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Direct Provision to be Abolished

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  • #32
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Jurgen Klopp wrote: »
    And within a few years you'll be on here wringing the hands when a hard core anti immigration party will finally take a foothold in Ireland. May as well go all out and over turn the anchor baby referendum, really make a job of it and give them a majority government


    These types are completely incapable of thinking about where their ideas lead us in a realistic sense. They honestly believe that everything that they push has a gold paved path to a rainbow.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • #33
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    Anyone else think it's ironic they have to draw up a "white paper" ?


    Anyways, I don't understand how non-EU citizens get permanent status.
    It should be conditional on a periodic review, eg. every 5 years.
    If they commit crimes or fail to get a job, then they should be deported.

    Its scandalous, they can go back on holidays to these countries they apparently cant stay in for fear of their life, commit fraud and crimes and it's not revoked.

    And tbh the same conditions should apply to EU citizens, you get temporary welfare support and after that you're going home.
    You commit any crimes you're deported after your sentence.
    I wouldn't move abroad and expect another country's welfare system to fund my life, I'd be booking a flight home once my job ended.


  • #34
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Green politicians are well known all over Europe for putting other people above their own citizens.
    Tbh, they have more policies on social justice than the environment.


  • #35
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,279 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Regularly hear people say abolish direct provision

    It’s almost a catchphrase these days

    I’m thinking - right ok... what do you replace it with?

    Is it simply close down the centers and put all the asylum seekers onto the housing lists??


  • #36
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Regularly hear people say abolish direct provision

    It’s almost a catchphrase these days

    I’m thinking - right ok... what do you replace it with?

    Is it simply close down the centers and put all the asylum seekers onto the housing lists??

    Thats exactly what they want, let them all in , foist them upon rural ireland and then supress all the negative stories that come along


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  • #37
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Regularly hear people say abolish direct provision

    It’s almost a catchphrase these days

    I’m thinking - right ok... what do you replace it with?

    Is it simply close down the centers and put all the asylum seekers onto the housing lists??

    Yes

    Well to be exact, to close down the centres and place anyone claiming to be a refugee directly into individual housing, whilst the native suckers languish on housing lists.


  • #38
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Is it simply close down the centers and put all the asylum seekers onto the housing lists??
    that's usually the gist if it yeah.


  • #39
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,279 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Once refugees enter Ireland they should be given priority listing for housing and proper assistance in getting them up to speed in employment, language and finance. Its disgraceful the farce of DP was let carry on for as long as it did.

    Priority you say ?

    Priority over who?


  • #40
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Then we offer them alternative assistance or programmes.

    Such as?

    See, the problem I have with opinions like yours is that they're all so vague and without any boundaries/limits. So... give some details.


  • #41
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Such as?

    See, the problem I have with opinions like yours is that they're all so vague and without any boundaries/limits. So... give some details.

    If someone wants to be a doctor, help them be a doctor, if someone wants to be an engineer help them. We need to subsidize their education and help them and their families build lives rather than leaving them to their own devices. There's enough to go around for everyone.


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  • #42
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Priority you say ?

    Priority over who?

    They're more in need and their situation is much more dire. They need our help for God's sake.


  • #43
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    anyone who takes the bait deserves the next 15 pages of horse ****


  • #44
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    anyone who takes the bait deserves the next 15 pages of horse ****

    So you'd rather dismiss me than debate me? I guess thinking hurts does it?


  • #45
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »

    I’m thinking - right ok... what do you replace it with?


    Spike Island. :D


  • #46
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    KiKi III wrote: »
    The main issue is that right now the centres are run for profit by private companies and now they won’t be. There’s something like €260 put aside for every asylum seeker every week right now, of which €220 goes to the private company and the person gets €39 to live off.

    I think you are misinformed. If local authorities have to feed and house them, all the staff still have to be paid. There is no reason to think a state outfit is going to be more efficient than a private. Its outsourced to private companies to save money.


  • #47
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Once refugees enter Ireland they should be given priority listing for housing and proper assistance in getting them up to speed in employment, language and finance. Its disgraceful the farce of DP was let carry on for as long as it did.

    Anyone coming to this country whether asylum seeker or economic migrant should never have priority over Irish people for access to state housing.

    If we start from that basic principle and send that message out we'll have less people coming here who's only purpose are to abuse this country and more genuine applicants.

    The 90 + % "cock and bull cases" Michael McDowell referred to when he was in office.


  • #48
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    If someone wants to be a doctor, help them be a doctor, if someone wants to be an engineer help them. We need to subsidize their education and help them and their families build lives rather than leaving them to their own devices. There's enough to go around for everyone.
    Engineers and Doctors emigrate here constantly from outside the EU, their skills are in high demand and they can get a visa to come here.

