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Are Sinn Féin anti-Catholic?

  • 02-08-2020 10:31am
    #1
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭


    Looking at Twitter the last couple of days it seems full of Sinn Fein bots attacking anyone who indicates their a catholic , this Fintan warfield guy who’s having a laugh at the pope in his underpants seems to be a hero of the New Sinn Fein types ?
    Seems like Sinn Fein in the past couple of years has been taken over by the far left , wonder what the late Martin Mcguiness a devout catholic would make of all these new Sinn Fein crowd particularly in the South ?


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  • #2
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,542 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Stop looking at twitter.

    Solves so many problems.


  • #3
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Sf will be whatever the ‘most vunderable’ in society want them to be. Its about picking up the low hanging fruit votes.


  • #4
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Sf will be whatever the ‘most vunderable’ in society want them to be. Its about picking up the low hanging fruit votes.

    One thing in the north, a different thing in the south. Left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.


  • #5
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Sf will be whatever the ‘most vunderable’ in society want them to be. Its about picking up the low hanging vegetable votes.

    Fixed your post.


  • #6
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,947 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Looking at Twitter the last couple of days it seems full of Sinn Fein bots attacking anyone who indicates their a catholic , this Fintan warfield guy who’s having a laugh at the pope in his underpants seems to be a hero of the New Sinn Fein types ?
    Seems like Sinn Fein in the past couple of years has been taken over by the far left , wonder what the late Martin Mcguiness a devout catholic would make of all these new Sinn Fein crowd particularly in the South ?




    ...and a supporter of same sex marriage......


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  • #7
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    Odhinn wrote: »
    ...and a supporter of same sex marriage......

    Doubt if he would be impressed with warfield in his underpants making fun of the pope ? .... would this new Sinn Fein crowd make fun of Martin McGuiness for saying a few prayers ?


  • #8
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,785 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    the late Martin Mcguiness a devout catholic
    Are devout Catholics allowed to kill and oversee terrorism?


  • #9
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Are devout Catholics allowed to kill and oversee terrorism?

    Allowed by whom? ,It's probably frowned upon by the church itself, but as far as the Irish state goes, I believe Michael Collins, Dev, and even Eoin ODuffy were all Catholics too, so tolerated.


  • #10
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,764 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The point really was that Fintan Warfield is being subjected to vile homophobic abuse. The anti catholic whataboutery is a deflection.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #11
    Chalk McHugh
    Registered Users Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭Chalk McHugh


    Maybe mcguiness felt the need to pray and confess to all his plotting and bombing of innocent people. Hardly carrying out God's message and the teachings of the Bible now in fairness. The complete opposite.


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  • #12
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    The point really was that Fintan Warfield is being subjected to vile homophobic abuse. The anti catholic whataboutery is a deflection.

    But he's a shinner - so fair game apparently, however look at Leo sideways and you hear the "homophobic" accusations flying around like flys over dog turds.


  • #13
    hurler32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭hurler32


    It’s seems in the south at least many of the younger crowd in Sinn Fein are more interested in abortions and travellers rights than a United Ireland .


  • #14
    hurler32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭hurler32


    Two farmer brothers in their 50s used always sell an phoblacht in our local pubs in the 80s and 90s , both teetotaller, the only other time you’d seen them was at mass on Sunday . They never bothered anyone locally and if anything were very good helpers on tidy towns , community draws etc . Not sure bar selling the papers were they up to much else but in New Sinn Féin’s world would they be ridiculed for been catholic’s


  • #15
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,279 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Warfield is the wokest of the woke

    I know, as I’ve had the pleasure of listening to him drone on and on at a meeting a few months back

    Not an impressive character

    Fun fact - he’s related to the Wolfe tones warfields


  • #16
    John Hutton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    Elements of SF have become quite woke and love the identity politics stuff. They have abandoned class based politics.

    Warfield was making fun of tbe Pope. Fine if you think that is ok, but pretending that any criticism of the picture is homophobic is ridiculous. Sure, homophobes have used the picture as an excuse to engage in terrible attacks, but criticism of the picture is not in and of itself homophobic.

    There's a weird double think going on, where it's commendable to celebrate and attend Muslim festivals in Croke Park, but the Catholic church and catholics must be attacked and belittled at every turn. What is going on?


  • #17
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,302 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Are Sinn Féin anti-Catholic? Hopefully.
    The further or parties in Ireland move away from the church the better


  • #18
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,279 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    John Hutton wrote: »
    Elements of SF have become quite woke and love the identity politics stuff. They have abandoned class based politics.

    Warfield was making fun of tbe Pope. Fine if you think that is ok, but pretending that any criticism of the picture is homophobic is ridiculous. Sure, homophobes have used the picture as an excuse to engage in terrible attacks, but criticism of the picture is not in and of itself homophobic.

    There's a weird double think going on, where it's commendable to celebrate and attend Muslim festivals in Croke Park, but the Catholic church and catholics must be attacked and belittled at every turn. What is going on?

    Yep, colleague said similar, would warfield have the cajones to challenge the Islamic faith for their homophobic beliefs?


  • #19
    John Hutton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Are Sinn Féin anti-Catholic? Hopefully.
    The further or parties in Ireland move away from the church the better

    Should we not want to live in a country where people can freely worship without mockery, abuse or worse?

