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Are accents being lost?

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    #62
    GreenFolder2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭GreenFolder2


    Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »
    I've spent the last 30 years in Cork, but I still sound like I've just "cum up from t' pit" :(

    And why do certain Irish people insist on asking me if I'm "owrite moite" in an Eastenders accent? God, I hate that :mad:

    I was actually really annoyed when this random yank on an Irish train asked me where I was from. I said Dublin and he told me "you oughta work on your Irish accent buddy".

    I told him he oghta work on his social skills!

    (I wasn't even speaking to him! This was from over hearing me take phone call)

    I hate that attitude. It's not an Irish themed part of Disneyland. Clearly I wasn't doing a jig while saying be gorragh and be jeepers to be sure to be sure


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    #63
    Hanwellian
    Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭Hanwellian


    Because all English people have an accent that's between Barking and Basildon.............

    Ummm, no. Never heard anyone from the West Country, Liverpool, Yorkshire, Newcastle, Birmingham, I could go on. Not alike at all.

    Even Londoner's have variations of accent, e.g. West London and South London are varied.


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    #64
    Winterlong
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Winterlong


    I was down home over the christmas and got an awful slagging for losing my accent. I left home 25 years ago.
    But the dubs slag me for my non-dublin accent.

    #Cantwin.


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    #65
    uch
    Registered Users Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭uch


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I'm talking real african, the congo, nigeria type

    My niece was born in Uganda to a Tanzanian mother and speaks with a thick Wicklow accent.

    21/25



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    #66
    leakyboots
    Registered Users Posts: 5,906 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I'm talking real african, the congo, nigeria type

    Sean Og (and his mom/mam/mammy) was born in Fiji, not Africa ;)


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    #67
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    GreenFolder2 wrote: »
    I was actually really annoyed when this random yank on an Irish train asked me where I was from. I said Dublin and he told me "you oughta work on your Irish accent buddy".

    I told him he oghta work on his social skills!

    (I wasn't even speaking to him! This was from over hearing me take phone call)

    I hate that attitude. It's not an Irish themed part of Disneyland. Clearly I wasn't doing a jig while saying be gorragh and be jeepers to be sure to be sure

    Please tell me you actually bluntly told him to work on his social skills. What a clown that Yank was. You should have asked him what did he really know about Irish life.

    What was his reaction ?


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    #68
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,199 ✭✭✭troyzer


    Slightly unrelated but a general comment on the power of media to influence accents. When I was living in Albania I was staying with a man and his family. I knew the man before but the only common language we had was German, he doesn't have a word of English. His daughter however, was born post-communism and so her English is excellent. I'm not joking when I say you could place her in the middle of the US and she'd be fine. Her accent is perfect American, completely indistinguishable. The interesting thing was that she lived in rural Albania and didn't get to actually speak the language frequently. She taught herself English just from watching American TV.

    *Edit* Not just TV. There's a government sponsored organisation in America called the Peace Corps which takes college graduates and sends them abroad for two years to teach English in Indonesia, build houses in South Africa and that kind of thing. So she was largely self taught by American TV but also American English teachers.


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    #69
    Didas
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭Didas


    Rightwing wrote: »
    It will be interesting to hear a young black man or pole from kerry, will they have that accent

    What about Donegal?



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    #70
    topper75
    Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Accents are revealing.

    If somebody speaks in the accent of the place they are from regardless of context, chances are that you're dealing with a confident and self-assured person.

    If their accent is an affection and bears no relation to their origins, I'll make the leap and assume that they have confidence issues and there are insecurities about how they are perceived by others - of course, we all like to be perceived well by others but changing your accent goes too far and is telling.


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    #71
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,199 ✭✭✭troyzer


    topper75 wrote: »
    Accents are revealing.

    If somebody speaks in the accent of the place they are from regardless of context, chances are that you're dealing with a confident and self-assured person.

    If their accent is an affection and bears no relation to their origins, I'll make the leap and assume that they have confidence issues and there are insecurities about how they are perceived by others - of course, we all like to be perceived well by others but changing your accent goes too far and is telling.

    What if the accent of the area is in and of itself an affection? I'm thinking of the D4 accent.


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    #72
    schizo1014
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    Didas wrote: »
    What about Donegal?

    I know a few Black people here that speak with a better Donegal accent than some locals.

    One thing I find odd is people from Donegal who like to boost about the Donegal accent being "the best in the world" when they sound like something off MTV. Aye right yas fecking eejits

    As for the OP I don't think they are being lost, not in rural areas at least. 10 minutes either direction of my home and people have nearly completely different accents I'm sure its the same elsewhere?


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    #73
    mikhail
    Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭mikhail


    Glenster wrote: »
    I know what faux means.

    I just meant, surely someone's accent is their accent.

    Just because they aren't talking like their great uncle Pol who ate silage for breakfast lunch and dinner doesn't mean their accent is less acceptable surely.
    That's pretty much what I said, but with 100% less sarcasm.
    Hanwellian wrote: »
    Because all English people have an accent that's between Barking and Basildon.............

    Ummm, no. Never heard anyone from the West Country, Liverpool, Yorkshire, Newcastle, Birmingham, I could go on. Not alike at all.

