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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    greysides wrote: »
    Interesting as it shows the development of knowledge of Coronavirus epidemiology.


    https://bbc.in/2MgL2V6

    It would be interesting if the same studies were done on other respiratory diseases.
    Asymptomatic infection can happen with flu and presumably more diseases too


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    It would be interesting if the same studies were done on other respiratory diseases.
    Asymptomatic infection can happen with flu and presumably more diseases too

    Certainly possible but I'd have thought those possibilities would have been covered by now.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    COVID-19 is losing its potency and no longer clinically exists in Italy, a senior Italian doctor has claimed.

    Dr Alberto Zangrillo, the head of Milan's San Raffaele Hospital in the hard-hit Lombardy region, said the new coronavirus has become much less lethal, with newly infected patients having weaker symptoms than a couple of months ago.

    Matteo Bassetti, head of the infectious diseases clinic at the San Martino hospital, said: "The strength the virus had two months ago is not the same strength it has today".

    Dr Zangrillo, the long-time physician of former premier Silvio Berlusconi, said some experts were too alarmist about the prospect of a second wave of coronavirus infections and suggested that politicians needed to take into account the new reality.

    He said: "We've got to get back to being a normal country. Someone has to take responsibility for terrorising the country."


    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-no-longer-clinically-exists-in-italy-top-doctor-says-11998608?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter&fbclid=IwAR1m_t1lgQVWnYV_IvkzLQ2TBvJNHslcg6zoWEnc4SXBPA4Afe-JTUlED2g

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    It currently looks like the Ivermectin data showing good results against Covid19 and the Hydroxychloroquine data showing poor results against it came from a questionable source, a company showing access to more data than they could have access to.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/covid-19-surgisphere-who-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine?__twitter_impression=true

    Looks like a lot of studies on lots of effects on humans may be called into question over this and other trial results.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html?__source=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR0klNOspkuKB1N_Ou5Y5dnjfjJDW1Hz9TqgiEqrfdWFuirlwOAhNZX3-wg
    “We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing,” she said. “They’re following asymptomatic cases. They’re following contacts. And they’re not finding secondary transmission onward. It’s very rare.”

    If asymptomatic spread proves to not be a main driver of coronavirus transmission, the policy implications could be tremendous. A report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published on April 1 cited the “potential for presymptomatic transmission” as a reason for the importance of social distancing.

    “These findings also suggest that to control the pandemic, it might not be enough for only persons with symptoms to limit their contact with others because persons without symptoms might transmit infection,” the CDC study said.

    To be sure, asymptomatic and presymptomatic spread of the virus appears to still be happening, Van Kerkhove said but remains rare. That finding has important implications for how to screen for the virus and limit its spread.

    “What we really want to be focused on is following the symptomatic cases,” Van Kerkhove said. “If we actually followed all of the symptomatic cases, isolated those cases, followed the contacts and quarantined those contacts, we would drastically reduce” the outbreak.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    Covid-19 patients most infectious when first showing symptoms - WHO

    Studies show that people with Covid-19 are most infectious when they first show symptoms, according to a scientist with the World Health Organization.

    Maria van Kerkhove, an epidemiologist, is the WHO's technical lead on the pandemic.

    In a briefing today, she said that a sub-set of people do not develop symptoms, but can still infect others, and as many as 40% of transmissions maybe by asymptomatic cases.

    Source: RTE News

    https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2020/0609/1146359-masks-compulsory-in-spain-until-virus-is-eradicated/

    Seems to be a bit of a difference in reporting considering the same WHO scientist is being quoted in this and the previous post.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    There is some opinion that, Covid 19 will actually end up simply being another common cold that four other coronaviruses are, as it loses potency.
    The signs for it three/four months ago didn't look good. It still did a lot of damage and loss of life but hopefully is on the way out.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    The most recent WHO conference is available on their website. It aligns with CNBC report. I listened to a lot of it- the bits where the scientist named spoke- and did not hear the comments reported by RTE. It is possible I missed some but I suspect the RTE report is based on out of date information.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Water John wrote: »
    There is some opinion that, Covid 19 will actually end up simply being another common cold that four other coronaviruses are, as it loses potency.
    The signs for it three/four months ago didn't look good. It still did a lot of damage and loss of life but hopefully is on the way out.

    The other coronavirus strains do also kill, the only big difference between covid and them is covid is new so can infect more people per season


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Looks like cows could be immunised and their blood used to extract the antibodies used for treating humans.
    https://twitter.com/NewstalkFM/status/1270780565457981441?s=19


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    See the interesting clip on RTE News today on how they kept the virus out of Irish prisons. They had an Infection Control Team already in place that had dealt with TB. They started stockpiling PPE in January when they heard about it.

    Also Neil Ferguson saying the UK death numbers would have been half if they had shut down the country, one week sooner. That's 20/30,000 deaths attributed to political incompetence.
    On the present basis, the US will hit 200,000 deaths in September.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,133 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Water John wrote: »
    See the interesting clip on RTE News today on how they kept the virus out of Irish prisons. They had an Infection Control Team already in place that had dealt with TB. They started stockpiling PPE in January when they heard about it.

