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RED ROCK [News, Spoilers and Discussion]

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  • #62
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Here it is. €80m?



    http://www.iftn.ie/news/featureinterviews/?act1=record&only=1&aid=73&rid=4287885&tpl=archnews&force=1

    Don't believe every thing you read. At the very most it's costing 31m and even that's ott TV3 only earn 55m a year.

    I'd say it's a typo. Tbh


  • #63
    George White
    Registered Users Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭George White


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Good looking girl in that photo :)

    It's not the same actress. Lauryn "Amber" Canny is fifteen, Jane Somethingorother is the pictured actress. She's about twenty-five.


  • #64
    HeidiHeidi
    Registered Users Posts: 28,793 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    When is this starting?

    I'm borderline allergic to TV3 these days, so haven't seen any of the ads.

    I'll give this a chance, though.


  • #65
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 17,977 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Elmo wrote: »
    Don't believe every thing you read. At the very most it's costing 31m and even that's ott TV3 only earn 55m a year.

    I'd say it's a typo. Tbh

    The figure I read recently was 7 or 8m Euros (which is still a huge outlay by TV3 standards)


  • #66
    emanresu esrever
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭emanresu esrever


    George White wrote: »
    It's not the same actress. Lauryn "Amber" Canny is fifteen, Jane Somethingorother is the pictured actress. She's about twenty-five.

    sorry you are right! i just saw the articles and when i saw "staered in Amber" made the assumption as they are very alike! i cant see how she starred in Amber, although the way tv3 overpublicises itself she was merely driving the Luas/dart amber waslast seen on and they saw her as starring! i couldnt work the maths out either even though i know the show was probably filmed couple of years ago and she was probably older than the character she portrayed.

    ah well, she is a good looking girl regardless! wouldnt mind being arrested by her!


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  • #67
    emanresu esrever
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭emanresu esrever


    HeidiHeidi wrote: »
    When is this starting?

    I'm borderline allergic to TV3 these days, so haven't seen any of the ads.

    I'll give this a chance, though.

    dont worry Tv3 have a habit of repeating everything from the ads to the programes multiple times! so you wont miss it even if you go out of your way to !! that station is like groundhog day!

    TV Threpeat...


  • #68
    emanresu esrever
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭emanresu esrever


    Ha!! Did that poster really conceive that TV3 were spending 80 million on this!! 8 million over the initial 2 year contract period AT MOST.

    I am predicting this is going to flop big time! Tv3 has no precedence for homegrown drama success, i believe? And the pressure to establish this as a "soap" to rival corrie/eastenders/emmerdale/Fair City etc isnt a good starting point.

    Thre has been only one soap (Hollyoaks) which has had a bit of success since comig onto screens since the Big 3 (in England) and Fair City took effect. Brookside was even more popular in late 80s/ early 90s but ran out of steam with its over the top stories.

    Maybe im wrong but unless it takes a different approach to traditional soaps, cant see it lasting


  • #69
    Strazdas
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    emanresu esrever wrote: »
    Ha!! Did that poster really conceive that TV3 were spending 80 million on this!! 8 million over the initial 2 year contract period AT MOST.

    I am predicting this is going to flop big time! Tv3 has no precedence for homegrown drama success, i believe? And the pressure to establish this as a "soap" to rival corrie/eastenders/emmerdale/Fair City etc isnt a good starting point.

    Thre has been only one soap (Hollyoaks) which has had a bit of success since comig onto screens since the Big 3 (in England) and Fair City took effect. Brookside was even more popular in late 80s/ early 90s but ran out of steam with its over the top stories.

    Maybe im wrong but unless it takes a different approach to traditional soaps, cant see it lasting

    But they've no particular record for failure with drama either. This is hugely ambitious by their standards, it appears to be the biggest programme launch in their entire history.

    They do have one big advantage over the UK in that there are already three big nightly British soap operas but they've only one Irish contender to take on, meaning it would be easier for a new Irish soap to launch than a new British one.


  • #70
    emanresu esrever
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭emanresu esrever


    Re the Amber mix up................ The actress in red rock "starred" as a dead body who the gardai thought was Ambers but it wasn't............. They do look extremely the same, even though the age gap is a few years

    "You were also in Amber as well weren’t you?
    Yeah, they thought I was Amber. They thought my body was Amber but it wasn’t. I had another little storyline where I had died in a car crash and they found my body and they thought I was Amber because myself and her are very similar."


