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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,599 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    enno99 wrote: »
    EXCLUSIVE: New Evidence Confirms China Lied – Current Coronavirus is Not New and Was Identified Back in 2014


    Now comes yet another stunning revelation. It was not in the freezer.

    According to new information, Chinese scientists experimented with RaTG13 during 2017 and 2018.

    The evidence clearly shows that, not only did China lie in a major way about origin of COVID-19, but that it is, without question, due to a man-made virus.

    Lawrence Sellin, Ph.D. is a retired U.S. Army Reserve colonel, who previously worked at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases and conducted basic and clinical research in the pharmaceutical industry.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/exclusive-new-evidence-suggests-china-lied-source-coronavirus-not-man-made/

    more coming out all the time

    I would very much take with a bowl of salt any news allegedly scooped by The Gateway Pundit. Their track record for reporting factually is piss poor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    enno99 wrote: »
    EXCLUSIVE: New Evidence Confirms China Lied – Current Coronavirus is Not New and Was Identified Back in 2014


    Now comes yet another stunning revelation. It was not in the freezer.

    According to new information, Chinese scientists experimented with RaTG13 during 2017 and 2018.

    The evidence clearly shows that, not only did China lie in a major way about origin of COVID-19, but that it is, without question, due to a man-made virus.

    Lawrence Sellin, Ph.D. is a retired U.S. Army Reserve colonel, who previously worked at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases and conducted basic and clinical research in the pharmaceutical industry.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/exclusive-new-evidence-suggests-china-lied-source-coronavirus-not-man-made/

    more coming out all the time

    The distance between both places doesn't make sense either. The covid strain from 2013 was found in Yunnan. Wuhan area hundreds and hundreds of miles away from Yunnan. Only way this new strain ended up in Wuhan is brought there by scientists, transportation method, and stored for lab testing later.
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    RaTG13 is likely Covid 19 and China has been lying about its properties from day one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    You find interesting news pieces when you look from them online.
    RaTG13 is the name, rank and serial number of an individual horseshoe bat of the species Rhinolophus affinis, or rather of a sample of its feces collected in 2013 in a cave in Yunnan, China. The sample was collected by hazmat-clad scientists from the Institute of Virology in Wuhan that year. Stored away and forgotten until January this year, the sample from the horseshoe bat contains the virus that causes Covid-19…

    The role of pangolins in the spread of Sars-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, remains unclear. A closer look at more of the Sars-CoV-2 genome, published last week by Maciej Boni at Penn State University and David Robertson at Glasgow University, together with Chinese and European colleagues, finds that human versions of the virus are more closely related to the RaTG13 horseshoe bat sample from the cave than they are to the known pangolin versions. It is not yet possible to tell whether the virus went from bat to pangolin to people, or from bat to pangolin and bat to people in parallel.

    Significantly, the same analysis shows that the most recent common ancestor of the human virus and the RaTG13 virus lived at least 40 years ago. So it is unlikely that the cave in Yunnan (a thousand miles from Wuhan) is where the first infection happened or that the culprit bat was taken from that cave to Wuhan to be eaten or experimented on.

    Rather, it is probable that somewhere much closer to Wuhan, there is another colony of bats carrying the same kind of virus. Unless other evidence emerges, it thus looks like a horrible coincidence that China’s Institute of Virology, a high-security laboratory where human cells were being experimentally infected with bat viruses, happens to be in Wuhan, the origin of today’s pandemic.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/new-study-the-human-version-of-sars-cov-2-is-closer-to-the-one-in-bats-than-the-one-in-pangolins/

    I don't think it's a coincidence it leaked in Wuhan lets be real here. The RaTG13 virus is likely covid 19 since China kept all knowledge of this secret till very recently. Why was the scientific community not told about this earlier? How do we get China to admit the truth to the world?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Overheal wrote: »
    I would very much take with a bowl of salt any news allegedly scooped by The Gateway Pundit. Their track record for reporting factually is piss poor.

    link to the original article

    https://ccnationalsecurity.org/chinas-narrative-about-the-origin-of-covid-19-is-starting-to-unravel/

    another article from the site

    The most conspicuous sign of COVID-19 genetic manipulation is the presence of a furin polybasic cleavage site, a structure that is not present in any of the coronaviruses so far identified as possible direct ancestors.

