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FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

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    #9662
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I never suggested cancelling the Arts. Merely suggested that unemployed people, from any field, should seriously consider upskilling. There are possibly thousands of people who find themselves unemployed as a direct result of the Covid pandemic. Rather than relying on handouts from the state, they might find accepting a hand up instead in the form of upskilling a better option.

    My comment was regarding what HH said regarding the arts. It's not so simple to tell an entire entertainment industry to look elsewhere for work. We need them. Many working other jobs as is. Besides that industry brings in a lot of revenue.
    Covid payments are for people who's industry has yet to fully reopen. That's the whole point. Things change all the time. Many of us switch jobs over the years. That's not a new concept. Upskilling from film producer to remote working admin temp?


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    #9663
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Bowie wrote: »
    My comment was regarding what HH said regarding the arts. It's not so simple to tell an entire entertainment industry to look elsewhere for work. We need them. Many working other jobs as is. Besides that industry brings in a lot of revenue.
    Covid payments are for people who's industry has yet to fully reopen. That's the whole point. Things change all the time. Many of us switch jobs over the years. That's not a new concept. Upskilling from film producer to remote working admin temp?

    Get the notion Heather doesn't approve of the Arts, using her position to further her puritanical views


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    #9664
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Bowie wrote: »
    My comment was regarding what HH said regarding the arts. It's not so simple to tell an entire entertainment industry to look elsewhere for work. We need them. Many working other jobs as is. Besides that industry brings in a lot of revenue.
    Covid payments are for people who's industry has yet to fully reopen. That's the whole point. Things change all the time. Many of us switch jobs over the years. That's not a new concept. Upskilling from film producer to remote working admin temp?

    What’s wrong with using this time to learn a new skill? Think outside the box. Stretch oneself. Try something new.


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    #9665
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    I see Dara Murphy made the news today again, creaming it every which way he could was Dara, Brussels Job, job he was supposed to be doing in Ireland, and made a tidy profit from a consultancy firm he set up over in Brussels while getting paid by the tax payers here.

    Dara is no soft tyre, but it does FG no favours in trying to shake off the money grabbing reputation.

    A consultancy firm set up by "absentee TD" Dara Murphy to handle payments from his Brussels-based job while he continued to earn around €145,000 a year in the Dáil made a profit of over €60,000 last year.

    Newly filed accounts for Epecon Limited show the company recorded profits of €60,438 during the 12 months to the end of June 2019 - during which time Mr Murphy was also a Fine Gael TD.

    The firm had a cash pile of €128,533 at the end of this period, and had accumulated profits of €86,703 since it was established in September 2017, when the former minister landed a job as campaign director with the European People's Party (EPP).

    Mr Murphy was branded an "absentee TD" by then-opposition leader Micheál Martin after it emerged he had the lowest attendance of all 158 TDs, and had not spoken in the Dáil for almost two years


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    #9666
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What’s wrong with using this time to learn a new skill? Think outside the box. Stretch oneself. Try something new.

    Lots of musicians have expensive equipment, FG put them out of business are we looking at sugar beet type compensation ?


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    #9667
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    It is really the other members of the Coalition and the current FF leadership that need a bit of monitoring now IMV.

    They have been abysmal and not a wet week in office either. Look.... over there at FG! Sure why not.


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    #9668
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    It is really the other members of the Coalition and the current FF leadership that need a bit of monitoring now IMV.

    They have been abysmal and not a wet week in office either. Look.... over there at FG! Sure why not.

    We've gathered up the stupidest c##ts in the land and put them in government, it doesn't matter if it's FF, FG, Greens or Lowry their all pathetic money grabbing lowlifes


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    #9669
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,052 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Lots of musicians have expensive equipment, FG put them out of business are we looking at sugar beet type compensation ?

    How do you deduce it was FG who “put them out of business?


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    #9670
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    How do you deduce it was FG who “put them out of business?

    Pub can show football but can't have someone singing in the corner, FG made this decision,


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    #9671
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,052 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Pub can show football but can't have someone singing in the corner, FG made this decision,

    With respect I would suggest that it was public health considerations which prompted that decision.

    That is public safety for all of us.


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    #9672
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    With respect I would suggest that it was public health considerations which prompted that decision.

    That is public safety for all of us.

    Disagree , bookies are usually beside the pub, letting them show football and the shouting and spitting that comes with it is somehow safer than some lad singing


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    #9673
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    It is really the other members of the Coalition and the current FF leadership that need a bit of monitoring now IMV.

