2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

Boggles · 24-02-2020 5:06pm

notobtuse wrote: »

And if you look at the demographic characteristics of target voters in key swing states, Russian attempts at interference had no effect on the election results.

I'm pretty sure that is just a Sean Hannity talking point.

i.e. nonsensical gibberish.

But if you would like to elaborate I'll entertain it.

notobtuse · 24-02-2020 5:10pm

Boggles wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that is just a Sean Hannity talking point.

i.e. nonsensical gibberish.

But if you would like to elaborate I'll entertain it.

Then you’d be wrong, as usual.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_alan_i_abramowitz/did_russian_interference_affect_the_2016_election_results

Boggles · 24-02-2020 6:21pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Then you’d be wrong, as usual.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_alan_i_abramowitz/did_russian_interference_affect_the_2016_election_results

New study suggests Trump's 2016 poll numbers rose after increased Russian troll farm tweets

I'd bring up the DNC hack, but you think Ukraine did that so I won't bother.

notobtuse · 24-02-2020 10:09pm

Boggles wrote: »

New study suggests Trump's 2016 poll numbers rose after increased Russian troll farm tweets

I'd bring up the DNC hack, but you think Ukraine did that so I won't bother.

From your article…

"Any correlation established by an observational study could be spurious.”

I remember the election. I saw Trump’s poll numbers continue to rise as time went on. And I saw his rallies begin to turn people away because so many wanted to attend. I’d say he won 1,000 times more than some Russians on social media because he was fighter, an outsider, he cared about the forgotten middle-class, he promised to blow up the establishment, Hillary ignored key battleground states, and because many of us didn’t cotton to being considered deplorables by Hillary, democrats and their media handmaidens.

Calhoun · 24-02-2020 10:12pm

notobtuse wrote: »

It’s already too late in this election for the democrats. Even MSNBC is living in terror of their impending defeat. The democrats best bet is to focus on 2024 when Trump reign ends. America has broken up with the current democratic party. The DNC needs to immediately focus on how they go about getting their party back.

I honest to god hope not, Trump is not good for the world but at the same time the democrats need to stop trying to force another Obama moment.

You can draw similar parallels to some of our own in the recent election. Those who focused on local & national issues and understood their areas were fine. Those who focused on national items only were kinda screwed.

notobtuse · 24-02-2020 10:53pm

Calhoun wrote: »

I honest to god hope not, Trump is not good for the world but at the same time the democrats need to stop trying to force another Obama moment.

You can draw similar parallels to some of our own in the recent election. Those who focused on local & national issues and understood their areas were fine. Those who focused on national items only were kinda screwed.

I’m beginning to wonder if the democrats don’t get behind Sanders if he is in a good position to win the nomination. I keep reading that the DNC will use some method to put in a establishment democrat over Sanders at the convention. But all the democrats are pushing almost the same socialistic policies as Sanders. And none of them will be able to beat Trump. It’s almost unheard of to not go with an incumbent president, and add to it a good economy, high stock market, more decent paying jobs, rising wages low unemployment numbers, and it’s about a sure of a win as you can get. Maybe the democrats will go with the socialist Sanders to show their base how bad a loss the election was by such a surge to the left. Maybe with a trouncing the democrats could win back those they lost outside the two coasts and urban areas.

I think South Carolina is Biden's do or die moment, but he still stick around to Super Tuesday if his funds don't dry up. Also, Bloomberg needs to review Trump's 2016 debate tactics and go full-Trump in the next debate if he wants to have any chance of getting decent vote numbers.

Calhoun · 24-02-2020 11:54pm

notobtuse wrote: »

I’m beginning to wonder if the democrats don’t get behind Sanders if he is in a good position to win the nomination. I keep reading that the DNC will use some method to put in a establishment democrat over Sanders at the convention. But all the democrats are pushing almost the same socialistic policies as Sanders. And none of them will be able to beat Trump. It’s almost unheard of to not go with an incumbent president, and add to it a good economy, high stock market, more decent paying jobs, rising wages low unemployment numbers, and it’s about a sure of a win as you can get. Maybe the democrats will go with the socialist Sanders to show their base how bad a loss the election was by such a surge to the left. Maybe with a trouncing the democrats could win back those they lost outside the two coasts and urban areas.

