Red Cow "riot"

10000maniacs · 02-01-2020 12:40pm

Brian? wrote: »

Diversity my balls. The Red Cow, the Spawell and Cocos were are like this when I went there the odd time in the 90s. This is nothing new, only the faces are new.

I went there back in the day quite a bit. Never were there helicopters or riot police. Maybe a few drunk wide boys kicking their weight around. Nothing even close to the scale of what was going on in that video.

Telly · 02-01-2020 12:41pm

Brian? wrote: »

You think every nightclub fight is newsworthy?

Absolutely not. Did you see the videos of last night? There must have been about 30 squad cars and I don’t know how many guards.

Telly · 02-01-2020 12:43pm

afkasurfjunkie wrote: »

We have armed Garda support in Longford now. And it ain’t for the ‘Foreigner’ population. I’m sure there’s plenty of video evidence of that too.

Yeah but you can read about that in the papers. You won’t read about last night in the papers!

TwoMonthsOff · 02-01-2020 12:43pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDbCGQOGx8s

Sure Harcourt street has always been a kip

Bobblehats · 02-01-2020 12:46pm

But surreal seeing those types amidst the backdrop of that wonderful Georgian architecture...

Wibbs · 02-01-2020 12:50pm

10000maniacs wrote: »

I went there back in the day quite a bit. Never were there helicopters or riot police. Maybe a few drunk wide boys kicking their weight around. Nothing even close to the scale of what was going on in that video.

Exactly. I've been in a fair few "rough" clubs and pubs back in the day and yep witnessed a fair few scuffles and fights too, but like you say nowhere near the scale of that or the Leeson street stuff.

CrankyHaus · 02-01-2020 12:50pm

I wasn't bothered watching the whole video but when I scanned it I didn't see anything unusually bad for a rowdy closing time at a club with a rough crowd.

That said if there really were anything close to 20 Garda cars and a helicopter there then that's a concerning drain on Garda resources and if An Garda thought they needed those numbers that's also concerning.

Can't understand the argument many are putting on here that events like this should not be reported as they are business as usual and have been for decades. Nightlife in this country would not be sustainable if every club in the country needed a Garda helicopter and up to 20 cars to provide safety for patrons at closing time. The first step in addressing any problem, is addressing that it is a problem by bringing it out into the light.

Witcher · 02-01-2020 12:52pm

CrankyHaus wrote: »

I wasn't bothered watching the whole video but when I scanned it I didn't see anything unusually bad for a rowdy closing time at a club with a rough crowd.

That said if there really were anything close to 20 Garda cars and a helicopter there then that's a concerning drain on Garda resources and if An Garda thought they needed those numbers that's also concerning.

Can't understand the argument many are putting on here that events like this should not be reported as they are business as usual and have been for decades. Nightlife in this country would not be sustainable if every club in the country needed a Garda helicopter and up to 20 cars to provide safety for patrons at closing time. The first step in addressing any problem, is addressing that it is a problem by bringing it out into the light.

There's other videos of lads battering the ****e out of one another inside, glasses and chairs flying the lot.

DrumSteve · 02-01-2020 12:55pm

Diva was always a kip; and that fight on harcourt street is not overly unusual.

Time to unclutch the pearls I think.

Bobblehats · 02-01-2020 12:56pm

TwoMonthsOff wrote: »

I must be drinking in the right spots.

I’d be more interested my daughter is dancing in the right spots. Some don’t have such concerns!

TwoMonthsOff · 02-01-2020 12:57pm

Bobblehats wrote: »

I’d be more interested my daughter is dancing in the right spots. Some don’t have such concerns!

Ah my one is far from the age for being out dancing. But she knows the craic.

tayto lover · 02-01-2020 1:01pm

Time for the Garda to step in and give those responsible a good hiding.
These gangs are getting out of hand.

everlast75 · 02-01-2020 1:01pm

I find it notable that videos of fights of black people fighting get posted a hell of a lot more than people of white people fighting. It's great though, because you don't have to come out and say something openly racist, but you can intimate it by saying "this is the multi-culture society you want" and then claim shock when you're called out on it.

TwoMonthsOff · 02-01-2020 1:02pm

everlast75 wrote: »

I find it notable that videos of fights of black people fighting get posted a hell of a lot more than people of white people fighting. It's great though, because you don't have to come out and say something openly racist, but you can intimate it by saying "this is the multi-culture society you want" and then claim shock when you're called out on it.

Where is your evidence for this claim?

everlast75 · 02-01-2020 1:05pm

TwoMonthsOff wrote: »

Where is your evidence for this claim?

which part?

please be more specific.

elperello · 02-01-2020 1:05pm

everlast75 wrote: »

I find it notable that videos of fights of black people fighting get posted a hell of a lot more than people of white people fighting. It's great though, because you don't have to come out and say something openly racist, but you can intimate it by saying "this is the multi-culture society you want" and then claim shock when you're called out on it.

I think we should be "colour blind" in dealing with this type of thuggery.

nullzero · 02-01-2020 1:05pm

everlast75 wrote: »

I find it notable that videos of fights of black people fighting get posted a hell of a lot more than people of white people fighting. It's great though, because you don't have to come out and say something openly racist, but you can intimate it by saying "this is the multi-culture society you want" and then claim shock when you're called out on it.

There sadly seems to be an issue with large groups of certain people gathering either for the expressed purpose of fighting or watching a fight.

If you attach the labels "black" or "travellers" to this you will be describing what's happening but you will also be discriminating against them for saying so.