    Even Londoner's have variations of accent, e.g. West London and South London are varied.
    The guy you are responding to was being sarcastic.

    I'm beginning to think that accents aside, we have a national crisis in sarcasm detection.
    topper75 wrote: »
    Accents are revealing.

    If somebody speaks in the accent of the place they are from regardless of context, chances are that you're dealing with a confident and self-assured person.

    If their accent is an affection and bears no relation to their origins, I'll make the leap and assume that they have confidence issues and there are insecurities about how they are perceived by others - of course, we all like to be perceived well by others but changing your accent goes too far and is telling.
    I'll make a leap and assume that someone who has a problem with accent drift is deeply insecure about their nationality and clings to audible signalling like a limpet. See, I can make **** up too.


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    #74
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Used to find that a lot of the bogger women down in UL developed D4 accents.

    Work that one out if you can.

    :confused::confused:


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    #75
    tonycascarino
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭tonycascarino


    IamMetaldave wrote: »
    it's the influence of American TV on them.

    I do not believe this theory at all. People born and bred in this country change their accent because they think it will make them sound more important and it is down to insecurities. I and many others grew up watching loads of American and British TV but it hasn't influenced my accent or others in the slightest.


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    #76
    topper75
    Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    troyzer wrote: »
    What if the accent of the area is in and of itself an affection? I'm thinking of the D4 accent.
    I worked and lived near the D4 postcode for a while. People didn't talk like that.

    If you are referring to the 'Dort' accent - that is purely an affectation and does not have any region as a natural accent would have.


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    #77
    Electric Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭Electric Sheep


    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    It's really sad listening to people (mainly girls) only a few years younger than myself without a hint of their proper accent and having this horrible americanised accent.

    It's clearly a deliberate affectation of an accent and not naturally occurring as I've watched 1000's of hours of American television and films and haven't picked up an accent.

    Accents are good and anything different and unique in this increasingly homogenized world is good.
    There are many influences on accent, region is not the only one. Who gets to decide what someone's "proper" accent should be? You?


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    #78
    Mister Vain
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    I've noticed it with the kids alright. My niece and her friends seem so have a slight American accent.


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    #79
    Cupcake_Crisis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,448 ✭✭✭✭Cupcake_Crisis


    McGaggs wrote: »
    Work Snapchat?

    I work in a salon, we have a snapchat! Fairly common practice.


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    #80
    Mr. FoggPatches
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    Daniel O'Donnell has ruined the Donegal accent for me :(


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    #81
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Accents are as thick and incomprehensible in this country as ever. Relax.


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    #82
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »
    I've spent the last 30 years in Cork, but I still sound like I've just "cum up from t' pit" :(

    And why do certain Irish people insist on asking me if I'm "owrite moite" in an Eastenders accent? God, I hate that :mad:

    Since I've been in the UK all I hear is "top of the morning".


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    #83
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,199 ✭✭✭troyzer


    topper75 wrote: »
    I worked and lived near the D4 postcode for a while. People didn't talk like that.

    If you are referring to the 'Dort' accent - that is purely an affectation and does not have any region as a natural accent would have.

    Having spent four years in Trinity originally from a working class family the universality of the Dort accent and its association with D4 is staggering. You might be right that it's an affectation but if it is, it's persistent amongst an entire generation of people from that area. Which just means a new regional accent is forming.


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    #84
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I think so, ease of travel and communication is blending accents and standardising our English.

    A good thing, imo.

    Really? even though they are still murdering the English language.


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    #85
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Captain Havoc wrote: »
    Accents are changing, languages evolve, that's just the way it is and always has been.
    Do you ever wonder why young women in the UK don't change their original accents?


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    #86
    fryup
    Registered Users Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    some middle-class dubliners want to be american for some reason...:cool:


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    #87
    2ygb4cmqetsjhx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 564 ✭✭✭2ygb4cmqetsjhx


    Has anyone ever heard the Drogheda accent? It's ****ing depressing.


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    #88
    Electric Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭Electric Sheep


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    Captain Havoc wrote: »
    Accents are changing, languages evolve, that's just the way it is and always has been.
    Do you ever wonder why young women in the UK don't change their original accents?
    I've met plenty of men and women in the UK who changed their accents.


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    #89
    me_right_one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭me_right_one


    Putting on an American or otherwise posh accent, should be punishable by law. Having foul smelling slurry is punishable, creating noise pollution is punishable, so this should definitely incur a fine at the very least. I'm serious.


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    #90
    tonycascarino
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭tonycascarino


    me_right_one wrote: »
    Putting on an American or otherwise posh accent, should be punishable by law. Having foul smelling slurry is punishable, creating noise pollution is punishable, so this should definitely incur a fine at the very least. I'm serious.

    I think we should be allowed put their head and hands into stocks and be allowed throw rotten vegetables at them until they admit that their accent is put on due to insecurities within.


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    #91
    Yourself isit
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    tupenny wrote: »
    I think kids get their accents from their parents. Maybe it changes as they get older but id say a lot of that is put on to fit in etc
    My kid speaks in the exact same accent as I do. Two of her best friends are lads with 1 parent who's English (1 kids mam, the others dad) and u can hear the London accent in some words they say.
    The nickelodeon accent kids must have parents who dump them in front of the TV all day

    Kids get their accent from peers.


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