I think South Carolina is Biden's do or die moment, but he still stick around to Super Tuesday if his funds don't dry up. Also, Bloomberg needs to review Trump's 2016 debate tactics and go full-Trump in the next debate if he wants to have any chance of getting decent vote numbers.

I would have thought Sanders would be the popular support to get it. If anyone could go against Trump and sell the policies it would be him or even Warren considering her record. Instead they are fighting each other because of whats between their legs, I don't think they really give a **** about the state of the economy ect.

Will be interesting to see how it goes all the same but if they do fail to launch this time around they may have to go back and reconsider what was so toxic that people would want four more years of Trump.

Outlaw Pete · 25-02-2020 9:23am

https://twitter.com/realPowerTie/status/1232175293286244354

Boggles · 25-02-2020 9:31am

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realPowerTie/status/1232175293286244354

They are some of the most over used stock phrase in American politics.

Hardly a surprise.

Edit: Also "PowerTie", the fúcking state of it.

No wonder you are like you are.

notobtuse · 25-02-2020 2:47pm

Would a Bernie Sanders nomination flip Congress to a majority of Republicans in the House?

Bernie Sanders’ nomination could drag down vulnerable House Democrats trying to hold onto their competitive districts, according to a new poll conducted for Mike Bloomberg's campaign that is circulating among members — providing fresh data for moderates warning about a wipeout if Sanders emerges to lead their ticket against President Donald Trump.

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But Sanders' potential impact extends beyond the presidential race. A plurality of voters, 39 percent, say they will be less likely to vote for a Democrat for Congress if Sanders is the Democratic nominee and his ideas are folded into the party platform.

Go Sanders! Too bad my state doesn’t allow a republican to vote in the primary election for a democrat like other states do.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/25/bloomberg-internal-poll-claims-bernie-would-hurt-downballot-dems-117290

I work this evening so I won’t get to see the democrat debate. Bloomberg needs to come out fighting. He should hit Sanders for his 'Rape Fantasy' essay” he wrote in 1972 for the Vermont Freeman. And if Warren and Klobuchar go after Bloomberg again for NDA’s he needs to follow Trump’s tactic and flip the negative back at the attackers. Warren and Klobuchar demand interns sign NDA’s to work in their offices (I know this because my daughter is currently working on obtaining a required internship for her university in DC with Congress). As an intern the NDA wouldn’t even allow her to speak out if she is subjected to sexual harassment on the job.

notobtuse · 25-02-2020 2:54pm

Boggles wrote: »

They are some of the most over used stock phrase in American politics.

Hardly a surprise.

Edit: Also "PowerTie", the fúcking state of it.

No wonder you are like you are.

Ad hominem (Latin for "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, typically refers to a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

notobtuse · 25-02-2020 3:05pm

Over the weekend, socialist Bernie Sanders gave an interview at CNN. And this guy is the presumptive democratic party nominee?

Anderson Cooper: Do you know how all-- how much though? I mean, do you have a price tag for-- for all of this?

Bernie Sanders: We do. I mean, you know, and-- and-- the price tag is-- it will be substantially less than letting the current system go. I think it's about $30 trillion.

Anderson Cooper: That's just for Medicare for All, you're talking about?

Bernie Sanders: That's just Medicare for All, yes.

Anderson Cooper: Do you have-- a price tag for all of these things?

Bernie Sanders: No, I don't. We try to-- no, you mentioned making public colleges and universities tuition free and canceling all student debt, that's correct. That's what I want to do. We pay for that through a modest tax on Wall Street speculation.

Anderson Cooper: But you say you don't know what the total price is, but you know how it's gonna be paid for. How do you know it's gonna be paid for if you don't know how much the price is?

Bernie Sanders: Well, I can't-- you know, I can't rattle off to you ever nickel and every dime. But we have accounted for-- you-- you talked about Medicare for All. We have options out there that will pay for it.

So Bernie Sanders, who is so far winning most if not all of the democrat primaries so far, doesn't know how much all his plans costs, that he is running on in the primary, or how to pay for them. Who has been putting stupid pills in the democrat’s water?

