to a team, that's the point of football. They're not genuine real fans.
I could not disagree more. Its sport. You would reduce it to geography. You are only allowed to connect with a team where for arbitrary reasons you happened to be born or reared? Nonsense.
The opposite is more likely to be true. Someone who only cares about the geography isnt a genuine sports fan.
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I could not disagree more. Its sport. You would reduce it to geography. You are only allowed to connect with a team where for arbitrary reasons you happened to be born or reared? Nonsense.
The opposite is more likely to be true. Someone who only cares about the geography isnt a genuine sports fan.
Teams were established to represent the areas they are in. Theres a reason they're named after where they are and not by their nicknames, even those though tend to have roots in the clubs geographical area.

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I follow Everton and live in Merseyside,they have a big following in North Wales and nobody thinks that strange-just as Irish support isn't considered strange by any supporters here-there are also close ties between Ireland and places like Liverpool,London and the Midlands(as has been mentioned by others here).
My late father in law from Clogherhead was a spurs fan,he had lived in London in the early 60s.
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I follow Everton and live in Merseyside,they have a big following in North Wales and nobody thinks that strange-just as Irish support isn't considered strange by any supporters here-there are also close ties between Ireland and places like Liverpool,London and the Midlands(as has been mentioned by others here).
My late father in law from Clogherhead was a spurs fan,he had lived in London in the early 60s.
Liverpool is basically on the boarder with North Wales.
See all the slagging Manchester United get for having more fans in London than Manchester? It's just having Irish fans is so ingrained now nobody notices and in the UK when it suits them they don't realise Ireland is a separate country so it goes unnoticed. Fans of bigger clubs are getting more and more pissed off at being priced out by foreign fans though and soon they'll realise that includes Irish fans.
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How do most people not have the time? It's 2 hours ever second Friday night not every day. And it doesn't even impact on watching Premier league football...There's only so many people with a geographical connection to a specific team but everyone has a geographical connection to a team, that's the point of football. They're not genuine real fans.
Because if you have friends or a girlfriend chances are you'll want to spend friday night with them and I currently dont have any friends who follow the LOI. The reality is LOI is a product and its competing against more popular products and products of a much higher standard. You cant blame people for picking more popular products or more popular interests, that's life, people are free to do what they want with there own time. In Ireland the fact is football is not of a high standard so a lot of peole who truely love football are not interested in football below a certain standard as they cant get emotionally attached to it. Its easy to get emotionally attached to English football when everyone around you follows it and its the emotional attachment that matters
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6,500 saw a cracking game of football in Tallaght a few weeks ago.
Rovers have slipped a bit lately but they have played some brilliant football this season with a 5 man midfield that keeps the ball on the deck.
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Fans of bigger clubs are getting more and more pissed off at being priced out by foreign fans though and soon they'll realise that includes Irish fans.
That's there tough luck, there club loves having loads of foreign fans
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