Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

gozunda · 11-02-2021 4:09pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

"You risk the lives of family and friends"

Such disingenous tripe

And your qualifications in infectious diseases and pandemic control are?

This is the rationale behind the UK campaign whether you agree with it or otherwise.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-tv-advert-urges-public-to-stay-at-home-to-protect-the-nhs-and-save-lives

Stay at home, save lives’ will run across TV, radio, out of home advertising and on social media, and will include a new advert fronted by the Chief Medical Officer, Professor Chris Whitty which will be aired for the first time on ITV at 7:15pm on Friday 8 January 2021

The campaign recognises the overwhelming pressure facing the NHS and urges people to stay at home. It comes as current data shows COVID-19 cases and deaths are at an all-time high and NHS hospitals and staff are under huge pressure, with some hospitals in the South East at extreme capacity.

HBC08 · 11-02-2021 4:15pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Niall_Boylan/status/1359596785849823233?s=20

So that's it, foreign travel is essentially over, it will take years - decades even to vaccinate the whole world.
I've accepted I'll never see my parents again, maybe when I retire I'll get to see Ireland again.

And TEN YEARS IN PRISON for people in the UK lying about where they have been !!! think about that for a second ....

In the meantime, there is some fantastic 4K youtube travel videos out there, city walks and all ...

If you let Grant Shapps wind you up to the point that You're wailing you'll never see your parents again I suggest you stop the doom scrolling.
Seriously.

11-02-2021 4:16pm

well this thread has descended into farce

on actual travel news, March flight just got cancelled so im back to the drawing board

HBC08 · 11-02-2021 4:30pm

Can anybody tell me what the story is if/ when a flight is cancelled?
Do you just get an email and a link to reclaim you money or is this wishful thinking?
Also how far out do they announce cancellations?
I have a flight to Portugal in mid May, it's from Knock,I think knock has been closed for a while and doesn't look to be opening for flights to Europe any time soon.Im kinda hoping this might work in my favour for getting money back.

I regurgitate the news · 11-02-2021 5:01pm

Del Griffith wrote: »

The 10 years max is for extreme stuff, like someone from a redzone with a positive test doing a legger from quarantine.. that sort of thing.

Is that in legislation yet and if yes what part does of the legislation says what you are saying?

It'll be great once all of this is over and governments all around the world remove these laws and everything goes back to the way it used to me.

dmcsweeney · 11-02-2021 5:22pm

MM has now said that the restrictions on non-essential travel will be in place for the remainder of the year. Can we assume that that the fines etc won't be in force for that time?

faceman · 11-02-2021 6:10pm

Leo gets my point

wrote:

Mr Varadkar also warned of the potential for legal issues over mandatory hotel quarantining for travellers arriving at Irish ports and airports, The Irish Times reports.

It could be argued that it would be “disproportionate to impose mandatory hotel quarantine on people who don’t have Covid”, when the State does not do that to people resident in Ireland who have the virus, he told Social Democrats joint leader Catherine Murphy.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/govt-unsure-of-covid-19-levels-acceptable-for-reopening-varadkar-says-1079649.html

josip · 11-02-2021 6:38pm

In positive news, more European countries have started their return to normality.
Looks like a cautious, controlled relaxation so hopefully, they won't need to tighten up again and hopefully will be open for tourists in the summer.

Slovenia

“There is no more travel ban in place, we can travel all over the country,” interior minister Ales Hojs told journalists after a cabinet meeting, announcing that restrictions on travel between regions would be lifted from Monday.
He added public gatherings will also once again be allowed for up to 10 people. Also from Monday, all elementary school pupils will return to classrooms along with final-year high school students, after having attended online classes for over four months.
At the same time, all shops and services will be allowed to reopen from Monday provided they adhere to safety measures such as weekly tests for employees. The curfew between 9pm and 6am local time, in force for almost four months, will remain until the situation improves further.

Croatia

Croatia will allow restaurants and bars to open from next week, but only to serve takeaway coffee. They have been closed since late November, along with fitness and sports centres.
These will be allowed to restart business along with betting shops and casinos. Foreign language schools will be allowed to open for children.

Shops are currently open in Croatia, with a limited number of buyers allowed inside. Face masks are obligatory in all indoor spaces and on public transport, while companies are invited to organise work from home wherever possible. Public gatherings are limited to 25 people.

faceman · 11-02-2021 7:09pm

I got mocked in another thread for calling quarantine hotels “detention centres”. This article proves my point. Looking at this article how is not considered a detention centre?

https://jrnl.ie/5351608

Plumbthedepths · 11-02-2021 7:31pm

At last some sense, well in some jurisdictions at least.

https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/these-eight-destinations-now-allow-vaccinated-travellers-to-bypass-quarantine-40080475.ht
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Poland is a beautiful country and Tallinn in Estonia is a nice short city break trip.