    The authors of the RmYN02 article stretch credulity even further by claiming that RmYN02 has a precursor cleavage site.

    In reality, it is a weak attempt to offer a naturally-occurring explanation for the presence of the furin polybasic cleavage site in COVID-19.

    https://ccnationalsecurity.org/why-no-one-should-believe-covid-19-is-naturally-occurring/


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    He's ultimately a doomsday merchant who has made a living predicting economic armageddon that never quite comes (at one point he was selling his own DVD's for up to $170, and $300 subscriptions to his website, alarmism sells)

    He's currently cashing in on Coronavirus fears and pushing himself as more of an expert on the subject than he is. The content isn't as bad as the clickbait titles, but certainly not someone I'd recommend as a source.

    Your hero Michael Shermer gave up an hour of his time to be interviewed by him
    Shermer dont strike me as someone who would entertain a conman


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    PLaced in in another thread, maybe more appropriate here:

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/top-us-health-advisor-dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-for-risky-coronavirus-research-report/articleshow/75449844.cms


    But just last year, the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the organization led by Dr. Fauci, funded scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and other institutions for work on gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses.

    In 2019, with the backing of NIAID, the National Institutes of Health committed $3.7 million over six years for research that included some gain-of-function work. The program followed another $3.7 million, 5-year project for collecting and studying bat coronaviruses, which ended in 2019, bringing the total to $7.4 million.

    The NIH research consisted of two parts. The first part began in 2014 and involved surveillance of bat coronaviruses, and had a budget of $3.7 million. The program funded Shi Zheng-Li, a virologist at the Wuhan lab, and other researchers to investigate and catalogue bat coronaviruses in the wild. This part of the project was completed in 2019.

    In 2014, under pressure from the Obama administration, the National of Institutes of Health instituted a moratorium on the (gain of function) work, suspending 21 studies. (Due to worries of possibility of pandemic as the work itself made the viruses more
    The work in question was a type of gain-of-function research that involved taking wild viruses and passing them through live animals until they mutate into a form that could pose a pandemic threat.

    Three years later, though—in December 2017 —the NIH ended the moratorium and the second phase of the NIAID project, which included the gain-of-function research, began.

    The second phase of the project, beginning that year, (2019) included additional surveillance work but also gain-of-function research for the purpose of understanding how bat coronaviruses could mutate to attack humans. The project was run by EcoHealth Alliance, a non-profit research group, under the direction of President Peter Daszak, an expert on disease ecology. NIH canceled the project just this past Friday, April 24th, Politico reported.

    https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

    So, funded by Fauci, the lab in Wuhan only last year started gain-of-function tests on coronaviruses.. looks like they succeeded, unfortunately..


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,445 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    The Nal wrote: »
    Equal parts mad and sad

    On the contrary its mostly Sad


    Sad That the host tried to brush off a real and serious problem as a conspiracy theory


    Human trafficking is the trade of humans, most commonly for the purpose of forced labour, sexual slavery, or commercial sexual exploitation for the trafficker or others. Mexico is a large source, transit, and destination country for victims of human trafficking.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_Mexico

    Mexico has the largest number of victims of modern slavery than any other country in the Americas. Mexico, along with the Philippines and the United States, was ranked one of the world’s worst places in terms of human trafficking in 2018. Mexico is also thought to be the largest source country for trafficking across international borders. According to the Global Slavery Index, there are approximately 341,000 victims of modern slavery in Mexico.

    https://borgenproject.org/tag/human-trafficking-in-mexico/

    Sad That when he heard that the guy was Hungarian he was chomping at the bit to label him a right wing racist until she revealed she was black stopped him in his tracks

    Sad That it brought nothing to the thread
    Your reason for posting it was just an underhanded dig at conspiracy theorists


