Discovery 3x08 - 'The Sanctuary' ~~ { Spoilers Within }

TheValeyard · 05-12-2020 4:15pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Tellerites

You cant get them to leave.... No matter how much you insult them.

Kermit.de.frog · 05-12-2020 5:43pm

The single biggest downside of this for me is the OTT number of emotional scenes that are not needed and are just time sinks.

Every episode seems to have multiple people crying for one thing or another.

Gets tiresome.

strandroad · 05-12-2020 8:57pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

my only real complaint was they made a big deal out of Book finally going home to a planet we saw him on in episode 1. Do these guys watch their own show

In episode 1 they went to a tranceworm sanctuary planet, not his own planet. Although he did mention that it reminds him of his home world if I'm not mistaken. He also mentioned that his family are poachers who kill the worms so there was a little bit of setup there from the start.

breezy1985 · 05-12-2020 9:45pm

strandroad wrote: »

In episode 1 they went to a tranceworm sanctuary planet, not his own planet. Although he did mention that it reminds him of his home world if I'm not mistaken. He also mentioned that his family are poachers who kill the worms so there was a little bit of setup there from the start.

The people on that planet looked an awful lot like his crowd and all of the Trek websites list it as the same planet and the tranceworms as being native to the same planet so it appears to be very confusing at the least

CramCycle · 05-12-2020 9:54pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

The people on that planet looked an awful lot like his crowd and all of the Trek websites list it as the same planet and the tranceworms as being native to the same planet so it appears to be very confusing at the least

I'd have to go back and watch it but I was sure the 1st episode clarified it was a sanctuary for the Trance worms that was like but away from his home world. The title of this episode makes that very confusing though.

corkie · 05-12-2020 10:16pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

I noticed the hardcore DIS people are pretty quiet about this episode ......

I don't know if I fit in that group. But enjoyed the episode when you switch of critical thinking. Other than that found nothing worth commenting on.

Still been drip fed bits of the season plot lines. But at least they are connecting some together.

For 2 Part coming up looks like they will be dealing with 'Georgiou' more, so some probably won't like them?

breezy1985 wrote: »

The people on that planet looked an awful lot like his crowd and all of the Trek websites list it as the same planet and the tranceworms as being native to the same planet so it appears to be very confusing at the least

Sanctuary Four is not the same planet as 'Kwejian'

Both planets are Sanctuary for different reasons?

05-12-2020 10:27pm

The Georgiou med bay scene was kinda annoying - the EMH would have just sedated her after about 30 seconds.

CastorTroy · 05-12-2020 11:13pm

So if Detmer has started a war, does that mean she's on the path to being the next Michael?

Banana Republic 1 · 05-12-2020 11:15pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

So if Detmer has started a war, does that mean she's on the path to being the next Michael?

She’ll be next appearing in a toothpaste commercial

TheValeyard · 06-12-2020 12:25am

CastorTroy wrote: »

So if Detmer has started a war, does that mean she's on the path to being the next Michael?

Well, at least its someone different for a change!!

CramCycle · 06-12-2020 9:29pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

Well, at least its someone different for a change!!

You could argue it was Tilly who made the suggestion so it would another Discovery first officer.

AllForIt · 07-12-2020 5:15am

I have no idea what was going on there as I can't foucs on this at all. The they/them thing threw me in the first quarter than I mentally tuned out. You just can't get away from that stuff these days even in places you thought you could.

breezy1985 · 07-12-2020 10:00am

AllForIt wrote: »

I have no idea what was going on there as I can't foucs on this at all. The they/them thing threw me in the first quarter than I mentally tuned out. You just can't get away from that stuff these days even in places you thought you could.

If you don't like social commentary then Trek old or new probably isn't for you

CramCycle · 07-12-2020 12:09pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

If you don't like social commentary then Trek old or new probably isn't for you

100%, Trek has always had this, if your a trek fan you are either the type like me who doesn't notice it and enjoy the show, or you do notice it and you nod your hat to it being relevant and normalising what should be normal anyway.

If what was a throwaway scene where someone made a quick comment saying they would prefer to be known by A, B or C, and that's your issue with the show, then general conversation with people might be outside your scope, let alone an episode of Trek.

AllForIt · 07-12-2020 3:54pm

Yes but you see if the show was good besides then yes maybe I wouldn't notice it but it's not good besides.

I would wonder why every episode of ST from the original was for me up until Discovery if all this social commentary was always there? Perhaps there is a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it rather than oh it must be my fault for being so narrow minded.

Btw, how can a black man and a white man with a very strong Latino accent be brothers? Or is that some kind of social commentary as well?

And what is it with the ethnic hairstyles or is that social commentary as well?

And what is with the fact that there is not one single stereotypical white heterosexual male part of the crew? Or is that social commentary as well?

