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Direct Provision to be Abolished

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  • #122
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    Biker79 wrote: »
    The media have to be left-leaning and intolerant of conservative viewpoints to appease the sensibilities of their advertisers, which is their main/ only stream of revenue.

    Because no brand can afford to be remotely associated with any contentious subject, especially one that can be misconstrued as bigotry/ racism.

    What a mess.

    Much of the print medias advertisement revenue comes from the Govt itself.


  • #123
    Jizique
    Registered Users Posts: 1,820 ✭✭✭Jizique


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    The problem with making the process more efficient is it will inevitably lead to more people being deported.

    How is that a problem? If they are not entitled to asylum, they should be made aware of that within a month


  • #124
    SFC1895
    Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭SFC1895


    If DP is so bad, why are there 600-800 residents with Refugee Status or Subsidiary Protection free to leave at any time?


  • #125
    Hello 2D Person Below
    Registered Users Posts: 13,755 ✭✭✭✭Hello 2D Person Below


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    You do realise end direct provision means they literally want to end it and have people go straight into houses and dole?

    Your position is much closer to don't abolish direct provision than it is to abolish

    This is not the case at all.


  • #126
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Hello 2D Person Below wrote: »
    This is not the case at all.

    So what is the case then?
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  • #127
    Rubberchikken
    Registered Users Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    Instead of having people in DP for years make it extremely difficult to come into this country in the first place.

    We accept seemingly everyone. We don't seem to insist that they learn English, get work, integrate, contribute to this country.
    Instead we accept that a large number have no wish or need to learn English, to work, to become contributing members of society, accept that they choose to leave their country so should now abide by the law and rules of our country.
    The whining left want foreigners to be allowed in, just don't house them anywhere near them.


  • #128
    SFC1895
    Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭SFC1895


    What are the better value for money alternatives to the current system of DP for housing asylum seekers, given the reason for the current system is that it is the cheapest possible?


  • #129
    Gradius
    Registered Users Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Gradius


    How about a one-in-one-out policy?

    If someone is gagging to have some randomer come here, they can do a swap. Maybe an initial swap of two years, followed by an irreversible swap of citizenship.

    I mean, they're happy to give away collective ownership all ready, so just make it a bit more specific!


  • #130
    Gradius
    Registered Users Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Gradius


    SFC1895 wrote: »
    What are the better value for money alternatives to the current system of DP for housing asylum seekers, given the reason for the current system is that it is the cheapest possible?

    The establishment of an extra-EU processing center.

    Its going to happen anyway, as mad as it sounds.


  • #131
    perfectkama
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭perfectkama


    Hello 2D Person Below wrote: »
    This is not the case at all.
    I will ask you too so answer ?


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  • #132
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    SFC1895 wrote: »
    What are the better value for money alternatives to the current system of DP for housing asylum seekers, given the reason for the current system is that it is the cheapest possible?

    border patrol agents at the door of every plane checking passports and sending anyone back immediately without a valid one.

    cutting off social welfare entitlement for 10 years upon entry and remove the ability to 'reunite families' down the line.


  • #133
    SFC1895
    Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭SFC1895


    Gradius wrote: »
    The establishment of an extra-EU processing center.

    Its going to happen anyway, as mad as it sounds.
    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    border patrol agents at the door of every plane checking passports and sending anyone back immediately without a valid one.

    cutting off social welfare entitlement for 10 years upon entry and remove the ability to 'reunite families' down the line.


    Not bad ideas, but 1) You'll never eliminate people smuggling, and 2) What about applications for asylum not made at the border? You can apply for asylum at any time - eg, an international student who has been here studying for years can simply rock up at the International Protection Office and claim asylum


  • #134
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    SFC1895 wrote: »
    Not bad ideas, but 1) You'll never eliminate people smuggling, and 2) What about applications for asylum not made at the border? You can apply for asylum at any time - eg, an international student who has been here studying for years can simply rock up at the International Protection Office and claim asylum

    people smuggling can be assisted by x-raying trucks at seaports , removing the welfare entitlement will go a long way to prevent welfare tourism. No solution is ever iron clad but people getting off planes without documents is a huge issue.