Go Bernie!

Joe_ Public · 25-02-2020 3:32pm

Sanders also said this and he's right but people hear what they want to hear both sides of argument is how it goes:

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"And yet, where are people saying, "How are you going to pay for over $750 billion on military spending?" How you going to pay for a trillion dollars in tax breaks to the 1% in large corporations which was what Trump did? When you help the billionaires and you help Wall Street, "Hey! Of course we can pay for it. That's what America's supposed to be about." Well, I disagree."

BanditLuke · 25-02-2020 3:36pm

It's over for the democrats. All they can do now is limit the defeat and hope he doesn't win the popular vote by that much. They are utterly pathetic and spent the last few years making up fake rubbish about Trump that nobody cared about in a booming economy instead of shaping a real candidate to challange him.

notobtuse · 25-02-2020 3:43pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Sanders also said this and he's right but people hear what they want to hear both sides of argument is how it goes:

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"And yet, where are people saying, "How are you going to pay for over $750 billion on military spending?" How you going to pay for a trillion dollars in tax breaks to the 1% in large corporations which was what Trump did? When you help the billionaires and you help Wall Street, "Hey! Of course we can pay for it. That's what America's supposed to be about." Well, I disagree."

There's quite a difference between $750 billion/$1 Trillion and some $100 Trillion agenda, wouldn't you agree?

Joe_ Public · 25-02-2020 4:14pm

notobtuse wrote: »

There's quite a difference between $750 billion/$1 Trillion and some $100 Trillion agenda, wouldn't you agree?

Okay, but thats 7tn and 10tn over 10 years just to put it in proper perspective. Theres a lot more he could have added. But of course its only right he faces tough questions about his spending plans and the sheer scale will be tricky for him. Afaik his plans are all fully costed and there will be a manifesto laying them out so I'm a bit puzzled as to the nature of the above interview.

notobtuse · 25-02-2020 4:23pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Okay, but thats 7tn and 10tn over 10 years just to put it in proper perspective. Theres a lot more he could have added. But of course its only right he faces tough questions about his spending plans and the sheer scale will be tricky for him. Afaik his plans are all fully costed and there will be a manifesto laying them out so I'm a bit puzzled as to the nature of the above interview.

I dunno... Bernie’s like one of the pod people in Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Things just aren't right.

Boggles · 25-02-2020 4:32pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Okay, but thats 7tn and 10tn over 10 years just to put it in proper perspective. Theres a lot more he could have added. But of course its only right he faces tough questions about his spending plans and the sheer scale will be tricky for him. Afaik his plans are all fully costed and there will be a manifesto laying them out so I'm a bit puzzled as to the nature of the above interview.

It will also save trillions. How much exactly? No one seems to know the plan is so ambitious.

One thing it would do immediately is to wipe out the bloated expensive mess that is insurance in America.

Joe_ Public · 25-02-2020 4:37pm

notobtuse wrote: »

I dunno... Bernie’s like one of the pod people in Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Things just aren't right.

I guess....werent the pods driven by the destruction of the planet? Thats one thing they'd have in common anyway.

Foxtrol · 25-02-2020 6:16pm

BanditLuke wrote: »

It's over for the democrats. All they can do now is limit the defeat and hope he doesn't win the popular vote by that much. They are utterly pathetic and spent the last few years making up fake rubbish about Trump that nobody cared about in a booming economy instead of shaping a real candidate to challange him.

Trump basically had every possible tail wind during his time as president and he has squandered it, in large part due to getting mired in responding to the democrat's attacks on him. Democrats had few cards to play and managed to flip the house during the mid-terms.

How do you believe they could 'shape a real candidate to challenge him'? The US primary system simply doesn't allow for that kind of effort.

Dotsie~tmp · 25-02-2020 6:22pm

Calhoun wrote: »

Trump is not good for the world

Prove it.

Dotsie~tmp · 25-02-2020 6:23pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Trump basically had every possible tail wind during his time as president

Dotsie~tmp · 25-02-2020 6:29pm

BanditLuke wrote: »

It's over for the democrats. All they can do now is limit the defeat and hope he doesn't win the popular vote by that much. They are utterly pathetic and spent the last few years making up fake rubbish about Trump that nobody cared about in a booming economy instead of shaping a real candidate to challange him.