    Also Neil Ferguson saying the UK death numbers would have been half if they had shut down the country, one week sooner. That's 20/30,000 deaths attributed to political incompetence.
    On the present basis, the US will hit 200,000 deaths in September.
    Can you post a link.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Water John




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,133 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    China has closed some meat, fish and veg markets in Beijing after a number of positive cases of Covid-19 were detected. The articles imply that the virus was transmitted from imported salmon onto cutting boards. Salmon has been removed from all supermarkets and shops.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/new-covid-19-cases-beijing-5122078-Jun2020/?utm_source=facebook_short&fbclid=IwAR33gIXV3rKcueDIwuXLsCDUYeFmolV_uibIIVj1aLdmWwOmobu0xoaAlAk
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/beijing-goes-into-wartime-mode-as-virus-emerges-at-market-in-chinese-capital/2020/06/13/65c5aac8-ad40-11ea-868b-93d63cd833b2_story.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Some interesting results from NZ on tracking flu like symptoms for the last 3 years.
    https://twitter.com/puddleg/status/1272321395595214849?s=19


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Some interesting results from NZ on tracking flu like symptoms for the last 3 years.
    https://twitter.com/puddleg/status/1272321395595214849?s=19

    It will be interesting to see if that is still a good thing in 2 or 3 months time. Getting the flu gives some increased immunity against other respiratory diseases.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭carrollsno1


    It will be interesting to see if that is still a good thing in 2 or 3 months time. Getting the flu gives some increased immunity against other respiratory diseases.

    Saw a similar article about the state of South Australia and it said that the coronavirus will save lives that would have been lost to the common flu due to the social distancing in place for the last few months. Will try find a link later.

    Better living everyone



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    With the Governor of California mandating that masks be worn in public, with Covid 19 cases rising, and many states not doing this, will be a massive experiment and the results should be clear in 3/4 weeks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 981 ✭✭✭einn32


    Restrictions brought back here in Victoria. Only five guests allowed in a house again. More cases have come through with some including positive people continuing to go to work and people with symptoms visiting loved ones.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    It seems the INMO claim we have the worst infection rate for healthcare workers is pretty far from the truth.
    https://twitter.com/Care2much18/status/1275513651319975936?s=19


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It seems the INMO claim we have the worst infection rate for healthcare workers is pretty far from the truth.
    https://twitter.com/Care2much18/status/1275513651319975936?s=19

    There is lies, damned lies and then there is statistics.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Things aren't going well in the US.
    uspthwA.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,056 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    There is lies, damned lies and then there is statistics.

    A bigger scandal is the way HSE are neglecting other patients in the name of COVID 19 and not only that but they have the Private Hospital closed to patients as well.
    Waiting lists were bad enough but they are the pits now. Peoples conditions are worsening and HSE don't give a damn


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,078 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Things aren't going well in the US.
    uspthwA.jpg

    Daughter is just off a zoom call with her friend who moved to America with her family last year. They are staying in a hotel for the weekend. Full use of swimming pool etc.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    COVID-19 (179) - PERU: (LOR) IVERMECTINE, USE OF PARENTERAL VETERINARY PREPARATION, AMERICAN COMMUNITIES
    **************************** ************************************************** *********************************
    A statement from ProMED-mail
    http://www.promedmail.org
    ProMED- mail is a program of the
    International Society for Infectious Diseases
    http://www.isid.org

    Date: June 21, 2020
    Source: El País, Spain
    https://elpais.com/sociencia/2020-06-19/un -peruvian-evangelical-group-injects-a-veterinary-drug-to-thousands-of-
    people.html [Edited by Jaime Torres and Jorge González]


    In the Loreto region, the largest in the Peruvian Amazon, a mayor and an evangelical group have promoted the application of veterinary ivermectin to some 5,000 people. In this disconnected region of Peru, where around one million people live, of whom 300,000 are indigenous, fear of disease and neglect of the State have led many people to accept the injection of the antiparasitic that was presented to them as a palliative. for the Covid-19. “Since May, the mayor of the province of Loreto and an evangelical alliance have called people using radio stations to apply veterinary ivermectin as if it were a vaccine against the disease. In Nauta at least 5,000 people have received it, ”says Leonardo Tello, director of Radio Ucamara,

    Tello says that many people felt tachycardia after receiving the injection. "The side effect has been horrible," he says. The director of Radio Ucamara explains that some evangelical pastors from Loreto have linked the new coronavirus with the devil and the end of the world, offering these injections "as a salvation."

    In the town of Cuninico, a community of the Kukama indigenous people, where a large part of the population had symptoms of Covid-19, the technician of the health module - a prefabricated environment for patient care by the Ministry of Health - told the volunteers from the so-called Evangelical Missions of the Amazon, who no longer needed the “vaccine” because most people were taking care of themselves with traditional medicine, with plants. However, those sent by the evangelical group decided to administer the veterinary ivermectin.