So what happens? Nothing.
Nothing is done to stop these problems because nobody wants to be seen to be a bigot.

DrumSteve · 02-01-2020 1:05pm

Bobblehats wrote: »

I’d be less nervous for her in a mosh pit. I don’t mind her wearing black; but not that sort..

Pits are usually well regulated by those in them, anyone getting out of line gets put in their place pretty quickly.

TwoMonthsOff · 02-01-2020 1:06pm

everlast75 wrote: »

which part?

please be more specific.

You said videos of blacks fighting gets posted more than whites fighting. I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion.

everlast75 · 02-01-2020 1:08pm

TwoMonthsOff wrote: »

You said videos of blacks fighting gets posted more than whites fighting. I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion.

From my social media, where else?

On twitter this morning there was footage of a fight outside a club on Harcourt Street.

I come on to boards and here is another.

I am telling you that is what is in my feed.

Are you disputing the rest of what I said?

TwoMonthsOff · 02-01-2020 1:09pm

everlast75 wrote: »

From my social media, where else?

On twitter this morning there was footage of a fight outside a club on Harcourt Street.

I come on to boards and here is another.

I am telling you that is what is in my feed.

Are you disputing the rest of what I said?

So no real evidence then. Ok.

nullzero · 02-01-2020 1:09pm

everlast75 wrote: »

From my social media, where else?

On twitter this morning there was footage of a fight outside a club on Harcourt Street.

I come on to boards and here is another.

I am telling you that is what is in my feed.

Are you disputing the rest of what I said?

There's probably loads more videos of travellers fighting than black kids outside night clubs tbf.

CrankyHaus · 02-01-2020 1:10pm

everlast75 wrote: »

From my social media, where else?

On twitter this morning there was footage of a fight outside a club on Harcourt Street.

I come on to boards and here is another.

I am telling you that is what is in my feed.

Are you disputing the rest of what I said?

Well unless you know of affrays of a similar scale at the same time involving white participants how do you know there is any bias?
Whatever people try to claim violent incidents requiring the Garda helicopter and double digit squadcars are not normal.

Guy:Incognito · 02-01-2020 1:10pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Perhaps.

That does not mean we, as a society, should shrug our shoulders and say "they happen to be of African extraction, so what?".

This does not bode well for integration and what you are seeing in Ireland is the embryonic beginning of the trouble in other western European countries some of which have been dealing with for decades involving social disorder and rioting in minority communities.

That is something we need to be concerned about and burying our heads in the sand is not the answer.

I don't like seeing this like most.

Most troubling from my perspective is whether the gardai and the justice system are properly equipped to deal with it. I'm sure i'm not the only one with concerns in that regard.

If anything they are integrating right in with the native population and doing as they do.

You're seeing the ones that are integrating with the knacker element.

You're hardly going to see videos of the ones integrating with study groups in school

everlast75 · 02-01-2020 1:12pm

nullzero wrote: »

There sadly seems to be an issue with large groups of certain people gathering either for the expressed purpose of fighting or watching a fight.

If you attach the labels "black" or "travellers" to this you will be describing what's happening but you will also be discriminating against them for saying so.

So what happens? Nothing.
Nothing is done to stop these problems because nobody wants to be seen to be a bigot.

Not true.

They are humans fighting. That's it.

You'd swear the indigenous warfare was not raging in this country for years.

If you attach labels then you are inviting those with an axe to grind to use it as a proverbial stick. It is easier to point to "the other" as someone to fear.

The problem here is anti-social behaviour and criminality in general.

The solution is lack of policing and community interaction, proper sentencing and proper prisons.

It is that simple.

everlast75 · 02-01-2020 1:13pm

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Well unless you know of affrays of a similar scale at the same time involving white participants how do you know there is any bias?
Whatever people try to claim violent incidents requiring the Garda helicopter and double digit squadcars are not normal.

Have you been to Swords lately, for example? And it is ALL irish.

A lad was shot dead on my dad's road in Dublin 15 before Christmas. An irish lad, shot by another irish lad.

Stop the nonsense, please.

Guy:Incognito · 02-01-2020 1:14pm

TwoMonthsOff wrote: »

20 garda cars and the helicopter for a simple pub fight.. you can show some video evidence of something of a similar magnitude?

Theres maybe 20 gardai there. I'm not seeing 20 garda cars.

Treppen · 02-01-2020 1:15pm

Bobblehats wrote: »

I’d be less nervous for her in a mosh pit. I don’t mind her wearing black; but not that sort..

Wearing black? Are you serious? Your like a racist character out of Shakespeare's Othello... That was a few hundred years ago btw.

seannash · 02-01-2020 1:16pm

everlast75 wrote: »

From my social media, where else?

On twitter this morning there was footage of a fight outside a club on Harcourt Street.

I come on to boards and here is another.

I am telling you that is what is in my feed.

Are you disputing the rest of what I said?

Your feed is somewhat your own making though. If your following people who are posting up fights only involving a certain demographic then stop following them.
Its a well known fact now that social media shows you content that envokes a reaction.
So you should probably change your feed

everlast75 · 02-01-2020 1:18pm

TwoMonthsOff wrote: »

So no real evidence then. Ok.

You asked where i saw what I saw.

I told you.

Your snippy reply doesn't acknowledge that.

Are you saying I didn't see them?

I also asked you if you had an issue with the rest of what I said.

So I'll ask you a second time. Do you have an issue with the rest of what I said?

Red Cow "riot"

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