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04-05-2021, 20:33   #376
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Not convinced on the need for urgent climate action heres what happens to our planet
https://theconversation.com/not-conv...warming-123817

The key phrase is "depending on the model and assumptions". In other words it's speculation using computer models with the usual junk science suspect: RCP 8.5
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The key phrase is "depending on the model and assumptions". In other words it's speculation using computer models with the usual junk science suspect: RCP 8.5
RCP 8.5 was derived at a time when the predominant source of energy worldwide was coal. The world has moved on and is less reliant on coal mainly because burning it is horrendously inefficient. But we haven’t yet seen the end of advocates for the burning of dinosaurs and fish to so does RCP 8.5 seem like it’s going to happen, no but who knows certainly not “merchants” like yourself PA ElGrande.
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RCP 8.5 was derived at a time when the predominant source of energy worldwide was coal. The world has moved on and is less reliant on coal mainly because burning it is horrendously inefficient. But we haven’t yet seen the end of advocates for the burning of dinosaurs and fish to so does RCP 8.5 seem like it’s going to happen, no but who knows certainly not “merchants” like yourself PA ElGrande.
You may want to check out the coal numbers again. The largest consumers in the world are not changing their tune.. Said government also cut solar subsidies as it was making electricity too expensive, they also working away on nuclear power.

Getting reliable numbers for energy returned on investment (EROI) is quite difficult as there is not one standard to calculate it, for instance with random energy sources like wind and solar you have to factor in standby power.


Here is some more background outlining how RCP 8.5, the "business as usual scenario" is being abused to create scary headlines.


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You may want to check out the coal numbers again. The largest consumers in the world are not changing their tune.. Said government also cut solar subsidies as it was making electricity too expensive, they also working away on nuclear power.

Getting reliable numbers for energy returned on investment (EROI) is quite difficult as there is not one standard to calculate it, for instance with random energy sources like wind and solar you have to factor in standby power.


Here is some more background outlining how RCP 8.5, the "business as usual scenario" is being abused to create scary headlines.


The first link you posted was from 2018. Things have changed since then. There is no money in fossil fuels.

The second link was extracted from a climate change deniers ravings.

The YouTube link clip from a guy, John Robson and his company nexus is in the pocket of big oil.
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There's really no point in discussing these things online, you'll never change people's minds and there are quack scientists out there that can be referenced for any viewpoint these days. The prevailing science seems to be that man made climate change is real, I guess we'll find out in the coming decades.
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. . . . There is no money in fossil fuels. . . . .
No money you say . . . Tell that to this guy.



40% of Europe's gas comes from Russia. Without gas, coal and nuclear (via interconnect), Ireland's electricity grid can no longer be subsidised or function reliably with random energy generation.

Have you looked at the raw material requirements to build the new electric powered economy within the 30 year timeline proposed? We’re looking at billions of tons of metals and minerals, trillions of tons of ores, and mines, processing plants and factories all over the world.
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No money you say . . . Tell that to this guy.



40% of Europe's gas comes from Russia. Without gas, coal and nuclear (via interconnect), Ireland's electricity grid can no longer be subsidised or function reliably with random energy generation.

Have you looked at the raw material requirements to build the new electric powered economy within the 30 year timeline proposed? We’re looking at billions of tons of metals and minerals, trillions of tons of ores, and mines, processing plants and factories all over the world.
Another flawed and redundant rebuttal!
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