11-02-2021 7:34pm

faceman wrote: »

I got mocked in another thread for calling quarantine hotels “detention centres”. This article proves my point. Looking at this article how is not considered a detention centre?

https://jrnl.ie/5351608

and I shall mock you again.

Its extemism to compare someone who agrees to remain in a hotel ofr their choice, in advance and as a condition of their entry into the state to someone being detained against their will in a detention centre aka a prison or secure school as a result of a law violation.

Is my house now also a detention centre if home quarantine becomes mandatory?

eireholidays · 11-02-2021 7:35pm

faceman wrote: »

I got mocked in another thread for calling quarantine hotels “detention centres”. This article proves my point. Looking at this article how is not considered a detention centre?

Direct Provision!

Coybig_ · 11-02-2021 7:37pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

and I shall mock you again.

Its extemism to compare someone who agrees to remain in a hotel ofr their choice, in advance and as a condition of their entry into the state to someone being detained against their will in a detention centre aka a prison or secure school as a result of a law violation.

Is my house now also a detention centre if home quarantine becomes mandatory?

When those people have proof that they do not have COVID-19, and we do not impose those restrictions on people here that are CONFIRMED to have COVID-19, it is absolutely draconian and without question akin to a detention centre.

It is ripe for being taken apart in a court of law - which if those buffoons can see that then it should tell you something - and I really hope somebody does so.

caveat emptor · 11-02-2021 7:37pm

faceman wrote: »

Leo gets my point

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/govt-unsure-of-covid-19-levels-acceptable-for-reopening-varadkar-says-1079649.html

I think you mean your Lobby group has his number.

I think we all have your number at this stage.

If I were based between two countries I'd be the same but I've a kid out of school so you know different priorities. Respect though.

monkeybutter · 11-02-2021 7:38pm

faceman wrote: »

I got mocked in another thread for calling quarantine hotels “detention centres”. This article proves my point. Looking at this article how is not considered a detention centre?

https://jrnl.ie/5351608

Is there any real reason to call it a detention center over a quarentine hotel

I mean the second one is more descriptive and correct

caveat emptor · 11-02-2021 7:42pm

monkeybutter wrote: »

Is there any real reason to call it a detention center over a quarentine hotel

I mean the second one is more descriptive and correct

It's a PR talking point dreamt up to undermine Public health.

Akin to calling a police man a nazi for upholding the law.

A law you don't agree with.

Strawman argument.

Although some hotels are **** some are lovely. Other countries have 5 star hotels being used with all the usual room service etc. False equivalence.

https://twitter.com/MonicavanDelden/status/1313119887435333632?s=20

11-02-2021 7:50pm

caveat emptor wrote: »

It's a PR talking point dreamt up to undermine Public health.

Akin to calling a police man a nazi for upholding the law.

A law you don't agree with.

Strawman argument.

Although some hotels are **** some are lovely. Other countries have 5 star hotels being used with all the usual room service etc. False equivalence.

Well the link would suggest a degree of choice as well so you get a say in the hotel as well

Yep, really on par with Oberstown and St Margarets

11-02-2021 7:53pm

Coybig_ wrote: »

When those people have proof that they do not have COVID-19, and we do not impose those restrictions on people here that are CONFIRMED to have COVID-19, it is absolutely draconian and without question akin to a detention centre.

It is ripe for being taken apart in a court of law - which if those buffoons can see that then it should tell you something - and I really hope somebody does so.

Would ya every stop

Have you ever been inside any detention centres?

Again for those that will not listen:

People are free to not travel to Ireland. None are being forced.

When people decide to travel, it will be part of the conditions of travel.

Every single country in the world has entry restrictions and limits. Every single one of them.

And with all respect to dr Leo, hes a medical doctor who has shown a lack of insight into the nations laws and legal system in the past. His tenure in social welfare should have been enough proof that the man has no business making laws.

Now please do tell me, when out current detention centres have been found lawful and dont meet half of the comfort levels that hotels do nor gave the detainees any say, how can this be illegal? Whats your grounds?

faceman · 11-02-2021 8:19pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

and I shall mock you again.

Its extemism to compare someone who agrees to remain in a hotel ofr their choice, in advance and as a condition of their entry into the state to someone being detained against their will in a detention centre aka a prison or secure school as a result of a law violation.

Is my house now also a detention centre if home quarantine becomes mandatory?

You can call it a hotel all you want. But to suggest that the traveller “agrees” to stay given they have no choice of hotel or say in the matter is incredibly blinkered and short sighted. The traveller isn’t selecting a hotel on booking.com. We’re not talking about tourists here.

Prisoners are given exercise time daily. “Quarantine hotel guests” aren’t.

Prisoners are allowed visitors. “Quarantine hotel guests” aren’t.

