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    #32
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    bloodless_coup wrote: »
    Nobody wants MeHole Martian to be taoiseach.
    FF do and it's all about the numbers. Together they have them.


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    #33
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,438 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Leo waiting until 2022 to become Taoiseach makes me think there will be an election in 2022...

    Yeah it's only a year and a half as Taoiseach which does come across as michael Martin getting the FF taoiseach card stamped so he's not the odd one out and then he'll pull the plug. I mean I hope that doesn't happen but it's easy to be read that way.


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    #34
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    So Fail the Gaels have another chance to destroy this Country. Now with Greens along for the ride. We won't have a pot left to piss in once these traitors are done.


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    #35
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    bloodless_coup wrote: »
    Nobody wants MeHole Martian to be taoiseach.

    No party could even get 25% of the 62% of people who bothered to vote.

    So that's means no party got more that 15.5% of the electorate to vote for them.

    No leader can claim to be the popular choice for Taoiseach.


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    #36
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    So Fail the Gaels have another chance to destroy this Country. Now with Greens along for the ride. We won't have a pot left to piss in once these traitors are done.

    The world economy as always will decide.

    You give governments far to much credit.


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    #37
    BPKS
    Registered Users Posts: 16,692 ✭✭✭✭BPKS


    Was speaking to a mate of mine recently and we were saying how this Pandemic could help to re-awaken rural Ireland.

    Lots of people moved from cities to where I live and worked from home since March.

    Speaking to a few of them they said that they would not return if they had the choice. I think employers will have to re-think how people work from now on.

    This would help deal with rural de-population, lead to more small businesses opening and staying open in rural Ireland.

    But with the Greens in government along with Dublin centric Leo/Pascal/Murphy etc, rural Ireland wont get a fair chance.


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    #38
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    bloodless_coup wrote: »
    Nobody wants MeHole Martian to be taoiseach.


    I bet they dont, never heard of him



    Load of people want Michael Martin so lucky for us it looks like he will be


    That was a close call I think :-)


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    #39
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,192 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Yeah it's only a year and a half as Taoiseach which does come across as michael Martin getting the FF taoiseach card stamped so he's not the odd one out and then he'll pull the plug. I mean I hope that doesn't happen but it's easy to be read that way.

    December 2022 is 30 months away, half the term of government.


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    #40
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,192 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    BPKS wrote: »
    Was speaking to a mate of mine recently and we were saying how this Pandemic could help to re-awaken rural Ireland.

    Lots of people moved from cities to where I live and worked from home since March.

    Speaking to a few of them they said that they would not return if they had the choice. I think employers will have to re-think how people work from now on.

    This would help deal with rural de-population, lead to more small businesses opening and staying open in rural Ireland.

    But with the Greens in government along with Dublin centric Leo/Pascal/Murphy etc, rural Ireland wont get a fair chance.

    This post shows the level of ignorance out there about Green politics. There is no bigger advocate of remote working than the Greens.


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    #41
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Now it's down to the members!

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0615/1147519-government-formation/


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    #42
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    is_that_so wrote: »
    FF do and it's all about the numbers. Together they have them.

    theres a lot of FF members still wondering why he was allowed remain leader, they'll grumble their way through to 2022 knowing FF's most useless leader can then be shipped off into the sunset and somebody decent can take over.


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    #43
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    So - and I appreciate it was a split vote, but still they gave them the numbers - after years and years of working class people being exploited, of tax payers being ignored, of public transport hellish stagnation, of rents making it impossible for people who work in Dublin to live anywhere near Dublin, of houses being completely unaffordable to the average earner......the voters decided we need more of all that. Only the rich are allowed to live. The early risers must rot in the mud.

    Truly incredible.


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    #44
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    BPKS wrote: »
    Was speaking to a mate of mine recently and we were saying how this Pandemic could help to re-awaken rural Ireland.

    Lots of people moved from cities to where I live and worked from home since March.

    Speaking to a few of them they said that they would not return if they had the choice. I think employers will have to re-think how people work from now on.

    This would help deal with rural de-population, lead to more small businesses opening and staying open in rural Ireland.

    But with the Greens in government along with Dublin centric Leo/Pascal/Murphy etc, rural Ireland wont get a fair chance.

    Well it would actually be really good for the environment if more people worked from home. So it would be an advantage for everyone and would be great for small towns.


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    #45
    antimatterx
    Registered Users Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    blanch152 wrote: »
    December 2022 is 36 months away, half the term of government.

    I take it maths isn't your strong suit.

    December 2022 is ~30 months away.


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    #46
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    BPKS wrote: »
    Was speaking to a mate of mine recently and we were saying how this Pandemic could help to re-awaken rural Ireland.

    Lots of people moved from cities to where I live and worked from home since March.

    Speaking to a few of them they said that they would not return if they had the choice. I think employers will have to re-think how people work from now on.

    This would help deal with rural de-population, lead to more small businesses opening and staying open in rural Ireland.

    But with the Greens in government along with Dublin centric Leo/Pascal/Murphy etc, rural Ireland wont get a fair chance.


    I think you should have a read of this



    https://www.greenparty.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Green-Party-Employment-Policy.pdf


    Also here is more recent: https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/parties-agree-public-servants-could-work-from-home-one-day-a-week-1002573.html

    It is understood that Green Party negotiator Róisín Garvey pushed for 40% of work in the public sector to be allowed done remotely, but that Tánaiste Simon Coveney, for Fine Gael, was against this because of concerns about productivity.