    "The volunteers' explanation was clear and direct that it is approved through a law, and that it is an animal treatment that gives positive results as a vaccine," said the apu -indigenous chief- of Cuninico, Wadson Trujillo Acosta. “They said they are doing it at the national level and also in Nauta, and alerted to side effects such as diarrhea. Some people did produce that reaction, "he described.

    In Cuninico 60% of people over 18 years received the drug. "About 160 people," says Trujillo. “Almost everyone here has had symptoms of Covid-19 and with home remedies they are counteracting them. Some have been in isolation because we continue with the problem of supplying medicines. We received 27 rapid diagnostic tests for the community, seven were positive and we have kept another seven tests in case the cases worsen. The staff has the minimum of security equipment, but we already have masks for the population, ”reports the Trujillo apu.

    Last week, the General Directorate of Medicines of the Ministry of Health warned of the improper use of veterinary ivermectin in the context of the health emergency of covid-19, and pointed out that animal products "do not meet the same requirements of drugs for humans ”. "Presentations of ivermectin formulated for animals should not be used as a substitute for ivermectin intended for human use to treat covid-19," he cautioned.

    Despite the recommendation of the health authority, ivermectin injections promoted by the mayor of the province of Loreto, Giampaolo Rojas, continue. At the health center of the Quichua community of Intuto, the staff continues to administer ivermectin, but "they do not know if it is veterinary or for human use," says Juan Enrique Villacorta, correspondent for Radio Ucamara. Evangelical volunteers have also applied the veterinary drug in the communities of Santa Rita de Castilla and Saramurillo, among others.

    EL PAÍS asked the Ministry of Health and the Regional Health Directorate of Loreto if there are any sanctions against those who have massively administered said veterinary substance, but until the closing of this note there was no response. According to the Loreto health authority, until a couple of days ago, 1,492 indigenous citizens were infected with Covid-19 and 14 have died. In this region, 32% of the people who passed the test have tested positive, a percentage only surpassed by the neighboring Amazon region of Ucayali, with 34%.

    The doctor Julio Chirinos, associate professor at the University of Pennsylvania, affirmed to this media that he completely disagrees with the administration of ivermectin for animals because “animal preparations tend not to have the same quality standards as human preparations. On the other hand, there is no reliable evidence that ivermectin is beneficial against Covid-19, "he said. Chirinos is one of the 12 Peruvian doctors and scientific researchers that this Thursday asked, in an open letter to the Ministry of Health, to withdraw hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin (human) from the treatment of Covid-19, “due to its lack of efficacy and risk of toxicity ”.

    Health versus the economy

    Peru has exceeded Italy's number of infected on Wednesday, with more than 240,000 confirmed cases, and has reported 7,257 deaths from the new coronavirus. In addition, the Medical College has reported that 57 of its members have died after being infected at work. In mental health hospitals there are 217 infected and five deceased. Despite the fact that the virus is still spreading, this Thursday the Government authorized the reopening of the shopping centers. The Minister of Health, Víctor Zamora, said in a conference with the foreign press on Tuesday that the collection of taxes is necessary to allocate them to health care, and this is the reason for the resumption of commercial activity.


    Communicated by: Jaime R. Torres <torresj@email.com>


    - ProMED-ESP

    ................. jt, jg



    [The chronic neglect of the state for serving indigenous populations, lack of education, superstition and manipulation by some religious leaders are combined here. They are the complete ingredients for a disaster. The situation is complicated when self-medication reigns, either due to lack of health care or out of habit. Peru is one of the few countries in the world where most medicines are sold without a prescription and are also sold at retail. Additionally, counterfeiting drugs is a burgeoning industry. On the other hand, if tax collection is so necessary to justify the risky reopening of activities and businesses amid a sustained increase in cases and deaths that have not yet reached their maximum point and even less their inflection point, it is urgent to incorporate the immense mass of illegal workers (badly called informal) into the financial system and to pay taxes just like the formal ones. Unfortunately, no government has worried about it, given the huge number of potential voters. These are complex situations that have exposed (once again) the inability of successive governments to face and correct these serious problems, despite the enormous resources that were generated at the beginning of this century, when there were notable figures of economic growth. Moderator Jorge González] These are complex situations that have exposed (once again) the inability of successive governments to face and correct these serious problems, despite the enormous resources that were generated at the beginning of this century, when there were notable figures of economic growth. Moderator Jorge González] These are complex situations that have exposed (once again) the inability of successive governments to face and correct these serious problems, despite the enormous resources that were generated at the beginning of this century, when there were notable figures of economic growth. Moderator Jorge González]

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    Next!

    Flu virus with 'pandemic potential' found in China


    https://bbc.in/2NGnpFW

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    greysides wrote: »
    Next!

    Flu virus with 'pandemic potential' found in China


    https://bbc.in/2NGnpFW

    Go to bed will ya


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    greysides wrote: »
    Next!

    Flu virus with 'pandemic potential' found in China


    https://bbc.in/2NGnpFW
    They're definitely seems to be a return to scaremongering going on.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    They're definitely seems to be a return to scaremongering going on.

    I'd see it more as a reminder that there will be another, and another ...

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,078 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Anyone watch primetime last night


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