    They have been abysmal and not a wet week in office either. Look.... over there at FG! Sure why not.

    Nobody is deflecting for FF. Varadkar has kept all the trappings and we never got rid of them and this is FG thread so they come up.
    FF should have been disbanded in the public interest IMO.

    With HH's stellar performance and LV's....
    Tánaiste Leo Varadkar will keep the use of diplomatic officials who help VIPs to plan his official events.
    The former Taoiseach has already retained his aide-de-camp in his newly beefed-up role.

    The Fine Gael leader's high profile as Tánaiste is causing some disquiet as it has raised questions about who is in charge of the Government - Taoiseach Micheál Martin or Mr Varadkar.
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/vip-varadkar-tanaiste-keeps-diplomatic-officers-for-official-events-39417566.html


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    #9674
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »

    They have been abysmal and not a wet week in office either. Look.... over there at FG! Sure why not.

    **Checks thread title**

    Yep, this is a thread about FG....... Look over there at someone else in the FG thread:confused:


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    #9675
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,052 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Disagree , bookies are usually beside the pub, letting them show football and the shouting and spitting that comes with it is somehow safer than some lad singing

    Very good, but for me I go with the advice of qualified medical personnel which the govt undoubtedly had.

    Tough for the trade, very tough, but serious public issues will always come first.

    Unless we want to be like Melbourne and be declared a disaster area?

    We don’t want that do we?

    Those in charge have to make tough decisions that’s why they are there

    Blaming them fo making those decisions is foolhardy.


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    #9676
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    Very good, but for me I go with the advice of qualified medical personnel which the govt undoubtedly had.

    Tough for the trade, very tough, but serious public issues will always come first.

    Unless we want to be like Melbourne and be declared a disaster area?

    We don’t want that do we?

    Those in charge have to make tough decisions that’s why they are there

    Blaming them fo making those decisions is foolhardy.

    Get the notion FG aren't big fans of music, certain members would give the Taliban a run for their money in the no fun stakes


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    #9677
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,052 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Get the notion FG aren't big fans of music, certain members would give the Taliban a run for their money in the no fun stakes

    Would have to disagree there, I would suggest that they acted in accordance with qualified professional advice and in the interests of the vast majority of the public.

    A visit to an overcrowded intensive care unit and a spell on a ventilator doesn’t rate highly in the ‘fun stakes’ I’m reliably told, nor would schools being unable to open due to spikes of infection springing up.

    Check it out.


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    #9678
    padd b1975
    Registered Users Posts: 10,703 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Lots of musicians have expensive equipment, FG put them out of business are we looking at sugar beet type compensation ?

    I'm looking for an oldish electro acoustic Takamine if you hear of anyone selling one.


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    #9679
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    some arbitrary shadowy subset of citizens who happened to have just paid fees to FG.

    I'm sure the rank and file of FG would appreciate being called an arbitrary shadowy subset


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    #9680
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,052 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Get the notion Heather doesn't approve of the Arts, using her position to further her puritanical views

    How do you deduce that?

    I get the notion you want Dublin to be like Melbourne and curfews in force , hundreds of new cases, and many deaths.

    It’s almost out of control there. Haven’t you heard?


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    #9681
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Lots of musicians have expensive equipment, FG put them out of business are we looking at sugar beet type compensation ?

    FG or Covid? Nothing wrong with them keeping up their practice while learning a new skill.


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    #9682
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Deleted User wrote: »
    FG or Covid? Nothing wrong with them keeping up their practice while learning a new skill.

    FG used the opportunities that Covd offered to attack certain sectors they didn't like, Allowing pubs to show football so that the bookies stay flush yet attacking the musicians because some may have sung songs Heather doesn't like.


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    #9683
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Deleted User wrote: »
    FG or Covid? Nothing wrong with them keeping up their practice while learning a new skill.

    Do you believe Heather Humphreys is a puritanical bigot who hates music?


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    #9684
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    It's about attacking people in jobs not deemed important by HH. Fresh from using PUP recipients as scapegoat over some travelling sees moved on to people in the arts.
    It's the typical FG propaganda of looking to section of society who need a dig out and criticising them for availing of that dig out.
    The Covid payments are to help people survive while their industry is partially or fully closed. That's the point. We all agreed it's a good idea. Now she is trying to make recipients look like spongers. She is either ignorant and doing what she is told or has no regard for the arts or entertainment industry and is happy to use them as fodder in her latest PR stunt.
    The covid payments are there to support sections of the public during Covid. They should not be attacked for receiving them.