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    #47
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,447 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    antimatterx wrote: »
    I take it maths isn't your strong suit.

    December 2022 is ~30 months away.

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    #48
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,192 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    antimatterx wrote: »
    I take it maths isn't your strong suit.

    December 2022 is ~30 months away.

    Yes, 30 months, but half of the five years was correct.


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    #49
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    The_Brood wrote: »
    So - and I appreciate it was a split vote, but still they gave them the numbers - after years and years of working class people being exploited, of tax payers being ignored, of public transport hellish stagnation, of rents making it impossible for people who work in Dublin to live anywhere near Dublin, of houses being completely unaffordable to the average earner......the voters decided we need more of all that. Only the rich are allowed to live. The early risers must rot in the mud.

    Truly incredible.

    What do you mean working class? Low paid?

    I know tradesmen who are paid more that Architects.


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    #50
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Funny the SF fans have been banging that drum for months now.


    So much for voting for "change" with SF. Still looking for the "change" down the back of the couch at this stage

    Well FF and FG both stated after the results people have clearly voted for change.

    This is not change, same old same old


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    #51
    The Mighty Quinn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭The Mighty Quinn


    Does today's announcement actually surprise anybody? This was on the cards for months at this stage, rotating taoiseach and all.

    It's also tiresome listening to people whinge about same old same old. It is what it is. The people who bothered their arses to go out and vote did so in sufficient proportions to allow this coalition. It is clearly "the will of the people". And don't bother throwing numbers saying that X% of people didn't vote for them etc. If you didn't vote, you don't count... shut up!

    I would have liked to see, but never optimistic about, a SF/FG coalition.
    Anyway, if this government doesn't do something pretty good, they'll have opened the gate for a bigger SF vote next time.


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    #52
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »

    This is not change, same old same old

    Oh it is change
    If its passed by the Greens required number and the new government plays the next 5 years well,I'd expect opposition parties especially SF to fall back to base support levels


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    #53
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,192 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Well FF and FG both stated after the results people have clearly voted for change.

    This is not change, same old same old

    It is change, it is the first FG have gone into coalition with the Greens.

    It is the first time that FF have gone into coalition with FG.

    That means that two of the three link-ups are unprecedented and new and represent a change to everything that has gone before.

    It may not have been the change that you and others wanted, but the fact is that it is unprecedented change.


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    #54
    bloodless_coup
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    landofthetree wrote: »
    No party could even get 25% of the 62% of people who bothered to vote.

    So that's means no party got more that 15.5% of the electorate to vote for them.

    No leader can claim to be the popular choice for Taoiseach.

    A poll done a few days ago show 48% support for Leo as next Taoiseach and only 18% for MeHole.


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    #55
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Well FF and FG both stated after the results people have clearly voted for change.

    This is not change, same old same old

    FF FG Greens got 50.2% of the vote.

    Add in Lab and 55% of people voted for parties who have been in government in the last 13 years.


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    #56
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    bloodless_coup wrote: »
    A poll done a few days ago show 48% support for Leo as next Taoiseach and only 18% for MeHole.

    Polls don't matter. Elections do.


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    #57
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    The Mighty Quinn wrote: »
    Does today's announcement actually surprise anybody? This was on the cards for months at this stage, rotating taoiseach and all.

    It's also tiresome listening to people whinge about same old same old. It is what it is. The people who bothered their arses to go out and vote did so in sufficient proportions to allow this coalition. It is clearly "the will of the people". And don't bother throwing numbers saying that X% of people didn't vote for them etc. If you didn't vote, you don't count... shut up!

    I would have liked to see, but never optimistic about, a SF/FG coalition.
    Anyway, if this government doesn't do something pretty good, they'll have opened the gate for a bigger SF vote next time.


    That's the bottom line.

    At the end of the day any combination that can reach 80TDs has a mandate to govern.


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    #58
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    I mean okay they've gotten a draft programme for government but it still has to be voted on by the members of each party and the Green Party need 66% yes for the motion to pass. Is that a given ?

    Green party members would be mad in the head to reject this deal. Given they have only 12 seats they have extracted a high price from FFG. That said Green party members are a bit mad in the head anyway so you never know.


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    #59
    StackSteevens
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    It is change, it is the first FG have gone into coalition with the Greens.

    It is the first time that FF have gone into coalition with FG.

    That means that two of the three link-ups are unprecedented and new and represent a change to everything that has gone before.

    It may not have been the change that you and others wanted, but the fact is that it is unprecedented change.

    Strangely reminiscent of the brief but dramatic change that occurred when my old Uncle Neville switched from drinking Malt whisky to drinking paraquat - although that was an unintentional change.


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    Cal4567
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    Does anyone think it will mean the start of a process when FF and FG will end up becoming a single party? Not as soon as you'd think but 5 years down the road?


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    #61
    The Mighty Quinn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭The Mighty Quinn


    Cal4567 wrote: »
    Does anyone think it will mean the start of a process when FF and FG will end up becoming a single party? Not as soon as you'd think but 5 years down the road?

    If that were to happen, this would be a logical starting point. However I don't think it will happen. Some issue will arise during the life of this government which will cause FF and FG to part ways. It'll be some nonsense or other, and on any other occasion who is on what side could be reversed, but it will keep the dividing line between parties there.


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