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    #1562
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Are we back on the pensioners fallacy again :rolleyes:


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    #1563
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Talk about been paranoid.

    Worries me people like you have a vote in this country.

    People who object to random, unaccountable thugs physically assaulting citizens, in service of an economic sector which bankrupted the entire country and forced all of us to pay for its bullsh!t?

    I think you'll find a lot of people who you'd be worried about voting, if that's your criteria for people who shouldn't vote.


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    #1564
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    riemann wrote: »
    Whereas people like you know it all

    No I don’t so I don’t come out with outlandish conspiracies.

    Spreading lies and misinformation is dangerous.


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    #1565
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Hired loyalist goons are now allowed a free hand to beat pensioners out of their homes

    There's at least two or three lies in that sentence.


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    #1566
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,505 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Talk about been paranoid.

    Worries me people like you have a vote in this country.
    What are you on about? Have you not realised that the Irish media are attempting to tell you how to think these days? They read the news and then have somebody on to talk about the version of the matter that they want you to side with.

    The reporting on two incidents in Roscommon over past 10 or so days has been awful.


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    #1567
    blueythebear
    Registered Users Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭blueythebear


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Show us where RTE said there was a court order? There is nothing about it on their website

    Video in the link

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1216/1017458-roscommon-attack/


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    #1568
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,505 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    gandalf wrote: »
    Are we back on the pensioners fallacy again :rolleyes:
    Are we back with the 'oh it's pensioners again' rolly eyes ****?


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    #1569
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,878 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    klaaaz wrote: »
    The Indo only puts forward the FFG version of events, they and RTE were forced to report what happened a long time after the event as it was all over social media over the weekend, one video of the eviction amassed 500k views.

    Hired loyalist goons are now allowed a free hand to beat pensioners out of their homes, no wonder a large number of locals got upset and raced to the pensioners aid, but apparently the ordinary locals are now "dissidents" according to "sources" in the Indo and RTE! :rolleyes:

    How do you end up owing 400k to the Revenue on a state pension???
    Would it have been ok to beat them if they had been on jobseekers allowance?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #1570
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    People who object to random, unaccountable thugs physically assaulting citizens, in service of an economic sector which bankrupted the entire country and forced all of us to pay for its bullsh!t?

    I think you'll find a lot of people who you'd be worried about voting, if that's your criteria for people who shouldn't vote.

    As I said spreading lies and misinformation about the government telling the media what to say is just pure fantasy stuff.

    Let’s stick to the facts here or is that too much to ask?


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    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    rn wrote: »
    Not another state company that'll provide a service... At the cost of 4 times the private sector!

    This is one incident. Don't change the system over one case.

    it wouldn't be a company. it would be effectively a version of the gardai designed to deal with matters of civil law. not just evictions. supposibly being 4 times the cost of the private sector (which is nonsense in reality) is irrelevant. the private sector have no place in law enforcement.
    this is 1 of many cases. lets absolutely change the system because of these cases, because otherwise we are going to possibly end up with someone seriously injured or worse by the hired goons.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #1572
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Spreading lies and misinformation is dangerous.

    It's just become fact among a lot of people which is worrying.

    All the security personnel are loyalist paramilitary thugs.
    All the people in the house are basically frail OAPs.

    It would actually be funny if it weren't so serious. Waterford Whispers headlines will write themselves.


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    #1573
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Given the violence evident in the video of the original eviction (including against a retired Garda), can we all at least agree on three points:

    1: The lack of media coverage of the original incident raises serious questions about how fully the media is informing the Irish people of what is going on in their country;

    2: The lack of political reaction to that original violence, contrasted with the massive reaction to the retaliation, and;

    3: The lack of Garda intervention during the assaults evident in the eviction video, contrasted with their intention to vigorously investigate the retaliation,

    all point to a very serious question about our state's establishment and who it actually serves as its primary "clients"? Its citizenry or its business class?


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    #1574
    Quackster
    Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    How do you end up owing 400k to the Revenue on a state pension???
    Would it have been ok to beat them if they had been on jobseekers allowance?

    Yep, the scumbag attempted to defraud compliant taxpayers like me by underdeclaring VAT by hundreds of thousands of euro.

    Hope he's evicted again pronto. And permanently this time.