  • #71
    [Deleted User]
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    Twice a week Soap Ill give it a shot

    see no reason why its cannot be on 3 times a week on Sunday 8:30pm after fair city ?


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  • #72
    emanresu esrever
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭emanresu esrever


    Strazdas wrote: »
    But they've no particular record for failure with drama either. This is hugely ambitious by their standards, it appears to be the biggest programme launch in their entire history.

    They do have one big advantage over the UK in that there are already three big nightly British soap operas but they've only one Irish contender to take on, meaning it would be easier for a new Irish soap to launch than a new British one.

    well there is a massive viewership difference between the UK and Ireland districts! Plus the British big three are the main soaps in Ireland, so yeah, they are its contenders, in fact Fair city isn't what it should be worried about tbh.
    So I amn't sure what advantage they have at all! ITV has a massive budget, BBC is essentially state run as is RTE and TV3 is a low budget station which relies heavily on impported shows, most of which are lost now.

    Ambitious or not, the show is being put together out of necessity and desperation now as its lost its soaps. Why not make a drama whilst the station was strong with the anchor shows of Corrie and Emmerdale on hand. That was the time to show ambition and keep the viewers on the station after Corrie/Emmerdale.

    Ill have a look but i dont have high hopes.


    and god help it if is put up against epic show "Ray Darcys Superstar Dogs" that made its debut last night.........


  • #73
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Strazdas wrote: »
    But they've no particular record for failure with drama either. This is hugely ambitious by their standards, it appears to be the biggest programme launch in their entire history.

    They do have one big advantage over the UK in that there are already three big nightly British soap operas but they've only one Irish contender to take on, meaning it would be easier for a new Irish soap to launch than a new British one.

    And you'd wonder why they didn't do it sooner.

    The irish producers are good, but some of the writers where involved in desperation.

    Think it is unfair to criticise something we haven't seen yet.


  • #74
    emanresu esrever
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭emanresu esrever


    Elmo wrote: »
    And you'd wonder why they didn't do it sooner.

    The irish producers are good, but some of the writers where involved in desperation.

    Think it is unfair to criticise something we haven't seen yet.

    noones criticizing it. i just anticipate, on balance of probabilities, the odds are it won't be a big success for reasons i have stated above. i dont think there is room for a new soap really. just my opinion. going by interviews, previews, articles i think the producers may go down the overdramatic approach and neglect to include charm and humour which are imperative for a soap to be well, a soap!!


  • #75
    Elmo
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    emanresu esrever wrote: »
    overdramatic approach and neglect to include charm and humour which are imperative for a soap to be well, a soap!!

    Clearly not an eastenders fan.


  • #76
    emanresu esrever
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭emanresu esrever


    Elmo wrote: »
    Clearly not an eastenders fan.

    eastenders takes a different approach to humour. it isnt slapstick, silly or pantimine humour which is used in corrie or Emmerdale but the humour is within thr dialogue such as nick the other day when dot found him and mrs. doyle on the sofa.... "maw never did like the sex pistols" or tamwars overall demeanour or billy mitchells failures in life. i do agree it could do with a little more charm but it can afford to neglect same as its such an established show.

    my point is soaps nowadays entering the market have a lot to live up to and the standards, even if lacking now (corrie) have been set. people are creatures of habit and one more soap may just be one too many unless it is excellent.


  • #77
    Strazdas
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    emanresu esrever wrote: »
    eastenders takes a different approach to humour. it isnt slapstick, silly or pantimine humour which is used in corrie or Emmerdale but the humour is within thr dialogue such as nick the other day when dot found him and mrs. doyle on the sofa.... "maw never did like the sex pistols" or tamwars overall demeanour or billy mitchells failures in life. i do agree it could do with a little more charm but it can afford to neglect same as its such an established show.

    my point is soaps nowadays entering the market have a lot to live up to and the standards, even if lacking now (corrie) have been set. people are creatures of habit and one more soap may just be one too many unless it is excellent.

    Having said that, Eastenders was an instant success. Within weeks it had a really big audience, and within a year it's ratings were going through the stratosphere.

    It's difficult to tell if now is the right time for a new Irish soap or not. I guess we'll find out very quickly.


  • #78
    SweetChaos
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    emanresu esrever wrote: »
    noones criticizing it. i just anticipate, on balance of probabilities, the odds are it won't be a big success for reasons i have stated above. i dont think there is room for a new soap really. just my opinion. going by interviews, previews, articles i think the producers may go down the overdramatic approach and neglect to include charm and humour which are imperative for a soap to be well, a soap!!

