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DCM 2019 - Mentored Novices Thread

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  • #2132
    Huzzah!
    Registered Users Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Huzzah!


    Folks, same as always, if anyone has any concerns or would like to approach the half more cautiously, we're here to advise.

    Good luck to those racing Tullamore tomorrow. I expect some race reports. Good luck also to you all on your LSRs. Do drop in to let us know how you got on.


  • #2133
    Sorbet
    Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭Sorbet


    Is it just me or is it getting hot in here :) fair dues to everyone - all sharing your opinions with us novices - much appreciated.

    I'll lighten the mood - delighted to get my 19 mile LSR done today.

    From my log:

    In case they drop by, a quick thanks to Treviso and Kellygirl for the advice on eating day before and morning of the LSR. Did my 19 mile longest run this morning and while it wasn't easy it was certainly the easiest of my +10 mile runs. I believe largely down to eating pasta the night before (as well as a separate dinner) and a good breakfast. I'm definitely going to keep that up going forward for long runs.

    I did have a curious wobble at km 14 of 30 where I just craved food - aqua gel didn't sort it and happily I was running in a park doing 5/6k loops and had brought some "emergency" jellies in the car. They sorted me right out and didn't look back. Is that a thing - where you need the sensation of eating something?!!

    Anyway thanks again - just another example of the great advice you get on here. Be lost without it.

    Best of luck everyone with your LSRs or races this weekend. I'll look on with interest as your runs come through on Strava while I have a lie in. I'm not gloating, honest :P


  • #2134
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Best of luck to all racing in Tullamore! Looking forward to ticking 19miles off my plan tomorrow!


  • #2135
    deconduo
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 4,281 Mod ✭✭✭✭deconduo


    Hey folks. I've never done any proper excercise/sports in my life (totally unfit apart from a bit of easy cycling) - but I started running back at the start of the summer by doing the C25K. Did the 8 weeks and have been running pretty regularly since. I've also been doing parkruns for the last 6 weeks now as well.

    I'd love to be able to run the DCM next year. Any advice/tips on what I should be doing over the autumn/winter to be in a position to do this programme next year?


  • #2136
    Rossi7
    Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭Rossi7


    Supercell wrote: »
    Way to miss my point entirely....
    Lets keep the personal attacks out of this please.

    Remind me again what your point was ? Not to listen to the advice given that it’s ok to race on tired legs ?
    If your going to question the mentors might be advisable to send them a message rather than call them out on the Novice post. If this years Novices are doubting themselves then posts like yours isn’t going to help them.
    There’s as much benefit to training & racing on tired legs. Any level of runner is going to be tired coming closer to DCM that’s the whole point


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  • #2137
    juke
    Registered Users Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Supercell wrote: »
    I strongly feel that if you are very tired , and many will be by now, then don't race it, its inviting injury. Enjoy the event and all the comradery etc that comes from the build up, it can be a fun run while still giving some recovery for the next couple of weeks ahead and maintaining fitness reached.
    If you are carrying a niggle now then racing anything and then then doing an 18 miler the next weekend is going to be not much fun.

    I've said this before, Supercell: why question the plans?

    If the plans have races built in, then they're there for a reason. It gives a novice a good chance to see how their training has helped their strength, endurance and speed. A chance to see how much some adrenaline in their system has an effect after weeks of easy running. A chance to see how the body recovers after hard effort.

    That doesn't give someone carte blanch to ignore their body and race all out when they know they shouldn't. I really think novices should trust their plans, but above all, listen to their own body.


  • #2138
    skyblue46
    Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Oh for the love of the good Lord Himself! Sometimes I read crap and every now and again I get to see it taken to a new level. :eek:

    Firstly, the suggestion that your mentors are giving you bad advice is beyond laughable. It is a downright rude and baseless remark, the lowest I have seen on any recent mentored Novices thread. An apology should be forthcoming.

    For any novices who have read some of the posts above suggesting it is sensible not to race between now and the marathon....please please disregard the nonsense and scaremongering. There is absolutely no reason to fear racing except for the 3/4 Marathon a few weeks before DCM.

    The plan you are following allows you to race it. It has an easy week before it and a recovery week after it. It is only a risk if you ignore the advice to run easy runs easy during those two weeks. I have been on this thread for 3 years now as a novice, an assistant mentor and this year as an interested spectator. It has gotten so many people over the line and those who put the work in, follow the plan and embrace the logic behind it have positive outcomes. Those who don't seem not to make the start line!

    Injuries can happen. I have had a couple this year. But to suggest there is any increased injury risk by racing the half is nonsensical. Yes it's possible you'll find it tough. It's possible that heavy legs will prevent you running as fast as you hope to. Racing in the middle of a training block does that. All you have to do is look at some race reports from the Frank Duffy to see that. Many far more experienced runners than you struggled and believe me it wasn't just because of the heat. It will still be of great benefit to you to give the half a good lash.


  • #2139
    py
    Registered Users Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭py


    Looks like 20Km/hr winds in the morning for LSR. Do people think a jacket is required for that?


