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21-11-2019, 17:46   #226
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George Lee is on Maura and Daithi now for more hyping and scaremongering...
I must lob a couple of shovels of coal on the fire and watch it on rte player in a while in comfort.
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21-11-2019, 20:24   #227
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The good news is if the planet is warming up we wont need to light fires anymore
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Here is a pic of the Liffey about 200m from O'Connell bridge. Its already more or less level with the road. I know there is an incline to O'Connell bridge but its clear that if we got 400mm of sea level rise by 2050 there would be a lot of problems along the Dublin quays.

An awful lot of flood defence work would need to be done around Ireland, but where would it stop, do we design for 1m, 2m, 5m?


Worth pointing out that most of the land in the image on either side of the river is reclaimed land. It used to be a mudflat and estuary. The more you pen a watercourse between concrete - from source to sea - the higher the tide. The more you build houses on floodplains, the more flooded houses you'll have. The more you build houses in hills subject to wild fires, the more wild fires you'll have and the more houses will burn.
I find it hilarious that bad engineering and awful planning decisions made for greed have somehow become conflated with climate change. Everyone seems surprised when floods happen. Like farmers on the Shannon standing in a flooded field for the 50th time in 50 years complaining that nothing has been done when the logical mind would tell him to go somewhere else to farm.
Climate change is happening, with or without human interference. One rogue asteroid could throw us into a 100 year winter. We are, by the looks of things, in a notable solar minimum which has coincided with exceptionally cold winters in the Northern hemisphere throughout history. It is rarely mentioned by those who believe CO 2 is the enemy.
Historic cold records and snow depths are being recorded across large parts of North America for this time of year. The same happened in spring and last autumn. Baffin Island is breaking snow records. That's where the Laurentian Glacier kicked off the last Ice Age.
Mention these things and the answer is always that these are regional impacts of CO2 based climate change.
It seems more credible that it's the Sun driving all of this, not cows farting
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How do we define when we have stopped climate change?
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How is it possible to have a colder year than the previous year?

With my basic understanding of AWG.

Humans have increased the amount of CO2, Methane and CFCs all of which are the leaders in AWG change. Water vapor being the largest contributor to the natural greenhouse (GH) effect ~60%?

So if the planet warms we get more water vapour which increase the GH effect?

I'm confused on a few things tho, we have increased our CO2 emissions year on year for the past 35 years, our farming industry for live stock is bigger than it's ever been. Our population continues to grow, we continue deforestation, no measure to to stop CO2 emissions has worked. So all of those factors that contributed to our theory on why 2016 was a hot year have increased. Yet potentially 2019 will show a decrease from 2016 temps.

I feel it's one of these things:
* Data is wrong
* We are collecting the wrong data
* Collecting data in the wrong places
* Warming contributors can also act as cooling agents
* We don't know
* The 2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ton fire ball in space is playing a larger factor than we give it credit


I'm conflicted on the topic because of the way it's handled and the neglect from the science community to tackle predictions or curves that don't meet warming agenda.
The political side is the most disturbing, the responsibility for this has been added to the avergae person. We are made feel guilty for driving our car or increasing our home heating from 24c to 26c. We light our houses with 40 watt bulbs. Al of this is BS.
Industry is the largest polluter, this is approved by state policies. We import bottled water from italy, cheap met from Argentina, garlic from China, Apples from South America, wine from Australia, books from India, clothes from Indonesia, electronics from Taiwan, cars from Japan.... The list goes on. Cheap foreign labor, making big business owners richer.

People who are truly concerned with the Climate should lobby for tax on foods out of season, add a higher import tax on goods which could be produced locally and subside house holds who contribute to the energy grid (to name a few). The tax increase on carbon based fuels has no evidence that it works to stem the release of CO2.

It seems the chain of command is - Wealthy >Economy >Environment >Population
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We want more tax god damn it...which wont do anything to stop climate change and will only benefit the wealthy corrupt people..lets go out marching for them

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I'm confused on a few things tho, we have increased our CO2 emissions year on year for the past 35 years, our farming industry for live stock is bigger than it's ever been. Our population continues to grow, we continue deforestation, no measure to to stop CO2 emissions has worked. So all of those factors that contributed to our theory on why 2016 was a hot year have increased. Yet potentially 2019 will show a decrease from 2016 temps.
Nabber you're assuming that the rise is perfectly linear it's not, during the warming period the rate of warming has varied and there are dips every so often in a line that is rising on the mean temperature graph.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/fe...ming/page2.php



Why the variations? ocean currents (El Nina/El Nino in the Pacific being the obvious example) but many others more subtle in nature and cause

http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/.../currents.html
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How do we define when we have stopped climate change?
When we've implemented enough taxes.
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How do we define when we have stopped climate change?
We won't. The best that can be achieved is to slow the rate. A large part of climate change is probably already baked in - in the oceans which will reach the point where absorption slows to a halt. It's not an infinite heat-sink due to the way ocean current work - upper and lower which are largely discreet and about 70% of the absorption is in the top 700 meters of seas which average 4 KM deep.

As oceans warm oxygen levels in the water fall and that will have it's own consequences for life.
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How do we define when we have stopped climate change?
I'd say the experts will tell us. Readings of Gas etc..someone like Greta I would think but the scary thing it might not be during her lifetime...
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The majority of the global average surface warming patterns come from the northern hemisphere. A primary driver is the range of very slowly-changing oceanic modes, such as the AMO and PDO. These signals are very clear in the temperature data (e.g. 1920-50s and 1980+). The other driver is increased land temperatures, in many cases due to increased urbanisation of stations.

Of course, year to year, shorter-term modes like El Niño and La Niña, etc., play a primary role too. Overall, we know very little about oceanic processes of large timescales, but for now it seems very clear that many climate trends (temperature, Arctic and Greenland ice-melt, etc.) owe much of their variability to the longer-term largescale drivers.
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When we've implemented enough taxes.
I've always wondered how a €15 bag of coal with €10 carbon tax added on, burns more cleanly than the same €15 bag of coal with just €5 carbon tax.

It's amazing. The nuggets of coal in the bag collectively know that they must release less C02 if more carbon tax has been paid. More carbon tax = more clever coal. Magic stuff.
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I've always wondered how a €15 bag of coal with €10 carbon tax added on, burns more cleanly than the same €15 bag of coal with just €5 carbon tax.

It's amazing. The nuggets of coal in the bag collectively know that they must release less C02 if more carbon tax has been paid. More carbon tax = more clever coal. Magic stuff.
Its similar to the carbon tax on the petrol and diesel in the budget this year
A couple of days later petrol and diesel prices were actually a couple of cent per litre lower than when the tax was added and still are
Shur what use is that

Governments definitely do use carbon taxes as a soft touch to bring in more money
If we saw them using the money to offset vrt on electric or hybrid vehicles, their motives would be more believable
But they won't because its all about bringing in money to be set against budget defecits
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Its similar to the carbon tax on the petrol and diesel in the budget this year
A couple of days later petrol and diesel prices were actually a couple of cent per litre lower than when the tax was added and still are
Shur what use is that

Governments definitely do use carbon taxes as a soft touch to bring in more money
If we saw them using the money to offset vrt on electric or hybrid vehicles, their motives would be more believable
But they won't because its all about bringing in money to be set against budget defecits
There are rebates on electric vehicles vrt, and various incentives and grants to move away from fossil fuels in general.

No politician likes raising taxes, anybody with the "its only an excuse to raise taxes" argument is a bit clueless about politicians motives tbh.
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