Wages - Creches and childcare workers COVID 19

jonny_b · 12-03-2020 8:43pm #1

Are the government paying creche owners and childcare workers the €305 per week for shutting them down? What way will rates have to be paid? Will there be consideration here?

Fann Linn · 12-03-2020 8:46pm

jonny_b wrote: »

Are the government paying creche owners and childcare workers the €305 per week for shutting them down? What way will rates have to be paid? Will there be consideration here?

I actually think that payment exists only if you have the virus, or are in isolation while testing for it. I am open to correction though.

dartboardio · 12-03-2020 8:49pm

No, they are not.

This €305 pw payment everyone is on about is only an illness benefit payment for people affected by the virus.

Not just a payment to support people out of work.

Employer must have a policy in place for peoples pay, if not, then itll be the normal dole of 200 euro at the moment

jonny_b · 12-03-2020 8:51pm

dartboardio wrote: »

No, they are not.

This €305 pw payment everyone is on about is only an illness benefit payment for people affected by the virus.

Not just a payment to support people out of work.

Employer must have a policy in place for peoples pay, if not, then itll be the normal dole of 200 euro at the moment

Hard on employers outside of Dublin who don't charge extornate rates for childcare...

dm1979 · 12-03-2020 10:57pm

I'm in a community creche, and despite the fact that government payments to our creche for different schemes will continue to be paid, the staff will unfortunately be not. This has led to alot of panicked conversations about bills, mortgages and the general cost of living. Whats everyone elses situation, will you be paid?

jonny_b · 12-03-2020 11:01pm

dm1979 wrote: »

I'm in a community creche, and despite the fact that government payments to our creche for different schemes will continue to be paid, the staff will unfortunately be not. This has led to alot of panicked conversations about bills, mortgages and the general cost of living. Whats everyone elses situation, will you be paid?

Unfortunately scheme payments coming in won't even cover the cost of monthly wages, let alone rent rates insurance.

baldbear · 12-03-2020 11:03pm

Will parents have to pay for childcare when their kids can't attend?

Toastytoes · 13-03-2020 12:09am

jonny_b wrote: »

Hard on employers outside of Dublin who don't charge extornate rates for childcare...

This is bollox, pardon my language, our crèche is changing us full fees, not even a token reduction for the reduced outgoings they are going to have over the next few weeks. Won’t have to heat or light the building, no cooking meals or providing snacks, no laundry costs. Yet we’re paying full fees while also taking unpaid leave from our own jobs to mind our child.

McCrack · 13-03-2020 12:16am

Toastytoes wrote: »

This is bollox, pardon my language, our crèche is changing us full fees, not even a token reduction for the reduced outgoings they are going to have over the next few weeks. Won’t have to heat or light the building, no cooking meals or providing snacks, no laundry costs. Yet we’re paying full fees while also taking unpaid leave from our own jobs to mind our child.

I wouldnt be expecting crèches to refund fees at all. You will just have to suck it up I'm afraid. Health is more important.

Toastytoes · 13-03-2020 12:18am

McCrack wrote: »

I wouldnt be expecting crèches to refund fees at all. You will just have to suck it up I'm afraid. Health is more important.

I fully accept health is the main priority but there is no denying our crèche is profiting from this situation which is disgusting.

McCrack · 13-03-2020 11:45am

Toastytoes wrote: »

I fully accept health is the main priority but there is no denying our crèche is profiting from this situation which is disgusting.

I would hope they are making a profit as they are a business.

They need to money to pay overheads which continue despite being shut down. If they don't have enough money they close for good and you will have to find somewhere else to bring your child to.

TheValeyard · 13-03-2020 11:52am

McCrack wrote: »

I would hope they are making a profit as they are a business.

They need to money to pay overheads which continue despite being shut down. If they don't have enough money they close for good and you will have to find somewhere else to bring your child to.

Overheads wound be greatly reduced if their are no staff or children in the premises for two weeks?

jonny_b · 13-03-2020 12:01pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

Overheads wound be greatly reduced if their are no staff or children in the premises for two weeks?

Rates won't be reduced. Rent won't be reduced. Insurance won't be reduced. No kids then there's no fees in a good deal of pay as you go creches. It's not all pay your fee to keep your place in every creche

TheValeyard · 13-03-2020 12:08pm

jonny_b wrote: »

Rates won't be reduced. Rent won't be reduced. Insurance won't be reduced. No kids then there's no fees in a good deal of pay as you go creches. It's not all pay your fee to keep your place in every creche

Insurance is paid throughout the year. So can see why you'd still contribute to that. But ESB, heat, washing, food, all greatly reduced. Should be reflected in price. Particularly if staff are not paid.

McCrack · 13-03-2020 12:25pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

Insurance is paid throughout the year. So can see why you'd still contribute to that. But ESB, heat, washing, food, all greatly reduced. Should be reflected in price. Particularly if staff are not paid.

Insurance is paid once a year - a big lump sum or by monthly instalments

and fees are necessary pay that and all the other overheads of running a business and to have money in the bank for next year etc

jonny_b · 13-03-2020 12:26pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

Insurance is paid throughout the year. So can see why you'd still contribute to that. But ESB, heat, washing, food, all greatly reduced. Should be reflected in price. Particularly if staff are not paid.