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    #1575
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    end of the road wrote: »
    it wouldn't be a company. it would be effectively a version of the gardai designed to deal with matters of civil law. not just evictions. supposibly being 4 times the cost of the private sector (which is nonsense in reality) is irrelevant. the private sector have no place in law enforcement.
    this is 1 of many cases. lets absolutely change the system because of these cases, because otherwise we are going to possibly end up with someone seriously injured or worse by the hired goons.

    3 were already injured.


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    #1576
    TCM
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭TCM


    Those innocent "security" men are now out of a job, and it just coming up to Christmas.


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    #1577
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    woddensanta wrote: »
    Just to be clear, as a unionist from the north, but also a centrist democrat who believes above all in democracy is it only security work we who identity as British will be banned from in the United Ireland utopia or will other sectors be off limits? Granted I am only on page 25 of this thread and things may change by the time I have read it through to catch up with this post I make now but at this point people have called the bailiffs loyalist UVF members who should be sliced up and/or hanged simply because one identified as British?? Even if it has come out by page 125 off this thread they were actually all former members of the shankill butcher's the fact that so many bigots could assume so much and express so much hate from the limited information that one said he was British does not fill me with hope for what would happen to my community in the event of a United Ireland. No doubt a look in the mirror for a bit of self reflection could help some of you who see anyone who identifies as British as somthing that must swing by the neck for seeking employment enforcing Irish law. I just hope no Irish men working in the same sector in the UK suffer the same treatment.

    Waah waah waah.

    Since you made a parallel, let me make a more exact one -

    Irish men working in the same sector in the UK, as henchmen for a boss with republican paramilitary background

    - one needn't be Norman Tebbit to see how odious that would be to self-respecting British people.

    If the knucklehead on the video had any brains, he would have said nothing.

    But the thug element of Unionist siege mentality follows itself everywhere.


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    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,878 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Omackeral wrote: »
    It's just become fact among a lot of people which is worrying.

    All the security personnel are loyalist paramilitary thugs.
    All the people in the house are basically frail OAPs.

    It would actually be funny if it weren't so serious. Waterford Whispers headlines will write themselves.

    You forgot the part where they took down the tricolour and raised a union jack...

    There are some serious issues here but no one will take it seriously with this frail pensioners v goons painted in black and white!

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #1579
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    woddensanta wrote: »
    Just to be clear, as a unionist from the north, but also a centrist democrat who believes above all in democracy is it only security work we who identity as British will be banned from in the United Ireland utopia or will other sectors be off limits? Granted I am only on page 25 of this thread and things may change by the time I have read it through to catch up with this post I make now but at this point people have called the bailiffs loyalist UVF members who should be sliced up and/or hanged simply because one identified as British?? Even if it has come out by page 125 off this thread they were actually all former members of the shankill butcher's the fact that so many bigots could assume so much and express so much hate from the limited information that one said he was British does not fill me with hope for what would happen to my community in the event of a United Ireland. No doubt a look in the mirror for a bit of self reflection could help some of you who see anyone who identifies as British as somthing that must swing by the neck for seeking employment enforcing Irish law. I just hope no Irish men working in the same sector in the UK suffer the same treatment.

    for me, i don't care that these people were british/irish/whatever they identify as . i do care that they were violent and trying to deliberately stoke tensions. i also care about private security companies, regardless of nationality, being involved in the enforcement of law. it should be direct state agents. over all, loyalists/unionists have nothing to fear in a UI when it happens.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #1580
    Effects
    Registered Users Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭Effects


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    How do you end up owing 400k to the Revenue on a state pension???
    Would it have been ok to beat them if they had been on jobseekers allowance?

    Who said anything about anyone being on a state pension?
    He owed €177,000 in unpaid tax. A lot of which seems to have been vat that he charged people, which he then kept and didn't pay to revenue.


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    #1581
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    blueythebear wrote: »
    Video in the link

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1216/1017458-roscommon-attack/

    That RTE reporter Ciaran has misinformed the public in that video, he did not produce any evidence of a court order, it's hearsay on his part. Again, another reason not to trust the state broadcaster. I'd hazard that the pensioners solicitor will have RTE in an actual court on this matter. No other news outlet including RTE themselves has written that there was an actual court order, just that RTE goon spouting rubbish.


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    Effects
    Registered Users Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭Effects


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    You forgot the part where they took down the tricolour and raised a union jack...

    Pictures or it didn't happen.


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    #1583
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    eagle eye wrote: »
    What are you on about? Have you not realised that the Irish media are attempting to tell you how to think these days? They read the news and then have somebody on to talk about the version of the matter that they want you to side with.