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    enno99 wrote: »
    On the contrary its mostly Sad


    Sad That the host tried to brush off a real and serious problem as a conspiracy theory


    Human trafficking is the trade of humans, most commonly for the purpose of forced labour, sexual slavery, or commercial sexual exploitation for the trafficker or others. Mexico is a large source, transit, and destination country for victims of human trafficking.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_Mexico

    Mexico has the largest number of victims of modern slavery than any other country in the Americas. Mexico, along with the Philippines and the United States, was ranked one of the world’s worst places in terms of human trafficking in 2018. Mexico is also thought to be the largest source country for trafficking across international borders. According to the Global Slavery Index, there are approximately 341,000 victims of modern slavery in Mexico.

    https://borgenproject.org/tag/human-trafficking-in-mexico/

    Sad That when he heard that the guy was Hungarian he was chomping at the bit to label him a right wing racist until she revealed she was black stopped him in his tracks

    Sad That it brought nothing to the thread
    Your reason for posting it was just an underhanded dig at conspiracy theorists

    Trump's stance on Mexico is not related to child trafficking. George Soros is also not trying to buy up Hungary or whatever either, so it remains a right wing conspiracy. So it remains sad tbh. You can try to find glimmers of truth in statements but the overall motivations go back to conspiracies. Many of which have pretty hateful origins.

    You seemed to ignore the Coronavirus specific conspiracies too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    PLaced in in another thread, maybe more appropriate here:

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/top-us-health-advisor-dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-for-risky-coronavirus-research-report/articleshow/75449844.cms


    But just last year, the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the organization led by Dr. Fauci, funded scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and other institutions for work on gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses.

    In 2019, with the backing of NIAID, the National Institutes of Health committed $3.7 million over six years for research that included some gain-of-function work. The program followed another $3.7 million, 5-year project for collecting and studying bat coronaviruses, which ended in 2019, bringing the total to $7.4 million.

    The NIH research consisted of two parts. The first part began in 2014 and involved surveillance of bat coronaviruses, and had a budget of $3.7 million. The program funded Shi Zheng-Li, a virologist at the Wuhan lab, and other researchers to investigate and catalogue bat coronaviruses in the wild. This part of the project was completed in 2019.

    In 2014, under pressure from the Obama administration, the National of Institutes of Health instituted a moratorium on the (gain of function) work, suspending 21 studies. (Due to worries of possibility of pandemic as the work itself made the viruses more
    The work in question was a type of gain-of-function research that involved taking wild viruses and passing them through live animals until they mutate into a form that could pose a pandemic threat.

    Three years later, though—in December 2017 —the NIH ended the moratorium and the second phase of the NIAID project, which included the gain-of-function research, began.

    The second phase of the project, beginning that year, (2019) included additional surveillance work but also gain-of-function research for the purpose of understanding how bat coronaviruses could mutate to attack humans. The project was run by EcoHealth Alliance, a non-profit research group, under the direction of President Peter Daszak, an expert on disease ecology. NIH canceled the project just this past Friday, April 24th, Politico reported.

    https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

    So, funded by Fauci, the lab in Wuhan only last year started gain-of-function tests on coronaviruses.. looks like they succeeded, unfortunately..

    China never opened up and disclosed the full story there was an incident with an unknown coronavirus and some mine workers died from it in 2013. . Its journalists who are bringing to light the proper story right now
    Wuhan virology lab director insisted they have no samples of this pathogen, but that's a lie.

    The Wuhan lab sequenced the virus in the lab there's no doubt in my mind they did this.

    Notice this part.
    The NIH research consisted of two parts. The first part began in 2014 and involved surveillance of bat coronaviruses, and had a budget of $3.7 million. The program funded Shi Zheng-Li, a virologist at the Wuhan lab, and other researchers to investigate and catalogue bat coronaviruses in the wild. This part of the project was completed in 2019.


    You can see why some Fauci supported scientists are trying hard to downplay the lab leak theory. A leak would be rough and bad for their image, as well the public will demand future research be curtailed..