    People using the asylum process to come here, having past up at least one (probably multiple) safe countries en route don't chose Ireland for it's medical or engineering courses. In any case, if their asylum application is successful, or they are given leave to remain, they will have access to education.


  • #49
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Bambi wrote: »
    Spike Island. :D

    What a disgusting thing to say. You should be bloody ashamed.


  • #50
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,609 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    It wont matter if the DP centres are closed down as they will still have to be paid for- many are on 20 year contracts that were only renewed a few years ago. This will cost the state millions all the while on top now theyll be going renting 2000 euro a month apartments to house them elsewhere. The Greens are not in government a wet day and theyre already flushing money down the toilet.


  • #51
    Rockbeast2
    Registered Users Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Rockbeast2


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    anyone who takes the bait deserves the next 15 pages of horse ****

    There was an interesting theory proposed last week that there may be some visitors here from "far-right" sites masquerading as "far-lefties" in the hope of motivating people a little further to "the right" in the face of such ridiculous and intransigent views. That poster may have been on to something.


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  • #52
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    They're more in need and their situation is much more dire. They need our help for God's sake.
    No they don't.

    Nigeria, Pakistan and Zimbabwe have, between 2001 and 2019, been the most common origin of asylum applicants.
    These are followed by the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), and Georgia and Albania, the joint fifth most common countries to appear in annual tallies.
    China and Romania too have been relatively common.

    In neither country is there war currently. It's time to return home.


  • #53
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    biko wrote: »
    No they don't.

    Nigeria, Pakistan and Zimbabwe have, between 2001 and 2019, been the most common origin of asylum applicants.
    These are followed by the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), and Georgia and Albania, the joint fifth most common countries to appear in annual tallies.
    China and Romania too have been relatively common.

    In neither country is there war currently. It's time to return home.

    There doesn't have to be a war for people to face violence or persecution unfortunately. Should we really turn ourselves into a fortress of exclusivity?


  • #54
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Rockbeast2 wrote: »
    There was an interesting theory proposed last week that there may be some visitors here from "far-right" sites masquerading as "far-lefties" in the hope of motivating people a little further to "the right" in the face of such ridiculous and intransigent views. That poster may have been on to something.


    This place doesn't need any motivation to turn far right. It's borderline Breitbart comment section at this point.


  • #55
    kildare lad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Once refugees enter Ireland they should be given priority listing for housing and proper assistance in getting them up to speed in employment, language and finance. Its disgraceful the farce of DP was let carry on for as long as it did.

    Hahaha... Are you nuts , every refugee will want to come here then , what do you do then when they all start arriving. Just start building thousands of houses to accommodate them . We're already paying out hundreds of millions a year on HAP and children's allowance . Let put more of a burden on the taxpayers just so the bleeding hearts can feel good about themselves


  • #56
    kildare lad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Priority you say ?

    Priority over who?

    Anybody that's white


  • #57
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    kildare lad wrote: »
    Hahaha... Are you nuts , every refugee will want to come here then , what do you do then when they all start arriving. Just start building thousands of houses to accommodate them . We're already paying out hundreds of millions a year on HAP and children's allowance . Let put more of a burden on the taxpayers just so the bleeding hearts can feel good about themselves


    Well the current situation with property in the country is ridiculous. The rich hoarding all the houses and profiteering off ordinary workers. Something needs to change.


  • #58
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    This place doesn't need any motivation to turn far right. It's borderline Breitbart comment section at this point.

    Awwwwe poor lil snow flake .


    Irish taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bills for economic migrants to come here and sit on their holes enjoying there's new life provided by us the taxpayer
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  • #59
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    If someone wants to be a doctor, help them be a doctor, if someone wants to be an engineer help them. We need to subsidize their education and help them and their families build lives rather than leaving them to their own devices. There's enough to go around for everyone.

    So, not going to put any real effort into explaining your pov. Hardly a surprise.


  • #60
    kildare lad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Well the current situation with property in the country is ridiculous. The rich hoarding all the houses and profiteering off ordinary workers. Something needs to change.

    And you're want to change that by giving every Tom , d*ick and Harry who get off the boat free houses. What happens when the next recession comes in and Irish people loses their houses and have to emigrate like the last time. While all your buddy's are safe because the government are gonna keep paying for them while the natives suffer.


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  • #61
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    I wonder if someone from Dublin fell foul of the republicans or loyalists or some gangsters could they head off to Ghana or Tanzania with the family and claim asylum. Would they get a council house and welfare for life.


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