  • #135
    Gradius
    Registered Users Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Gradius


    SFC1895 wrote: »
    Not bad ideas, but 1) You'll never eliminate people smuggling, and 2) What about applications for asylum not made at the border? You can apply for asylum at any time - eg, an international student who has been here studying for years can simply rock up at the International Protection Office and claim asylum

    And off to processing they go. This isn't some wacky idea of a central processing centre, it is pretty much inevitable. Whether it's in turkey or Morocco or what have you.

    And by the way, that's being generous. Assuming the climactic problems incoming it is not unreasonable to see a zero immigration policy across Europe, refugee or not.


  • #136
    SFC1895
    Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭SFC1895


    Gradius wrote: »
    And off to processing they go. This isn't some wacky idea of a central processing centre, it is pretty much inevitable. Whether it's in turkey or Morocco or what have you.


    I know, the EU have been pushing this for a while. Whether it ever happens is another thing.


  • #137
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Maybe we can ask the eu to end the migrant taxi service in the med to be ended immediately and use the naval forces to deter and return migrants back to the coast of Africa ,
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  • #138
    the immortals
    Registered Users Posts: 300 ✭✭the immortals


    Free accommodation
    Free food
    Free legal aid
    Free healthcare

    70 the 80% asylum applicants rejected
    A billion euro spent on direct Provision since 2000

    The world's poor are on their way to Ireland and why not, once you get here it doesn't matter what fairy tale you tell in the IPO (international protection office)
    it has to be assessed and when your application is refused there's a myriad of NGOs to advise you on your appeal after appeal after appeal, it's also an absolute goldmine for the legal profession and anyone who owns a hotel or bnb.

    The whole thing is bizarre and costs a fortune for nothing in return


  • #139
    Dontfadeaway
    Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Dontfadeaway


    I don’t see how they can change it. They can’t give them houses just like that.

    The greed from some of the DP providers is disgusting though, hopefully they can sort that somehow.


  • #140
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    Hello 2D Person Below wrote: »
    This is not the case at all.

    what is the case then


  • #141
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Dontfadeaway wrote: »
    The greed from some of the DP providers is disgusting though, hopefully they can sort that somehow.

    Why?


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  • #142
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Doubt anything will change. Ireland seems to want to be the best in the biz for the Asylum Seekers. Merkel can you hear us, just in case we need another bailout or anything.


  • #143
    marty whelan
    Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭marty whelan


    You have no idea what you are talking about. The real figure is much much more in favour of the accommodation provider


  • #144
    marty whelan
    Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭marty whelan


    No one ever seems to mention the amount of money spent on legal fees for asylum seekers challenging deportation orders etc. That's the real scandal.


  • #145
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Whisper it, we cannot and are not allowed to say anything about DP. EVER.

    Honestly this country is turning into a totally controlled environment now.

    When did anyone ever hear anyone in print, radio, tv or wherever say anything about the asylum system being a total scam? Gwan now, it is a total joke.


  • #146
    SFC1895
    Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭SFC1895


    It's all good and well saying some hotel owners/DP providers are greedy and exploiting the situation.


    But we have to accept that the State isn't always the most effective or efficient (!) provider of services, and if it were the case that the State was running centres, the costs and liability to the tax payer would be far higher.


  • #147
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    marty whelan wrote: »
    No one ever seems to mention the amount of money spent on legal fees for asylum seekers challenging deportation orders etc. That's the real scandal.

    30 + million per year going back a few years ago from another thread if I remember correctly
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  • #148
    SFC1895
    Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭SFC1895


    marty whelan wrote: »
    No one ever seems to mention the amount of money spent on legal fees for asylum seekers challenging deportation orders etc. That's the real scandal.


    Exactly. I mentioned this a few pages back. It's an industry, and the legal professionals need to be fed


  • #149
    Working class heroes
    Registered Users Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    I thought boards was supposed to be left wing?

    The fcuking echoes in hear are horrendous.

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • #150
    Bobblehats
    Registered Users Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


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  • #151
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Working class heroes wrote: »
    I thought boards was supposed to be left wing?

    The fcuking echoes in hear are horrendous.

    About time too that all voices are heard, not just the leftie communistas with time on their hands.


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