    There is room for another soap and I'm quite looking forward to it , we need another Irish soap competition for Fair City, it might make them pull up their socks and change the shíte the are churning out at the moment

    We should be supporting our own home grown soaps and new and upcoming actors


  • #79
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,442 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    TV3 would probably be hoping too that if it is successful they could sell it abroad. But it's a big ask.

    I don't watch soaps myself but despite Fair City the market is captive to the bigger British soaps so this can only help loosen that if it is good.


  • #80
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 17,977 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Preview of the very first episode here :

    http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/bludgeoned-body-found-on-dublin-beach-as-tv3s-red-rock-gets-set-for-grim-first-episode-30869781.html

    Interestingly, the first ever episode of Eastenders featured the discovery of a dead body too.


  • #81
    MelanieC
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    It all hangs on the first episode for now. Everyone is going to have an "i'll just watch the first one & see what it's like" attitude out of curiosity more than anything else. It's up to the pilot to draw people in & make them want to continue watching.

    Obviously the subsequent shows need to hold interest too but if the first episode is poor,it will be that much harder to entice viewers back even if it later improves.


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  • #82
    TOMs WIFE
    Registered Users Posts: 288 ✭✭TOMs WIFE


    emanresu esrever wrote: »
    Maybe im wrong but unless it takes a different approach to traditional soaps, cant see it lasting
    emanresu esrever wrote: »
    i think the producers may go down the overdramatic approach and neglect to include charm and humour which are imperative for a soap to be well, a soap!!

    So which? You want it to take a different approach to normal soaps or you want it to be "well, a soap" ?


  • #83
    TOMs WIFE
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    Strazdas wrote: »
    It's difficult to tell if now is the right time for a new Irish soap or not. I guess we'll find out very quickly.

    They have already said they have to play the long game on it, that there will be peaks and troughs. They say that is why they are committing to 2 years.


  • #84
    emanresu esrever
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭emanresu esrever


    TOMs WIFE wrote: »
    So which? You want it to take a different approach to normal soaps or you want it to be "well, a soap" ?

    a different approach would be welcomed. I think the fact that they are devising a soap is equally welcoming, but that doesnt mean it will be a success or viewers will catch onto it or they can devise original storylines. I think it is vital they attract viewers and maybe they have no choice other than this but why they waited until the stations most challenging hour to attemt something like this is beyond me. They should have trusted their instincts beforehand whilst they had the viewers on board with the other soaps on their schedule. I know its just a flick of a remote but you will be surprised with how people just leave their telly on the same station during "soap times"


  • #85
    podgeandrodge
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    A good few photos from the first episode in the galleries on these articles:

    http://www.herald.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/blue-murder-as-new-soap-red-rock-starts-with-a-bang-30868678.html

    http://www.irishmirror.ie/whats-on/arts-culture-news/take-glimpse-inside-tv3s-new-4893200

    TV3 should put it up on UTV Ireland. After all, Corrie was on UTV and TV3. :)

    Starts a week from now...7th Jan


  • #86
    Strazdas
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    A good few photos from the first episode in the galleries on these articles:

    http://www.herald.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/blue-murder-as-new-soap-red-rock-starts-with-a-bang-30868678.html

    http://www.irishmirror.ie/whats-on/arts-culture-news/take-glimpse-inside-tv3s-new-4893200

    TV3 should put it up on UTV Ireland. After all, Corrie was on UTV and TV3. :)

    Just out of interest, do we know if Red Rock is shot on video or film? It's hard to tell from those Irish Mirror pictures. I think video might be better suited to a soap.....all the big UK ones have stuck with the format.


  • #87
    Elmo
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    Strazdas wrote: »
    Just out of interest, do we know if Red Rock is shot on video or film? It's hard to tell from those Irish Mirror pictures. I think video might be better suited to a soap.....all the big UK ones have stuck with the format.

    I'd have thought most things are digitally filmed nowadays, films far too expensive for TV I'd be very rare.


  • #88
    podgeandrodge
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    First actual clip from the show:

    http://www.tv3.ie/3player/show/703/0/0/Red-Rock


  • #89
    George White
    Registered Users Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭George White


    Looks bleak as ****e.


  • #90
    podgeandrodge
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    George White wrote: »
    Looks bleak as ****e.

    I hope it is.


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  • #91
    Elmo
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    There is a definitely soapy feel to the new trailer of the show.


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