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    #9685
    Truthvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Do you believe Heather Humphreys is a puritanical bigot who hates music?

    Is this for real? Surely there is some real issue they can be criticised for.

    No ...? Oh well sure let's pile in.

    Leo is secretly the result of a chemical experiment carried our by the Blueshirts with Nazi Doctors in 1932 to create a Lizard People Overlord Master Race but blah blah blah forever


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    #9686
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Bowie wrote: »
    It's about attacking people 8n jobs not deemed important by HH. Fresh from using PUP recipients as scapegoat over some travelling sees moved on to people in the arts.
    It's the typical FG propaganda of looking to section of society who need a dig out and criticising them for availing of that dig out.
    The Covid payments are to help people survive while their industry is partially or fully closed. That's the point. We all agreed it's a good idea. Now she is trying to make recipients look like spongers. She is either ignorant and doing what she is told or has no rega5d for the arts or entertainment industry and is happy to use them as fodder in her latest PR stunt.
    The covid payments are there to support sections of the public during Covid. They should not be attacked for receiving them.

    It’s about helping people try alternatives. Many thousands of us have to do so down the years. Isn’t it a condition of receipt of unemployment benefits that one is actively seeking employment or training?


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    #9687
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Truthvader wrote: »
    So bitter when they're caught out
    Truthvader wrote: »
    Is this for real? Surely there is some real issue they can be criticised for.

    No ...? Oh well sure let's pile in.

    Leo is secretly the result of a chemical experiment carried our by the Blueshirts with Nazi Doctors in 1932 to create a Lizard People Overlord Master Race but blah blah blah forever

    Stop talking shyte, HH is a deeply conservative minister who disproves of entertainment in General, trying to conflate it with the tinfoil hat wearers is typical FG, Leo is yesterday's man,bringing up his name to get him attention is quite sad.


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    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It’s about helping people try alternatives. Many thousands of us have to do so down the years. Isn’t it a condition of receipt of unemployment benefits that one is actively seeking employment or training?

    Pup isnt unemployment benefit in reality, you are telling people to find alternative work while in theory their current job still exists,
    I think this is a scam by FG to avoid statutory redundancy payments, if you have a new job you wouldn't be in line for redundancy payments


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    #9689
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Pup isnt unemployment benefit in reality, you are telling people to find alternative work while in theory their current job still exists,
    I think this is a scam by FG to avoid statutory redundancy payments, if you have a new job you wouldn't be in line for redundancy payments

    Really? Try educating yourself before posting such nonsense.

    “ To qualify for the COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment, you must:

    Be aged between 18 and 66
    Live in the Republic of Ireland
    Have been in employment or self-employment immediately before Friday 13 March 2020. If you work shifts, short time or other atypical work patterns you must have been in employment on or after 6 March 2020.
    Have lost your job or be temporarily laid off from work or asked to stay at home from work due to the COVID-19 public health emergency
    Be self-employed and your trading income has ceased due to the COVID-19 public health emergency or your trading income has collapsed to the extent that you are available to take up other full-time employment. You do not need to de-register as self-employed to get a payment.
    Be genuinely seeking work
    Not be getting any income from employment”

    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/covid19_pandemic_unemployment_payment.html


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    #9690
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Really? Try educating yourself before posting such nonsense.

    “ To qualify for the COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment, you must:

    Be aged between 18 and 66
    Live in the Republic of Ireland
    Have been in employment or self-employment immediately before Friday 13 March 2020. If you work shifts, short time or other atypical work patterns you must have been in employment on or after 6 March 2020.
    Have lost your job or be temporarily laid off from work or asked to stay at home from work due to the COVID-19 public health emergency
    Be self-employed and your trading income has ceased due to the COVID-19 public health emergency or your trading income has collapsed to the extent that you are available to take up other full-time employment. You do not need to de-register as self-employed to get a payment.
    Be genuinely seeking work
    Not be getting any income from employment”

    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/covid19_pandemic_unemployment_payment.html

    But if you take up employment you won't be eligible for any redundancy payments, is that not true?


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    #9691
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It’s about helping people try alternatives. Many thousands of us have to do so down the years. Isn’t it a condition of receipt of unemployment benefits that one is actively seeking employment or training?

    This is payments for people who's industry or company is closed during a pandemic.
    You're thinking of Social Welfare. Heather is picking on the arts because everyone but multinationals and banks, who get a dig out are spongers. It's nasty FG spin.


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