Prisoners are allowed social time with other inmates. “Quarantine hotel guests” aren’t

Prisoners are allowed compassionate leave. “Quarantine hotel guests” aren’t.

International travellers who despite producing negative covid results have less freedoms than confirmed covid cases and their close contacts.

PS. Do you always mock people who have a different opinion to you?

pjohnson · 11-02-2021 8:21pm

faceman wrote: »

You can call it a hotel all you want. But to suggest that the traveller “agrees” to stay given they have no choice is incredibly blinkered and short sighted. The traveller isn’t selecting a hotel on booking.com.

Prisoners are given exercise time daily. “Quarantine hotel guests” aren’t.

Prisoners are allowed visitors. “Quarantine hotel guests” aren’t.

Prisoners are allowed social time with other inmates. “Quarantine hotel guests” aren’t

Prisoners are allowed compassionate leave. “Quarantine hotel guests” aren’t.

International travellers who despite producing negative covid results have less freedoms than confirmed covid cases and their close contacts.

Are they forced to travel? If they agree to travel then they agree to a stay in the quarantine hotel.

11-02-2021 8:32pm

Coybig_ wrote: »

It is ripe for being taken apart in a court of law - which if those buffoons can see that then it should tell you something - and I really hope somebody does so.

They'll have to get in first

caveat emptor · 11-02-2021 8:37pm

faceman wrote: »

You can call it a hotel all you want. But to suggest that the traveller “agrees” to stay given they have no choice of hotel or say in the matter is incredibly blinkered and short sighted. The traveller isn’t selecting a hotel on booking.com. We’re not talking about tourists here.

Prisoners are given exercise time daily. “Quarantine hotel guests” aren’t.

Prisoners are allowed visitors. “Quarantine hotel guests” aren’t.

Prisoners are allowed social time with other inmates. “Quarantine hotel guests” aren’t

Prisoners are allowed compassionate leave. “Quarantine hotel guests” aren’t.

International travellers who despite producing negative covid results have less freedoms than confirmed covid cases and their close contacts.

PS. Do you always mock people who have a different opinion to you?

I don't but I do mock people who have a clear conflict of interest driving that opinion.

Yapamillias · 11-02-2021 8:41pm

For the quarantine hotel situation its only applicable for the specific list of countries but is this 2 week staycation for non nationals only? What if you have a residence in Ireland? I am not 100% clear on this

monkeybutter · 11-02-2021 8:44pm

Yapamillias wrote: »

For the quarantine hotel situation its only applicable for the specific list of countries but is this 2 week staycation for non nationals only? What if you have a residence in Ireland? I am not 100% clear on this

Think it's for all nationalities, depends where you come from etc

Otherwise we would be racists father

Yapamillias · 11-02-2021 8:50pm

monkeybutter wrote: »

Think it's for all nationalities, depends where you come from etc

Otherwise we would be racists father

Ahh I see. I was curious because Korea for example has the same hotels but only for non-nationals. Korean citizens can quarantine at home.

I still think that the real issue is lack of tracking/checking up/post flight procedures for incoming people.

Hopefully the travel list of countries doesn't get too long.

faceman · 11-02-2021 8:55pm

caveat emptor wrote: »

I don't but I do mock people who have a clear conflict of interest driving that opinion.

Right so, you’re considering a family bereavement a conflict of interest?

11-02-2021 8:57pm

Yapamillias wrote: »

For the quarantine hotel situation its only applicable for the specific list of countries but is this 2 week staycation for non nationals only? What if you have a residence in Ireland? I am not 100% clear on this

Citizens don't have to stay in a hotel

monkeybutter · 11-02-2021 9:19pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Citizens don't have to stay in a hotel

How are you coming to that conclusion

I mean the legislation is only being drafted but all the reports state it

Father Hernandez · 11-02-2021 9:31pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Citizens don't have to stay in a hotel

Everything points to travelers of any nationality (Irish citizens included) who fly into Ireland and their origin is any country on the red list, has to stay in mandatory hotel quarantine and pay themeselves, potentially €2k.

It would mean if Johnny and Mary are in Lanzarote now and want to fly home to Ireland in 2 weeks time and this Monday, Spain/Canaries gets added to that list, Johnny and Mary have to pay €4k for a 2 week stay in mandatory hotel quarantine.

11-02-2021 9:57pm

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Everything points to travelers of any nationality (Irish citizens included) who fly into Ireland and their origin is any country on the red list, has to stay in mandatory hotel quarantine and pay themeselves, potentially €2k.

It would mean if Johnny and Mary are in Lanzarote now and want to fly home to Ireland in 2 weeks time and this Monday, Spain/Canaries gets added to that list, Johnny and Mary have to pay €4k for a 2 week stay in mandatory hotel quarantine.

Ah Jaysis!
Nah, I don't believe it will happen......
#fingerscrossed!

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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