Yeah but in fairness its been absolute gold watching him upend all their brain dead plans, even with almost the entire media establishment, entrenched bureaucracy, stacked lower courts, porno whores, shady lawyers, two political dynasties and lets not forget the power of the Pussy Hats. Its has been truly epic.

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Foxtrol · 25-02-2020 7:10pm

Dotsie~tmp wrote: »

I have no idea what you're trying to say here

Dotsie~tmp wrote: »

Yeah but in fairness its been absolute gold watching him upend all their brain dead plans, even with almost the entire media establishment, entrenched bureaucracy, stacked lower courts, porno whores, shady lawyers, two political dynasties and lets not forget the power of the Pussy Hats. Its has been truly epic.

Like most trolls, he's gotten incredibly little accomplished aside from open goals, like court appointments. Sure, he offended a bunch of people but despite controlling congress and senate he had no legislative accomplishments and pretty much everything he has done can be overturned quickly. All he has really done is to show that the Republicans never really stood for small government or fiscal responsibility.

notobtuse · 25-02-2020 7:35pm

Now Joe Biden thinks he’s running for the Senate and not president? And if they don't like him they can "vote for the other Biden?" It’s getting tragic at this point. The campaign is obviously taking its toll on him. Go home Joe and enjoy retirement.

Dotsie~tmp · 25-02-2020 7:38pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

I have no idea what you're trying to say here

Like most trolls, he's gotten incredibly little accomplished aside from open goals, like court appointments. Sure, he offended a bunch of people but despite controlling congress and senate he had no legislative accomplishments and pretty much everything he has done can be overturned quickly.

Hasn't done anything.
Everything he has done can be overturned.

Make your mind up lad. Anyone who would overturn the below, has no real love for the poor or working people. There's something else going on in their sneaky minds.

Almost 4 million jobs created since election.

More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.

We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.

Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.

Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.

New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.

Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.

African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.

Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.

Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.

Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.

Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.

Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.

Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.

Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.

The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.

95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.

Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.

Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.

As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.

Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.

Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.

Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.

Record number of regulations eliminated.

Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.

Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.

My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.

Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.

We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.

Signed Right-To-Try legislation.

Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.

We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.

Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.

Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.

United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.

Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.

Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.

Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.

NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.

Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.

Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.

Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.

Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.

Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.

Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.

Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.

Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.

Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.

Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.

Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.

Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.

Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.

Englo · 25-02-2020 7:39pm

I see that Trump supporters have now switched from years of "Bernie was a good candidate who could have spoken to and worked for the everyday people better than anyone, but the Democrats conspired to rig the 2016 primaries against him" to "Bernie Sanders is just the worst thing ever", right in line with him taking a notable lead in the democrat primaries.

Gee, nobody could have seen that coming. If he doesn't get the nomination this year, they'll slip back to the former within 48 hours.

Foxtrol · 25-02-2020 8:07pm

Dotsie~tmp wrote: »

Hasn't done anything.
Everything he has done can be overturned.

Make your mind up lad.

I'd advise you do some research on the difference between legislative achievements and what was done with executive powers.

It would clear up your obvious confusion.

Foxtrol · 25-02-2020 8:12pm

Englo wrote: »

I see that Trump supporters have now switched from years of "Bernie was a good candidate who could have spoken to and worked for the everyday people better than anyone, but the Democrats conspired to rig the 2016 primaries against him" to "Bernie Sanders is just the worst thing ever", right in line with him taking a notable lead in the democrat primaries.

Gee, nobody could have seen that coming. If he doesn't get the nomination this year, they'll slip back to the former within 48 hours.

A potential problem for Trump is that Bernie and his supporters are basically the other side of the coin of himself. Both sides are basically a cult of personality so it will be interesting how things unfold

hotmail.com · 25-02-2020 8:15pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

A potential problem for Trump is that Bernie and his supporters are basically the other side of the coin of himself. Both sides are basically a cult of personality so it will be interesting how things unfold

Doesn't every politician receive a cult of personality?

Anyway, most people in America will vote on party lines.

2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

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