  • #2140
    Kellygirl
    Registered Users Posts: 3,020 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    py wrote: »
    Looks like 20Km/hr winds in the morning for LSR. Do people think a jacket is required for that?

    I wouldn’t think so unless it’s less than 10 degrees or so ... I think it’s supposed to be dry?


  • #2141
    The Black Oil
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    rizzee wrote: »
    Eating rings around me lately, especially after long runs. Also feeling quite stuffy/blocked nose etc the morning after them runs. Anyone else in the same boat?
    Mr. Guappa wrote: »
    It's pretty common to find yourself having a massive appetite as the training ramps up. Just try to ensure that the majority of what you are eating falls into the healthy category :).

    Our immune systems will be in a slightly weakened state following a long run or tough session. Post-run refueling and recovery is very important. You might find the sections on sleeping and eating in this article relevant.

    Poke your head into the Cooking Club for ideas. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1355

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

    CMod: Entertainment



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  • #2142
    kemcloughlin
    Registered Users Posts: 44 ✭kemcloughlin


    Have had a mad week with back to school, mental workload, thinking a cold was coming...that didn't...halleluiah, tapering for the half this weekend in Tullamore AKA doing absolutely nothing since Tuesday night apart from eating carbs, missing a wedding today, and being tortured by the massage therapist on Wednesday...I have no idea how I ever had time to go running, read these Boards or stalk everyone on Strava…! Running may have tapered but life certainly didn't.

    Good luck to everyone who is running in Tullamore tomorrow - it's all very pink! I have no idea what anyone looks like but do say hello if you come across me...we're making a night of it with a stay afterwards in the Bridge House. We're like 2 bold teenagers - we haven't told the kids we're not coming back (I don't want to arrive back to the afters of a house party...!)


  • #2143
    DeepBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 3,668 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    kemcloughlin wrote: »
    we haven't told the kids we're not coming back (I don't want to arrive back to the afters of a house party...!)
    Hopefully they don't read here or else that plan might be scuppered. :pac:


  • #2144
    DBB
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,726 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    Omg kemcloughlin, what are ye like :D:D
    I'll be keeping an eye out for you in the morning, I'll be the one in pink :D
    The wind will be more or less against us for the first half, but that means it'll be behind us for the second :)


  • #2145
    The Black Oil
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    deconduo wrote: »
    Hey folks. I've never done any proper excercise/sports in my life (totally unfit apart from a bit of easy cycling) - but I started running back at the start of the summer by doing the C25K. Did the 8 weeks and have been running pretty regularly since. I've also been doing parkruns for the last 6 weeks now as well.

    I'd love to be able to run the DCM next year. Any advice/tips on what I should be doing over the autumn/winter to be in a position to do this programme next year?

    Started C25K myself in 2011. Post some more info around what you've been doing. See about moving on to 10k. Look at targeting a race for some time in the new year, you might even get there soon, but hard to know without seeing your current training.

    Consider starting a log. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1139

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

    CMod: Entertainment



  • #2146
    deconduo
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 4,281 Mod ✭✭✭✭deconduo


    The Black Oil wrote: »
    Started C25K myself in 2011. Post some more info around what you've been doing. See about moving on to 10k. Look at targeting a race for some time in the new year, you might even get there soon, but hard to know without seeing your current training.

    Consider starting a log. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1139

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    August stats. I try and do the parkrun as fast as I can (28 min at the moment), and then 3-4 easy runs during the week of 5-7k.


  • #2147
    Fraggle07
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭Fraggle07


    Just popping in to say hello. Ye're all doing so great. Great to see all the updates and progress. Well done!

    Irishder hope all goes well with injury and that you're back on your feet soon.

    Not much progress here. Nearly 3 weeks now since I last ran... Getting really nervous as time is ticking. My hip still isn't right. I headed off for test jog earlier this week as I was feeling much better. Unfortunately the pain kicked in at the one mile mark and I had to stop. Saw Physio yesterday, more rest from running and exercises recommended. Got a consultant apt next week for further investigation...

    I was a bit upset after the failed test run. I had to limp back home with tears in my eyes watching loads of people running past me. Just felt it was all slipping through my fingers.... Physio has indicated a 2 week timeframe, and then it's decision time on whether I should continue or not :( Fingers and toes crossed.


  • #2148
    Unknownability
    Registered Users Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Unknownability


    DBB wrote: »
    Omg kemcloughlin, what are ye like :D:D
    I'll be keeping an eye out for you in the morning, I'll be the one in pink :D
    The wind will be more or less against us for the first half, but that means it'll be behind us for the second :)

    I'll be there in the orange mullingar half marathon t shirt, black shorts and blue runners.

    It's never worked out for me in a race where the conditions were against you turned in your favour :eek:


  • #2149
    Mr. Guappa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,701 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    Some healthy debate in here today :). There is no one-size-fits-all solution to training and racing. As always, when asked, we'll offer our considered opinion on your specific situation.

    Well done to those who have their long runs completed already. It's great to have another milestone ticked off.

    Best of luck to those racing (:eek::pac:) in the morning, and also to those of you doing long runs. There is nothing to fear, you are all well able for these distances. Make sure to refuel and recover well afterwards.


