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Ongoing religious scandals

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    #122
    pork99
    Registered Users Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭pork99


    Ireland should turn Protestant. That would learn them :D


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    #123
    Galvasean
    Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Our good source of comedic gold - in a 'it would be funny if it werent so goddamn serious' sort of way friend Cardinal Sean Brady says there is no longer anywhere for abusers to hide in the Catholic Church. Not quite sure if this means he's turning himself in (as someone who aided said abusers)...
    One stand out quote for me is:
    CSB wrote:
    By destroying all arrogance, pride and corruption in the church, by becoming the humble, just and caring community of disciples that Christ intended us to be, we may look back at this historic moment and see in it God’s life-giving and transforming grace.
    Won't be much RCC if you do that now will there?


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    #124
    Galvasean
    Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Flamed Diving wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu-BvGAeb94


    "Fair & balanced"

    The Catholic Church should be a model for dealing with this kind of thing? What the flying fook is he on about??!?!?

    PS: spittiing image of Dick Cheney


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    #125
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    PDN wrote: »
    He actually read a letter from 'a Jewish friend' and the Holocaust wasn't mentioned. But why let the facts get in the way of a good story.
    Cantalamessa apologises, kind of.


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    #126
    Erren Music
    Closed Accounts Posts: 384 ✭✭Erren Music


    Today's shoot yourself in the foot again quote from the church.



    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0408/1224267896125.html


    “What we are dealing with now is a cultural battle: the pope embodies moral truths which people don’t accept and for that reason the shortcomings and errors of priests are used as arms against the church,” he told the Vatican daily L’Osservatore Romano.
    Cardinal Sodano, who at the weekend said the church would not be distracted by “idle gossip”, in an apparent reference to the child abuse scandal, again defended the record of the pope and bishops on the issue.
    “It was not the fault of Jesus if he was betrayed by Judas. Nor is it the fault of a bishop if one of his priests sullies himself with grave crimes. And certainly, it is not the responsibility of the pontiff,” he said.


    Stop supporting these lunatics


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    #127
    The Mad Hatter
    Registered Users Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    The Provincial of the Oregon Province in the US sent several pedophile priests to Alaska, where they could abuse children in secret. There's a lot of horror in this article, but for me the worst was that the Jesuits suggested not paying more than €10k in compensation because they would just use it to "get drunk" and it would lead to more abuse claims.

    There's also the claim that Benedict asked for (and, naturally, received) immunity from arrest for sex crimes from President Bush.

    Link


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    #128
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Cardinal Angelo Sodano wrote:
    “It was not the fault of Jesus if he was betrayed by Judas. Nor is it the fault of a bishop if one of his priests sullies himself with grave crimes. And certainly, it is not the responsibility of the pontiff,” he said.
    There's an interesting comparison to be made there, alright.

    Jesus knew full well he was about be betrayed by Judas, and did nothing to prevent it.


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    #129
    legspin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭legspin


    Dades wrote: »
    There's an interesting comparison to be made there, alright.

    Jesus knew full well he was about be betrayed by Judas, and did nothing to prevent it.

    I'm beginning to think this sounds like suicide by cop.


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    #130
    axer
    Registered Users Posts: 5,517 ✭✭✭axer


    legspin wrote: »
    I'm beginning to think this sounds like suicide by cop.
    Had that argument over on the christian forum but they refused to accept that jesus was a hypocritical sinner for committing suicide (by cop). Maybe the catholic hierarchy are just following jesus' lead in the whole sinning department.


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    #131
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    Pretty daring Private Eye cover
    1259_big.jpg

    Mods move or delete if this isnt the right place


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    #132
    sionnach
    Registered Users Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭sionnach


    Finally Benedict is stepping up to the plate:

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/pope-vows-to-get-church-pedophilia-down-to-accepta,17201/
    "This is absolutely unacceptable," Pope Benedict said. "It seems a weakening of faith in God has prevented our priests from exercising moderation when sexually abusing helpless minors."


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    #133
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Oddly enough, I don't have any faith whatsoever and I don't abuse children.


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    #134
    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    Would love it if this happened:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7094310.ece


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    #135
    Erren Music
    Closed Accounts Posts: 384 ✭✭Erren Music


    axer wrote: »
    Had that argument over on the christian forum but they refused to accept that jesus was a hypocritical sinner for committing suicide (by cop). Maybe the catholic hierarchy are just following jesus' lead in the whole sinning department.

    Anyone who really believes what the church says or the bible is factual needs their heads examined.


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    #136
    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    In fairness, trying to knock sense into them over on the christian forum must be like p*ssing up against a forest fire.


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    #137
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Erren Music wrote: »
    Anyone who really believes what the church says or the bible is factual needs their heads examined.
    And anybody who thinks that something as beguiling, complex and subtle as religion is as dumb as this comment would suggest, should themselves consider having their head examined.

    Do try to be a bit more understanding.


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    #138
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/11/catholic-bishop-blames-jews

    WTF!


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    #139
    Flamed Diving
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    rovert wrote: »
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/11/catholic-bishop-blames-jews

    WTF!