And why are the helm crew so out of place i.e they are emotional and weak, hardly the personality types you'd expect to sign up for active duty, or is that social commentary as well?

In fact the whole crew including the weak captain seem out of place for the role they have. Perhaps it has something to do with diversity quotes and is shows how you end up with a crew totally unsuitable for the job. That would make sense. They would seem more suited to running a kindergarten than boldly going. And when I say they I men the whole crew, not one single new member to the crew.

If anyone tells me Star Trek isn't for me there will be a lot more blunt straight talking as above.

CastorTroy · 07-12-2020 3:55pm

CramCycle wrote: »

You could argue it was Tilly who made the suggestion so it would another Discovery first officer.

On that note, aren't bridge conversations recorded by the computer?

coffee_cake · 07-12-2020 4:03pm

AllForIt wrote: »

Btw, how can a black man and a white man with a very strong Latino accent be brothers? Or is that some kind of social commentary as well?

he said they were brothers by vow
"it isnt biological, it's something we said, we felt"
will you watch it properly with your "blunt straight talking". hairstyles. on trek of all places

breezy1985 · 07-12-2020 4:16pm

AllForIt wrote: »

Yes but you see if the show was good besides then yes maybe I wouldn't notice it but it's not good besides.

I would wonder why every episode of ST from the original was for me up until Discovery if all this social commentary was always there? Perhaps there is a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it rather than oh it must be my fault for being so narrow minded.

Btw, how can a black man and a white man with a very strong Latino accent be brothers? Or is that some kind of social commentary as well?

And what is it with the ethnic hairstyles or is that social commentary as well?

And what is with the fact that there is not one single stereotypical white heterosexual male part of the crew? Or is that social commentary as well?

And why are the helm crew so out of place i.e they are emotional and weak, hardly the personality types you'd expect to sign up for active duty, or is that social commentary as well?

In fact the whole crew including the weak captain seem out of place for the role they have. Perhaps it has something to do with diversity quotes and is shows how you end up with a crew totally unsuitable for the job. That would make sense. They would seem more suited to running a kindergarten than boldly going. And when I say they I men the whole crew, not one single new member to the crew.

If anyone tells me Star Trek isn't for me there will be a lot more blunt straight talking as above.

Save it for the "wokism" thread and all the other racist after hours threads you are into

Goodshape · 07-12-2020 4:18pm

NOT that I'm any authority on all things LGBT -- but I thought those scenes between Stamets, Adira, and Culber were pretty awful too to be honest. Just poor writing.

It would have been right at home and forward thinking in a contemporary high-school drama, with the student who's struggling and the teacher who gets it. Lovely moment.

But 1000 years into our bright Star Trek future? "Oh, good for you :-) - we'll update the ships records". "Thanks". DONE.

Stamets this season has just been walking around the ship like some Zen monk dispatching nuggets of warm fuzzy sentiment, and I'm not mad about it.

pixelburp · 07-12-2020 5:07pm

*pops into episode threads again, out of curiosity*

"... Ethnic hairstyles"

Jesus fúcking Christ.

*Leaves thread again*

PhiloCypher · 07-12-2020 6:49pm

AllForIt wrote: »

Yes but you see if the show was good besides then yes maybe I wouldn't notice it but it's not good besides.

I would wonder why every episode of ST from the original was for me up until Discovery if all this social commentary was always there? Perhaps there is a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it rather than oh it must be my fault for being so narrow minded.

It was always there mate , those shows just came out in less polarised times, before the culture wars really took off with the onset of social media. The 24 hour news cycle, 10 years of social media and talking heads on either side of the cultural divide telling people to be offended by one thing or another has people being triggered by things that would never bothered them before.

AllForIt wrote: »

Btw, how can a black man and a white man with a very strong Latino accent be brothers? Or is that some kind of social commentary as well?

And what is it with the ethnic hairstyles or is that social commentary as well?

And what is with the fact that there is not one single stereotypical white heterosexual male part of the crew? Or is that social commentary as well?

Ask yourself, did you give a crap about LaForges fro when you first saw TNG, did you ever sit there thinking damn, that hair is just too ethnic for my tastes. No, because that show came out before every gob****e on YouTube, reddit and twitter decided those things were bad , and worth getting their panties up in a bunch over.

youcancallmeal · 08-12-2020 12:37am

I'm really not feeling discovery this season(Or previous seasons for that matter). The fact I only bothered watching the latest episode this evening says it all. I'm guessing it's because old school trek fans are not the target audience. I'm not particularly annoyed as it's been made clear over the last few years with this, Picard and the movies what direction they're heading in. I hope enough people are enjoying it and they keep making Star Trek shows though, it would be better than nothing.

PirateShampoo · 08-12-2020 1:02am

I loved that Books ship took 8 Photon Torpedos, Cannon blasts and whopped a battle cruiser.