    The reporting on two incidents in Roscommon over past 10 or so days has been awful.
    We are been fed the Establishments take on events . How they want stuff spun .
    How you should think and what you should think and how you should respond :eek:

    The Week and a Half of the Rise of Peter Casey was the “ The Emperor has no Clothes Moment “

    The Political establishment and their Media lost their $hit so much over that week and a half and the aftermath that they were exposed as Bollok Naked .

    The Electorate roared “ He’s got No Clothes “

    Our Rose Tinted Glasses Shattered and we realised we had been led along like unthinking Sheep for a very very long time .

    A Seminal moment in modern Irish History ! Thank the Genius that made the internet as well .


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    #1584
    P_1
    Registered Users Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Well whatever your views on the incident it's fair to say RTE didn't exactly cover all sides of the story on the 9 o'clock news just there


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    blueythebear
    Registered Users Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭blueythebear


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Given the violence evident in the video of the original eviction (including against a retired Garda), can we all at least agree on three points:

    1: The lack of media coverage of the original incident raises serious questions about how fully the media is informing the Irish people of what is going on in their country;

    2: The lack of political reaction to that original violence, contrasted with the massive reaction to the retaliation, and;

    3: The lack of Garda intervention during the assaults evident in the eviction video, contrasted with their intention to vigorously investigate the retaliation,

    all point to a very serious question about our state's establishment and who it actually serves as its primary "clients"? Its citizenry or its business class?


    Did you see the same video as I did ? The security guys did put hands on several people, none of whom look elderly, but they used force to remove them. Nowhere do i see punches flying (to be fair, by either side).

    Yes, there is one guy on the ground but it's not surprising that someone will fall over when trying to move a grown man on uneven terrain. I don't know how the guy with the bloody nose got the bloody nose but there is also a security clearly with a bloody nose too.

    They are executing an order for possession, granted by the High Court and the guys that were in the house, had come down to resist the eviction. The chap said as much in the interview in the car when he said that they came down when they heard an eviction may take place that morning


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    #1586
    zapitastas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭zapitastas


    end of the road wrote: »
    for me, i don't care that these people were british/irish/whatever they identify as . i do care that they were violent and trying to deliberately stoke tensions. i also care about private security companies, regardless of nationality, being involved in the enforcement of law. it should be direct state agents. over all, loyalists/unionists have nothing to fear in a UI when it happens.

    Unionists don't ... Loyalists better learn to swim


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    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,878 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Effects wrote: »
    Who said anything about anyone being on a state pension?
    He owed €177,000 in unpaid tax. A lot of which seems to have been vat that he charged people, which he then kept and didn't pay to revenue.

    Who said they were pensioners???

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #1588
    buried
    Registered Users Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭buried


    P_1 wrote: »
    Well whatever your views on the incident it's fair to say RTE didn't exactly cover all sides of the story on the 9 o'clock news just there

    Sounded more like a news report about a dead dog.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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    seligehgit
    Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    klaaaz wrote: »
    That RTE reporter Ciaran has misinformed the public in that video, he did not produce any evidence of a court order, it's hearsay on his part. Again, another reason not to trust the state broadcaster. I'd hazard that the pensioners solicitor will have RTE in an actual court on this matter. No other news outlet including RTE themselves has written that there was an actual court order, just that RTE goon spouting rubbish.

    He's not under any obligation to produce such evidence.That's some serious paranoia.


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    blueythebear
    Registered Users Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭blueythebear


    klaaaz wrote: »
    That RTE reporter Ciaran has misinformed the public in that video, he did not produce any evidence of a court order, it's hearsay on his part. Again, another reason not to trust the state broadcaster. I'd hazard that the pensioners solicitor will have RTE in an actual court on this matter. No other news outlet including RTE themselves has written that there was an actual court order, just that RTE goon spouting rubbish.

    That is ridiculous. RTE did not produce evidence of a court order ? THey don't have to. You;re making stuff up now. You do not know that there was not a court order. I say it is more than likely that there was one, given the reporting on the matter and the fact that the Gardai were present and did not intervene.


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    #1591
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Can anyone find the case here? I can find other cases involving KBC but not this one

    http://www.courts.ie/courts.ie/library3.nsf/pagecurrent/04AA6AC36D48E36C8025804B0059B994?opendocument&l=en&p=052

    Perhaps I am searching incorrectly, can anyone help find record of the case?


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