    Rework your sentence and see if you still agree... Insert "anti Muslim, anti Protestant, and Hindu, anti black" etc.

    No political party should be anti any group of citizens. Instead their job should be to have a society where people can coexist


  • #20
    John Hutton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Are Sinn Féin anti-Catholic? Hopefully.
    The further or parties in Ireland move away from the church the better

    Should we not want to live in a country where people can freely worship without mockery, abuse or worse?

    Rework your sentence and see if you still agree... Insert "anti Muslim, anti Protestant, and Hindu, anti black" etc.

    No political party should be anti any group of citizens. Instead their job should be to have a society where people can coexist


  • #21
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,302 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    John Hutton wrote: »
    Should we not want to live in a country where people can freely worship without mockery, abuse or worse?

    Rework your sentence and see if you still agree... Insert "anti Muslim, anti Protestant, and Hindu, anti black" etc.

    No political party should be anti any group of citizens. Instead their job should be to have a society where people can coexist

    True they should not be anti but not pro either which was the default in this country for years and caused horrific damage. But comparison to those other groups is a bit simplistic as the Irish need to be able to slag off the RC church as part of our political and cultural satire in a way we dont need to with minority groups


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  • #22
    TheValeyard
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    Why would you take a pic like thay anyway? Seems Like an odd way to get attention

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



  • #23
    John Hutton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    True they should not be anti but not pro either which was the default in this country for years and caused horrific damage. But comparison to those other groups is a bit simplistic as the Irish need to be able to slag off the RC church as part of our political and cultural satire in a way we dont need to with minority groups

    This doesn't add up.

    Protestants were responsible for untold horrors for centuries in Ireland, but if someone started labelling themselves anti Protestant or celebrating anti protestantism you'd rightly call them a bigot.

    Please elaborate further on why we "need" to slag off the Catholic church, I don't quite follow.


  • #24
    John Hutton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    TheValeyard wrote: »
    Why would you take a pic like thay anyway? Seems Like an odd way to get attention

    Being on holidays and celebrating his sexuality isn't necessarily a bad thing.

    Why wear a picture of tbe Pope when doing it is the question.


  • #25
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    'Far left' is it? Seems to be the new stick all right.

    There would be many Catholics in the membership but I'd certainly not call them anti catholic. That's just looking for another angle to attack IMO. Pretty poor.


  • #26
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    John Hutton wrote: »
    Elements of SF have become quite woke and love the identity politics stuff. They have abandoned class based politics.

    Warfield was making fun of tbe Pope. Fine if you think that is ok, but pretending that any criticism of the picture is homophobic is ridiculous. Sure, homophobes have used the picture as an excuse to engage in terrible attacks, but criticism of the picture is not in and of itself homophobic.

    There's a weird double think going on, where it's commendable to celebrate and attend Muslim festivals in Croke Park, but the Catholic church and catholics must be attacked and belittled at every turn. What is going on?

    It's people making fun of the photo who are often calling any criticism of Varadkar homophobic based is the thing. Not everyone just some folk desperate to use even a person's sexuality to try score a point on an anonymous forum. Sad.

    People talk out the side of their mouth on many issues such as asylum seekers. And when SF show to support them they claim their supporters aren't happy which is a contradiction.
    The catholic thing is a nothing. I'd image more young folk are moving away from the church no matter their politics.


  • #27
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,302 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    John Hutton wrote: »
    This doesn't add up.

    Protestants were responsible for untold horrors for centuries in Ireland, but if someone started labelling themselves anti Protestant or celebrating anti protestantism you'd rightly call them a bigot.

    Please elaborate further on why we "need" to slag off the Catholic church, I don't quite follow.

    Need to be allowed yes. The Catholic church willingly and enthusiastically planted themselves in every aspect of the Irish state including trying to influence politics and politicians and bullying anyone who spoke against them so therefore have opened themselves up to satire.

    And we do make jokes in this country all the time about the British who caused untold horrors so don't pretend we dont.

    It was the church in Ireland set them selves aside as special in this country so don't be complaining now if they are treated as special


  • #28
    Paddygreen
    Registered Users Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    When I was in college looking for a left of center international socialist party to join I chose the Green Party. Way too many shifty Decos and bearded Luke Kelly wannabes in Sinn Fein for my taste. Add to that the fact that Mary sounds and comes across as the best cure for insomnia in Ireland. I know Eamon can be an insufferable bore a lot of the time but when AMMCC lights the fire in his belly he is like a man possessed by the spirit of Marx.


  • #29
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Need to be allowed yes. The Catholic church willingly and enthusiastically planted themselves in every aspect of the Irish state including trying to influence politics and politicians and bullying anyone who spoke against them so therefore have opened themselves up to satire.

    And we do make jokes in this country all the time about the British who caused untold horrors so don't pretend we dont.

    It was the church in Ireland set them selves aside as special in this country so don't be complaining now if they are treated as special

    The church always put it's own interests first.
    If we want to go that route, who helped fund King Billy ffs...


  • #30
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,302 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Bowie wrote: »
    The church always put it's own interests first.
    If we want to go that route, who helped fund King Billy ffs...

    Not sure what your point is there?


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  • #31
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Not sure what your point is there?

    The pope at the time supported King Billy, the church supported British rule when it was in their interest,


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