Donegal Asylum Centre Torched

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Done well, a policy of dispersing refugees in small groups in rural towns with sufficient supports, community consultataion and employment opportunities may be an excellent idea.

Instead what the state seems to be doing is dumping groups into depressed towns with inadequate infrastructure and employment while putting in zero resourcing and community consultation. In fact it usually seems that well connected people whose hotel has hit the skids get a dig out from their buddies in government by filling it with refugees at taxpayers expense.

With the best will in the world from both the local community and the refugees such a policy is likely to result in future racial divisions and strife in many of these towns.

There sure doesn't seem to be a lot of the old community consultation going on.

I'm ok with immigration and always have been, but as I've often said about many issues in recent years, the problem here is a total lack of tolerance for opposing views. If someone believes that we shouldn't allow any immigration into the country whatsoever for whatever reason, it's a view I'd disagree with personally but it's a perfectly legitimate political viewpoint. The problem is that people are not allowed to express that viewpoint, and there's no party or group of politicians who these people can vote for at election time if they want government policy to reflect those beliefs. That represents a fundamental democratic deficit, and in my view when that happens, incidents like this are the inevitable result - similar to how vigilantism is the inevitable result if the government is seen to either not enforce the law, or not outlaw things large proportions of the population want outlawed.

Ultimately it comes down to a lack of open, democratic debate around this issue. Nativism is a very widespread ideology which has come naturally to the human race since its earliest days. Forcing it under the surface and ostracising or punishing those who express views in favour of it is rather like creating a volcanic mantle plume - the ground above it might look calm and tranquil, but eventually the pressure of the plume will cause it to violently rupture.

Berserker wrote: »

Ireland is paved with gold by world standards. Never knew they were expecting to be housed in a city. Any proof of this?

Did you see any of the news reports from Ballaghdereen over the past year or so? The Syrians bored out of their minds, saying they'd be there long enough and that they had expected they would be relocated to Dublin or other cities much quicker?

I too would like to know how you qualify to be a 'native' Irish person? I assume Gaelic Irish and not one of those Anglo Norman blow-ins?

tretorn wrote: »

I am a native white Irish person descended from the vikings.

You're a blow-in. #vikingsnotwelcome

Feckin' Vikings. Hah, what did them hairy, horny, bearded feckers ever do for us?
Came over here, took our wimmings, robbed our monks, plundered our willages and drowned our kings.
Then, without a by-your-leave, mind, rowed away north - wards in their fjiord escorts.
Vikings, hah...everyone knows that REAL irish are the horny feckin' tink.. tink... paavees...oops, ethnic travellers... in their fjiord transits.

The rest of us are just runners - in to the place and should stay very quiet....

tretorn wrote: »

I am a native white Irish person descended from the vikings.

I have an allegiance to Ireland and no allegiance to Afghan, Somalia, Georgia, Nigeria or any North African country migrants are coming from.

Irish identity is to Irish way of life, Irish music, Irish authors, Irish Law, Irish constitution, other white Irish people with pale skin who look like me.

Ask any white European what their identity is and most will say it is their European values and way of life.

I dont know about remarkable upsurge, the official figures about the number of non nationals are a fallacy, are they taken from census figures.

You only have to go to West Dublin at school finishing time to see how many Africans are here, some Educate together primary schools in Tyrellstown are all black, the Whites have obviously taken flight to schools elsewhere. This is a total disaster and this part of Dublin will be like parts of Brussels and Paris in a few years.

The wealthy and influential in Dublin 4 dont care about that, they never have to visit West Dublin. Their main concern is making sure they keep their areas full of white wealthy people and their other concern is working out ways to keep their wealth in the family, ie how to buy houses in Dublin 4 for the children without the children being caught for inheritance tax.

I've no issues talking about immigration policies but Jesus Christ you are caught up on colour fairly badly. I'd rather a sound brown fella than a close-minded ''pale white'' Irish wanker any day.

tretorn wrote: »

I identify as a white person and prefer to be around white people.

There's a word for that. Everyone knows what is is but I'll refrain.

I love how you say you wanna be around whites only but then say;

tretorn wrote: »

I am no different to black people or Asian people

The irony is lovely. Best is this though, when you speak for literally billions of people;

tretorn wrote: »

they prefer to live among their own people too.

How can they simultaneously wanna only live among their own yet move away from their own country, which is presumably even more full of their own?! It's like Scrodinger's immigrant, stealing all our jobs but yet on welfare.

tretorn wrote: »

Its a ridiculous idea sending refugees to places like this and the agency responsible do it because its a case of least resistance, well in their nice offices in Dublin they thought the locals would put up with it. They now know that foisting immigrants in rural backwaters won’t work ...

There is a hell of a lot to that statement.

Berserker wrote: »

Why is it ridiculous? Every time I hear people talking about rural Ireland, they come out with the same lines about rural Ireland dying and the need to draw people into these areas. Integrating these people into these communities is a great way to breathe new life into them.

So the solution is to dump 50-100 people from God knows where into a small village in the middle of nowhere with shag all future prospects of work or shag all current facilities.

How many people commenting here have actually been in Rooskey, bar driving past it on the bypass on the way to Sligo?

At this stage it almost looks like there is a concerted effort by state authorities to turn Roscommon into a refugee camp.
Maybe it is the luvvie lefties revenge for the same sex marriage referendum vote. :rolleyes:

These locations have been chosen firstly because they have found some very willing hoteliers or more correctly ex hoteliers who want to make easy cash from their failed businesses and secondly because they are nowhere near a load of people of influence who will complain.

The sites are announced with no consultation with locals.

Now one can lambast the locals as being racists and the like, but then again maybe the locals have seen what has happened in some places in Germany, etc and maybe some of them don't want that for their locality.

Also maybe the locals have enough cop on to realise the local crumbling infrastructure and services can't even cope with their needs never mind the huge needs of people who have no existing natural local support infrastructure and who need supports to help them settle into a very foreign environment.

The lesson the state and the "refugee industry" (it is now very much an industry) should take out of this is you can't force stuff down people's throats without some backlashes.

Even if one looks at it from the "asylum seekers/refugees" viewpoint, what the fook are they expected to do in a small village in Roscommon ?
Spend their days fishing on Shannon ?

I have come across the same thing in parts of Italy, where the state and "refugee industry" have dumped loads of people (primarily young males) in small towns and villages.
They were either just hanging around, usually on mobiles which I couldn't understand how afforded them, or the more enterprising ones were hassling tourists selling tat.

Let me tell you there aren't that many tourists in Roscommon. :rolleyes:

Not in the current way now. There has to be reasonable action to intergrate communities. Events, workplaces etc. so each community can de mystify the other and find a balance of understanding.

Not shoved into a quaint rural community that is rightly to be aggreived that refugees are now on their door step. With no way to intergrate into the community because lack of housing, jobs and as a result the opportunity to be a part of a community.

Rural Ireland is dissapearing. You have the majority of young people getting out as soon as they can, half the village/town closed down or at least decent shops replaced by takeaways/bars/bookies. Let's not delude ourselves, there needs to be an injection of life and new blood in some places to shake things up.

I would be all for intergrating and reinvigorating these areas with much needed new blood. If people are worried about their way of life consider that they are still the outnumbered. And like most humans will want to understand and get on with having life in a new country.

After all we are a nation of emigration, it's in our history.