If only the throw away villain knew all she had to do was fire Burnham at it and it would have sent the ship crashing into the planet.

Stark · 08-12-2020 3:34pm

Photon torpedoes shouldn't be much of an issue for a 32nd century ship in fairness.

CramCycle · 08-12-2020 3:52pm

PirateShampoo wrote: »

I loved that Books ship took 8 Photon Torpedos, Cannon blasts and whopped a battle cruiser.

If only the throw away villain knew all she had to do was fire Burnham at it and it would have sent the ship crashing into the planet.

the other issue, is why didn't she just blow discovery out of the water if she gives so little a f*ck about them or are they both in a cold war scenario where neither could take a war?

On a slight hint at realism, until she figured out to fly properly, and knew where to fire, they were down to 10% shields and nearly destroyed.

Bacchus · 08-12-2020 3:53pm

Fairly dull episode but a great example of Star Trek doing what it can do best.

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I like them approaching the identity subject with Adira - it's the sort of progressive thing Trek has always done... but I wish they had thought a little bit more about how they framed it. As it was, they just had a 'today' Earth conversation happen from a human 1500 years in the future. Which felt a bit lazy... I'd have liked if they put a little thought into how it works as a conversation in their context rather than in ours, with a sense of how conventions are in the future. This was a chance for them to literally 'be the change you want to see', by showing their ideal future version of this situation.

Goodshape wrote: »

NOT that I'm any authority on all things LGBT -- but I thought those scenes between Stamets, Adira, and Culber were pretty awful too to be honest. Just poor writing.

It would have been right at home and forward thinking in a contemporary high-school drama, with the student who's struggling and the teacher who gets it. Lovely moment.

But 1000 years into our bright Star Trek future? "Oh, good for you :-) - we'll update the ships records". "Thanks". DONE.

I disagree with the two views on how Adira "coming out" was handled. IMO, it was perfect. I don't see how there is ever a point in the future where one does not have to have that moment where they come out. In this instance, Adira would continue to be referred to as she/her unless she had that moment. What was perfectly Star Trek about it was that Stamets simple paused for a moment to register what they said and then just accepts it with an "ok" and a smile. No fuss, no drama. That is the change we want to see, to be at a point in society where coming out is a normal interaction with no prejudice. From Adira's side, I imagine it will always be a bit daunting to open up like that to someone for the first time. I don't know how they could have handled that scene better TBH.

CramCycle · 08-12-2020 4:08pm

Bacchus wrote: »

I disagree with the two views on how Adira "coming out" was handled. IMO, it was perfect. I don't see how there is ever a point in the future where one does not have to have that moment where they come out. In this instance, Adira would continue to be referred to as she/her unless she had that moment. What was perfectly Star Trek about it was that Stamets simple paused for a moment to register what they said and then just accepts it with an "ok" and a smile. No fuss, no drama. That is the change we want to see, to be at a point in society where coming out is a normal interaction with no prejudice. From Adira's side, I imagine it will always be a bit daunting to open up like that to someone for the first time. I don't know how they could have handled that scene better TBH.

Indeed, even when it is completely accepted, there will still be the fact that Adira was referred to as she and presumably provided no correction them self. So a small conversation will always had to be had. The fact that it took a second or two for the person to reset in their head that they need to change to they instead of her is I presume normal when everyone behaves, as they should and treats this as normal. they will reset it in the staff database and that's the end of it, brilliant.

~Rebel~ · 09-12-2020 2:05am

So, i'm not sure if wild speculation around the teaser for the next episode at the end of the last one counts as a spoiler, but I'll pop it in spoiler tags anyway to be safe in case anyone didn't' watch the "next week on...".

There's a moment where Michael and Georgiu are on a seemingly desolate ice planet - except that the grounds surface in front of them looks distinctly round, like the saucer section of a ship left buried beneath them. I'm wondering if this is the Music-Mystery/Distress call ship at the origin of The Burn, and in turn, if that ship is the Discovery-in-waiting from Calypso. And for more wild speculation, that Georgiu has to go off on some completing the circle time travel mission back in time, and off into her own series. I really hope most of this isn't true - especially that the Discovery-deux had anything to do with The Burn.

CramCycle · 09-12-2020 11:44am

~Rebel~ wrote: »

So, i'm not sure if wild speculation around the teaser for the next episode at the end of the last one counts as a spoiler, but I'll pop it in spoiler tags anyway to be safe in case anyone didn't' watch the "next week on...".

I never watch them as they either give to much away or just ruin the anticipation, maybe better to put it in next weeks episode thread?

silverharp · 15-12-2020 10:50am

Its teenagers in space, the cringe discussing what Suru would say when they go to warp. You can hear space battles from the surface of the planet, is that a new low in breaking junior school science rules? This series you have a chief engineer playing no part in the show except for watercooler conversations.

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