  • #2150
    ReeReeG
    Registered Users Posts: 1,754 ✭✭✭ReeReeG


    Unknownability wrote: »
    I'll be there in the orange mullingar half marathon t shirt, black shorts and blue runners.

    It's never worked out for me in a race where the conditions were against you turned in your favour :eek:

    I'll be in the blue irish day of PBs vest, bib 595! Come say hi if you spot me!


  • #2151
    skyblue46
    Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Mr. Guappa wrote: »
    Some healthy debate in here today :). There is no one-size-fits-all solution to training and racing. As always, when asked, we'll offer our considered opinion on your specific situation.

    Well done to those who have their long runs completed already. It's great to have another milestone ticked off.

    Best of luck to those racing (:eek::pac:) in the morning, and also to those of you doing long runs. There is nothing to fear, you are all well able for these distances. Make sure to refuel and recover well afterwards.

    You should be a politician! :pac:


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  • #2152
    Lombardo123
    Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭Lombardo123


    Long run completed, 19 miles. New territory for me and a lot more daunting beforehand than it turned out to be if you do it right. One of my more fluid runs.

    Based on the feedback here, I was well hydrated during the week and ate LOADS the last few days. I managed to get 2l water in throughout the run along with a few gels and even ran the last 12 miles of the course, which was a part of the route I wanted to get familiar with. Feeling tired now but that's to be expected.

    Looking for some advice on next week's training. For a number of reasons, my next long run needs to take place Thursday (Family wedding Friday which writes Saturday off and an early flight Sunday.. Monday means 20 miles in Spanish heat which I don't like either). Thays why I brought forward this week's to tonight so I had an extra nights sleep between them.

    Front loading the runs Sunday through to Tuesday next week doesn't bother me if that's what's required with a rest Wednesday before 20m Thursday but wondering is there a better way? Thanks.

    Good luck to all in Tullamore tomorow.


  • #2153
    py
    Registered Users Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭py


    Legs felt better on the LSR today, expect them to be back to normal come Tuesday's run.

    Best of luck to those racing today.


  • #2154
    Doc76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 116 ✭✭Doc76


    Good luck to everyone racing today! Looking forward to the race reports :)


  • #2155
    Rega
    Registered Users Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Rega


    17 miles done this morning. Felt fine. Looking forward to a nice quiet weekend now. Best of luck to all the runners today!


  • #2156
    akenno
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭akenno


    Took the advice here and brought the pace back on my LSR today, did 30km in avg 6min pace. Felt good to do it, legs weren't doing too bad, the mental thoughts are starting to creep in. I did find it boring however running slower than usual, but I'll put up with that if it is the way to go.


  • #2157
    eabha19
    Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭eabha19


    Euphoric after finishing the 19miles this morning. My sister and her friend met me for the last 7 miles so mentally I was just getting to 12 miles and then let them chat me through the rest finishing with the park run in Castletown - it really helped, it would have been very long and lonely without them. My heel is very sore now and am limping on it but it usually eases by Sunday - have physio on Tuesday again anyway. It's a right pain - feel like everything is going well except for a damned achilles that snapped 20 years ago and still haunts me. Word to the wise: do not do step aerobics, it's not as harmless as it looks!! Now to bring my daughter to her swimming class after inhaling a post-run breakfast of sausages and eggs. Good luck to the racers and runners today!


  • #2158
    Unknownability
    Registered Users Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Unknownability


    Finally a performance and validation of the hard work and assistance on this thread.

    Will have a PB and expect chip time to be around 95..
    Hope everyone else enjoyed it.

    Chip time 95'30


  • #2159
    DBB
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,726 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    Fantastic running unknownability... it wasn't an easy peasy course by any standards. A lot of undulating, and that bloody wind!
    Still, the stadium finish was fun:D
    Very well done to you, you must be thrilled with yourself :)

    On an entirely different level, my watch time was 2:16:00. That's a 15 minute improvement on my last half marathon in July. Lessons learned too, which is always a good thing.
    And best of all, I got to meet kemcloughlin, who will by now be wining and dining her way around Tullamore on her secret day away from the kids:D


  • #2160
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Fantastic PBs Unknownability and DBB - well done!

    I don't quite know what happened this morning for my 19mile LSR, but I had the time of my life! It felt so easy the entire way and at the end I could have kept going. 30km was always a bit of a mental barrier for me, but now that I've broken it I feel amazing!

    Celebrating with a mug of tea, cuddles with the doggy and an early night :pac:


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  • #2161
    Unknownability
    Registered Users Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Unknownability


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Fantastic PBs Unknownability and DBB - well done!

    I don't quite know what happened this morning for my 19mile LSR, but I had the time of my life! It felt so easy the entire way and at the end I could have kept going. 30km was always a bit of a mental barrier for me, but now that I've broken it I feel amazing!

    Celebrating with a mug of tea, cuddles with the doggy and an early night :pac:

    Thank you, I was just looking at your run and was getting dizzy looking at the blue line showing your route. Really looking forward to getting back to slow miles next week.


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