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99



    You seemed to ignore the Coronavirus specific conspiracies too.

    I didnt hear one in the interview

    His thoughts that it was just like normal flu is bot really a conspiracy
    The Bill Gates conspiracy theory was common ever before Covid 19 was about


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,400 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    enno99 wrote: »
    I didnt hear one in the interview

    His thoughts that it was just like normal flu is bot really a conspiracy
    The Bill Gates conspiracy theory was common ever before Covid 19 was about

    What is the conspiracy exactly?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Trump's stance on Mexico is not related to child trafficking. George Soros is also not trying to buy up Hungary or whatever either, so it remains a right wing conspiracy. So it remains sad tbh. You can try to find glimmers of truth in statements but the overall motivations go back to conspiracies. Many of which have pretty hateful origins.

    You seemed to ignore the Coronavirus specific conspiracies too.

    I answered the other point here

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058081488&page=11

    I dont want to derail the thread with Trump,Soros


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Dr Fauchi admits to lying about masks




    First 6 min
    20 min video Jimmy Dore is entertaining


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    enno99 wrote: »
    Dr Fauchi admits to lying about masks




    First 6 min
    20 min video Jimmy Dore is entertaining

    Firstly, it's well established that masks are highly effective. What danger do you think masks pose?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Firstly, it's well established that masks are highly effective. What danger do you think masks pose?

    Tell Fauchi that
    He didnt get the memo for months :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Firstly, it's well established that masks are highly effective. What danger do you think masks pose?

    The point of the video is Fauci claim they recommended people not wear Masks because of the shortage of them? That's silly because you can still cover up your face and protect yourself here :confused: Fauci not the smartest cookie it seems.


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    enno99 wrote: »
    Tell Fauchi that
    He didnt get the memo for months :)

    And it was a global issue that multiple countries including Ireland downplayed the effectiveness of masks, firstly because it wasn't fully grasped and secondly because they were concerned about runs on ppe resulting in healthcare workers not having masks etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    And it was a global issue that multiple countries including Ireland downplayed the effectiveness of masks, firstly because it wasn't fully grasped and secondly because they were concerned about runs on ppe resulting in healthcare workers not having masks etc.

    Dore point is they lied about the effectiveness of the mask so they would not run out of supplies. Fauci admits on the video that's why they did it. I agree with Dore though the misinformed the public. How many people would have walked around with no protection after hearing a mask doesn't help?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    And it was a global issue that multiple countries including Ireland downplayed the effectiveness of masks, firstly because it wasn't fully grasped and secondly because they were concerned about runs on ppe resulting in healthcare workers not having masks etc.


    If Leo didnt spend all his time rifiling through his DVD collection for quotes he might have figured it out


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    Spanish Flu 100 years before


    Put simply, medics found that severely ill flu patients nursed outdoors recovered better than those treated indoors. A combination of fresh air and sunlight seems to have prevented deaths among patients; and infections among medical staff.[1] There is scientific support for this. Research shows that outdoor air is a natural disinfectant. Fresh air can kill the flu virus and other harmful germs. Equally, sunlight is germicidal and there is now evidence it can kill the flu virus.

    https://medium.com/@ra.hobday/coronavirus-and-the-sun-a-lesson-from-the-1918-influenza-pandemic-509151dc8065

    spanish-flu.jpg

    The advice of the "experts" lock down only leave the house for food and medical supplies

    Health authorities in Australia are desperately trying to quash the “explosive potential” of a Covid-19 outbreak across nine public housing towers in Melbourne from escalating into a city-wide lockdown, as rents are waived and hardship allowances are introduced for the 3,000 residents who have been banned from leaving their apartments.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Dore point is they lied about the effectiveness of the mask so they would not run out of supplies. Fauci admits on the video that's why they did it. I agree with Dore though the misinformed the public. How many people would have walked around with no protection after hearing a mask doesn't help?