Food comes straight from employers pocket as far as I know. No vat claimed in creches as far as I am aware. I could be wrong

salmocab · 13-03-2020 12:28pm

jonny_b wrote: »

Food comes straight from employers pocket as far as I know. No vat claimed in creches as far as I am aware. I could be wrong

No they can’t claim vat back.

mloc123 · 13-03-2020 12:30pm

I am happy to pay my usual fees.... once staff are getting paid. But if staff are not getting paid, I will be pissed

spurshero · 13-03-2020 12:34pm

Why would staff not be getting paid if crèches are taking in same money as they do every other week as parents pay even if kids don’t attend . If staff Are not being paid but crèches are still charging full whack then that is disgusting behaviour .

starbaby2003 · 13-03-2020 12:55pm

mloc123 wrote: »

I am happy to pay my usual fees.... once staff are getting paid. But if staff are not getting paid, I will be pissed

They should be mandated to pay staff if they are charging fees.

PmMeUrDogs · 13-03-2020 12:57pm

mloc123 wrote: »

I am happy to pay my usual fees.... once staff are getting paid. But if staff are not getting paid, I will be pissed

I know of several different creches taking full pay from parents and not paying staff a penny.

jonny_b · 13-03-2020 12:58pm

spurshero wrote: »

Why would staff not be getting paid if crèches are taking in same money as they do every other week as parents pay even if kids don’t attend . If staff Are not being paid but crèches are still charging full whack then that is disgusting behaviour .

I agree but only if the creche is charging parents fees while Closed. Its the right thing to do. However there are creches out there that have pay as you go policies such as parents dictating the hours of what their child will be using a week in advance and only pay for said hours.

mloc123 · 13-03-2020 1:05pm

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

I know of several different creches taking full pay from parents and not paying staff a penny.

Yup... one thing was clear on collection yesterday, fees are expected... one thing was not clear, if the staff in the rooms would be getting paid :mad:

jonny_b · 13-03-2020 1:13pm

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

I know of several different creches taking full pay from parents and not paying staff a penny.

Not right I completely agree. The creche my OH is in don't have any fees coming in but have agreed in good faith to top up their social as best they can and in times of uncertainty it could could be closed as far out as 20th april

daheff · 13-03-2020 1:20pm

spurshero wrote: »

Why would staff not be getting paid if crèches are taking in same money as they do every other week as parents pay even if kids don’t attend . If staff Are not being paid but crèches are still charging full whack then that is disgusting behaviour .

Staff won't be paid in those unscrupulous establishments. They'll keep charging parents, lay off staff for no work and keep the extra money.

Not all creches will be like this, but there will be a few who will do that.

Govt should force the creches that keep charging parents monthly fees to keep paying staff.

salmocab · 13-03-2020 1:27pm

Crèches that are charging should certainly be paying staff, most will have been paid at the start of the month so should certainly be paying for the two weeks. If it’s extended beyond then I can see parents not paying and staff being let go temporarily, this will have knock on effects when they do reopen as some staff may not come back which will be a further knock to an already struggling industry.

Toastytoes · 13-03-2020 1:36pm

jonny_b wrote: »

Food comes straight from employers pocket as far as I know. No vat claimed in creches as far as I am aware. I could be wrong

Are you joking? Food is a business expense for the crèche, VAT has nothing to do with taking a tax deduction on business expenses. There’s no way the owners of crèches are paying for food for the crèche our of their own pocket and it is most certainly factored in to our monthly crèche fee, as I’d expect it to be. It’s not a charity they are running.

But if April rolls around and they can’t reopen and there is no reduction in fees to reflect their reduced outgoings I’ll be expecting my crèche to provide the snacks that they are charging me for, they can send them home in a doggie bag.

FishOnABike · 13-03-2020 1:41pm

People may have already paid a monthly fee in advance for the current month but if the closures continue beyond the end of the month I can't see how creches can continue to charge for a service which they cannot provide.

enricoh · 14-03-2020 9:37am

Pay e1400 for a 4 day week for our two. Will let March go but will be looking for a good reduction for April if not paying staff.
Very happy with creche though and it's hard to find a creche space locally if they play hardball.
We need them more than they need us realistically!

Olivia Pope · 18-03-2020 8:32pm

Our creche contacted today. We have to pay until the end of March as they are paying all staff a full wage until the end of March. We don't have to pay anything after April 1st. One of the creche workers babysit for me and she has confirmed to me that they are being paid until the end of the month. I am happy with that and relieved. One less bill for awhile. This is in Cork City, Southern suburb.

Markcheese · 18-03-2020 8:49pm

I'm surprised ,no one has started an Uber style website for childcare workers ..a bit more continuity than Uber maybe .. some childcare workers offering to mind in your home ,some in theirs ..
Payment by card ? , Insurance being the parents issue ,? . Only qualified vetted staff on the site ...
And back up available for holidays / sick days ect ..

Wages - Creches and childcare workers COVID 19

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