    When in doubt...


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    #140
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    Flamed Diving wrote: »
    When in doubt...

    They brought it on themselves for inventing the word scapegoat!


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    #141
    eoin5
    Registered Users Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭eoin5


    rovert wrote: »
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/11/catholic-bishop-blames-jews

    WTF!
    "They do not want the church, they are its natural enemies. Deep down, historically speaking, the Jews are God killers."

    Awesome :D, some proper old-man well stewed blinding hatred on display there.


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    #142
    axer
    Registered Users Posts: 5,517 ✭✭✭axer


    I just hope they keep talking because every time someone talks from the catholic church they dig a deeper hole. Surely catholics should be leaving in droves from the catholic church by now.


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    #143
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    I've just cleaned up some posts here.

    The gist of these concerned a moderation query re a thread in Christianity which is addressed in feedback.

    As you were. :)


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    #144
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Q: How do you know it's bedtime in the Vatican?

    A: When the big hand is on the little hand.


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    #145
    Erren Music
    Closed Accounts Posts: 384 ✭✭Erren Music


    robindch wrote: »
    And anybody who thinks that something as beguiling, complex and subtle as religion is as dumb as this comment would suggest, should themselves consider having their head examined.

    Do try to be a bit more understanding.

    Believing in religion nowadays is akin to being a creationist or a scientologist. All the proof is there that it is a load of rubbish.

    You of all people should know that after all the futile attempted discussions you have had with those accross the fence.

    Then you tell me my comment is dumb and post this
    robindch wrote: »
    Q: How do you know it's bedtime in the Vatican?

    A: When the big hand is on the little hand.


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    #146
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Erren Music wrote: »
    Then you tell me my comment is dumb and post this
    I'm posting a joke. You were not.


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    #147
    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Erren Music wrote: »
    Believing in religion nowadays is akin to being a creationist or a scientologist. All the proof is there that it is a load of rubbish.

    You can prove that all religions are false? Well then, off to collect your nobel prize young man, I have underestimated you.
    You of all people should know that after all the futile attempted discussions you have had with those accross the fence.

    Yes, be damned to this discussion of theirs. We should, uh...shoot them instead? Ignore them? Proclaim they are wrong with absolute faith and show no interest in debate? Perfect!


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    #148
    Erren Music
    Closed Accounts Posts: 384 ✭✭Erren Music


    Zillah wrote: »
    You can prove that all religions are false? Well then, off to collect your nobel prize young man, I have underestimated you.



    Yes, be damned to this discussion of theirs. We should, uh...shoot them instead? Ignore them? Proclaim they are wrong with absolute faith and show no interest in debate? Perfect!

    In all fairness zillah religion proves itself false.

    You have read most of the threads on this forum. No religious poster can argue with ANY of the points against religion because there are none.

    I would have thought that you would understand but I guess you are happiest when you come in with your usual withering comments, and your fans come along with their thanks.

    Grow up.

    We are at a pivotal time in history where we can rid the world of this delusion, and it is a delusion.


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    #149
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,709 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Popes 2nd in command says that homosexuality, and not the celibacy vows are to blame for the child abuse scandals:mad:
    SANTIAGO, Chile -- The Vatican's second-highest authority says the sex scandals haunting the Catholic Church are linked to homosexuality rather than celibacy vows among priests.

    Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone is the Vatican's secretary of state and asserts that "many psychologists and psychiatrists have demonstrated that there is no relation between celibacy and pedophilia."

    He says others have shown "that there is a relation between homosexuality and pedophilia," and "that is the problem."

    Bertone spoke during a news conference Monday in Chile.

    He also asserted that the church had never impeded investigations of pedophilia by priests.

    Source


    Homosexuals aren't attracted to children, pedophiles are. And pedophiles can be attracted to boys or girls.

    And the problem isn't homosexuals, it's that priests were in positions of trust and subsequently abused children.:mad::mad:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #150
    Ickle Magoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    Erren Music wrote: »
    In all fairness zillah religion proves itself false.

    You have read most of the threads on this forum. No religious poster can argue with ANY of the points against religion because there are none.

    I would have thought that you would understand but I guess you are happiest when you come in with your usual withering comments, and your fans come along with their thanks.

    Grow up.

    We are at a pivotal time in history where we can rid the world of this delusion, and it is a delusion.

    Would you just stop! Stop telling people to grow up and telling them what the forum should be and telling them what "we" should be doing like you are trying to captain and mobilise some imaginary atheist army. I like debating with theists, it's good fun; there are no proofs - that's why there is debate. This whole heavy handed anti-theist aggression is as rabid and unattractive as the worst arguments for religion.


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    #151
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,202 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    koth wrote: »
    Popes 2nd in command says that homosexuality, and not the celibacy vows are to blame for the child abuse scandals:mad:



    Homosexuals aren't attracted to children, pedophiles are. And pedophiles can be attracted to boys or girls.

    And the problem isn't homosexuals, it's that priests were in positions of trust and subsequently abused children.:mad::mad:
    Doesn't matter if the tooth fairy caused it, they still covered it up

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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