    Makes you wonder what other lies they peddled


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    enno99 wrote: »
    Makes you wonder what other lies they peddled

    Some people forget here is masks were recommended when the first outbreaks occurred in China. Do you believe citizens in Wuhan was wearing covers over their face for the fun of it? Some in the media are dowplaying Fauci comments and ignore what you could see months before on TV!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Some people forget here is masks were recommended when the first outbreaks occurred in China. Do you believe citizens in Wuhan was wearing covers over their face for the fun of it? Some in the media are dowplaying Fauci comments and ignore what you could see months before on TV!

    Compulsory not long after

    Local government, responsible for some 113 million citizens, announced the order making it a punishment offence to be in a public space without a surgical mask on January 26.


    Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/01/woman-arrested-refusing-wear-mask-coronavirus-crisis-deepens-12163863/?ito=cbshare[/url




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    Headline of the day:

    "Greece considers second lockdown after tourists bring spike of cases"
    From the daily telegraph

    What did I tell you.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,807 Mod ✭✭✭✭iamstop


    They say whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stronger.

    Apparently not the case with this COVID virus.

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200622-the-long-term-effects-of-covid-19-infection

    Bleak reading.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    I have seen this reported in different news articles.
    Experts from the Chinese laboratory at the centre of global suspicion over the coronavirus pandemic have ‘defected’ and are in the hands of Western intelligence, the architect of Donald Trump’s presidential victory claimed last night.

    Steve Bannon, who was Trump’s White House chief strategist and retains close links to the administration, told The Mail on Sunday that spies were building a case against Beijing on the basis that the global pandemic had been caused by a leak from the Institute of Virology in Wuhan and that the subsequent cover-up had amounted to ‘pre-meditated murder’.
    Even the Chinese government’s own Centre for Disease Control and Prevention recently admitted that the virus had been brought in to the market, rather than originating there.

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/5648357/wuhan-scientists-defect-evidence-coronavirus-leak/

    Mr Bannon, who has been tipped by the US media for a return to Trump’s inner circle to shore up his faltering campaign for re-election, said: ‘I know that certain defectors are working with the FBI here to try to knit together what happened’ in the Wuhan institute, which he said was ‘horribly run and terribly mismanaged’.

    He claimed: ‘They are not talking to the media yet, but there are people out of the Wuhan lab and other labs that have come to the West and are turning over evidence of the culpability of the Chinese Communist Party. I think people are going to be shocked’.
    Mr Bannon, who sat on the US National Security Council during his time in the White House, says spies are trying to assemble a case that the virus spread as the result of an accident involving experiments to develop vaccines and therapeutic drugs to deal with Sars-style viruses

    Speaking to this newspaper from a yacht off the East coast of America, Mr Bannon said that defectors were talking to the intelligence agencies in America, Europe and the UK.

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/5648357/wuhan-scientists-defect-evidence-coronavirus-leak/


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,400 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr



    If Bannon said the grass was green I would look out the window to check if he was lying.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    It’s beginning to look like Trumps re-election campaign from now until November is going to be based on blaming the Chinese for coronavirus in order to deflect from his own mishandling of the pandemic.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    It’s beginning to look like Trumps re-election campaign from now until November is going to be based on blaming the Chinese for coronavirus in order to deflect from his own mishandling of the pandemic.

    From Bannon account the British are also building a case behind the scenes. You guys focus too much on Trump friends here. I'm more interested in the headlines. Is there truly defectors who worked at the Wuhan lab who have escaped to the West and have revealed there was a virus leak? I like to see the intelligence here, how reliable this info is.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    If Bannon said the grass was green I would look out the window to check if he was lying.

    You missed an important point in the news and seem to be a legit headline.

    China CDC has already denied the virus came from the Wet Market. It was reported in the New York Times in recent days. So how did the virus spread in Wuhan city?
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/health/coronavirus-origin-china-lucey.html
    That idea was quickly thrown into doubt when a study by Chinese scientists reported that roughly a third of the earliest hospitalized victims — including the first — had never visited the market. In a May blog, Dr. Lucey quoted the head of China’s Center for Disease Control as ruling it out as the pandemic’s place of origin. The market, the Chinese health official said, “is just another victim.


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