Bond 23 - "Skyfall" spoilers from post 595

Bullseye1 · 31-12-2012 4:31pm

Skyfall has just passed the billion mark. Some achievement for the franchise.
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=bond23.htm

NinjaK · 01-01-2013 1:29pm

Saw it yesterday, excellent film!

ArthurG · 01-01-2013 2:56pm

We didn't like it unfortunately. Very slow pace, seemingly out of place / unnecessary characters, ridiculous contrivances and totally bizarre nods to the older Bond films. The interaction between DC and Dench just about made it bearable. Casino Royale was absolutely top notch, I fell asleep during QoS, sadly this instalment has left me feeling that the current Bond dynamic has run its course.

saintsaltynuts · 01-01-2013 2:58pm

The best Bond film in years end of.

senordingdong · 05-01-2013 3:51pm

ArthurG wrote: »

We didn't like it unfortunately. Very slow pace, seemingly out of place / unnecessary characters, ridiculous contrivances and totally bizarre nods to the older Bond films. The interaction between DC and Dench just about made it bearable. Casino Royale was absolutely top notch, I fell asleep during QoS, sadly this instalment has left me feeling that the current Bond dynamic has run its course.

Seemed more like a step backwards, returning to the nonsense of Q & Moneypenny and an eccentric villain with an unusual physical characteristic.

FloatingVoter · 05-01-2013 4:30pm

senordingdong wrote: »

Seemed more like a step backwards, returning to the nonsense of Q & Moneypenny and an eccentric villain with an unusual physical characteristic.

I didn't mind the in-jokes but the clownish villain ruined it for me. Christopher Walken played the same part (similar appearance even) in View to A Kill and far more chillingly.

jcsoulinger · 05-01-2013 9:49pm

Cant believe the good reviews this film received, average at best, no where near Casino Royal.

Chavways · 05-01-2013 10:07pm

My opinion of Skyfall:

Its a good movie but its a bad Bond movie.

jcsoulinger · 05-01-2013 10:29pm

Bond movies are generally bad movies with a few exceptions!

FloatingVoter · 06-01-2013 2:27pm

jcsoulinger wrote: »

Bond movies are generally bad movies with a few exceptions!

Post Connery the only decent ones I can think of are Licence to Kill and Casino Royale. But I'm into the darker side of Bond. Octopussy was nearly good except Roger Moore was showing his age at that point. I would give the one with oil pipeline a free pass (forgetting about Christmas) and Goldeneye as well. Nothing they produce will ever scrape the depths of Moonraker.

senordingdong · 09-01-2013 2:34pm

FloatingVoter wrote: »

I didn't mind the in-jokes but the clownish villain ruined it for me. Christopher Walken played the same part (similar appearance even) in View to A Kill and far more chillingly.

Most Bond villains are clownish, with some sort of bizarre physical characteristic.

FloatingVoter · 09-01-2013 7:38pm

senordingdong wrote: »

Most Bond villains are clownish, with some sort of bizarre physical characteristic.

True, but they do not need to be so obviosuly repeated. The albino psychopath with a view to ehhh....nothing other than a mother complex has already been done and better. What about a black voodoo master....oh right, sorry.
Seriously a modern day Bond without a cold war would be tackling middle eastern terrorists on their own ground, not some lad with a FAS course in computer skills.

senordingdong · 09-01-2013 10:59pm

FloatingVoter wrote: »

True, but they do not need to be so obviosuly repeated. The albino psychopath with a view to ehhh....nothing other than a mother complex has already been done and better. What about a black voodoo master....oh right, sorry.
Seriously a modern day Bond without a cold war would be tackling middle eastern terrorists on their own ground, not some lad with a FAS course in computer skills.

Or as they did in Casino Royale...a banker who handles terrorists money.
I thought that was rather fitting for the time.

FloatingVoter · 09-01-2013 11:04pm

senordingdong wrote: »

Or as they did in Casino Royale...a banker who handles terrorists money.
I thought that was rather fitting for the time.

And Casino Royale is widely and rightly in my opinion considered one of the best Bond flicks ever.
Then again, the Bond franchise is a cartoon in the best possible sense of the word. Blofeld is due a comeback in some shape or form.

MagicMarker · 09-01-2013 11:24pm

I enjoyed this a lot, more than most of the Bond movies. Didn't like Casino Royal and couldn't be arsed with QoS.

Kirby · 10-01-2013 3:07am

FloatingVoter wrote: »

And Casino Royale is widely and rightly in my opinion considered one of the best Bond flicks ever.
Then again, the Bond franchise is a cartoon in the best possible sense of the word. Blofeld is due a comeback in some shape or form.

Thats because they let Martin Campell direct it. He also did Goldeneye. He knows what he's doing and usually produces a good film providing he is given a good script. The switch of directors between Casino Royale and QoS was a mistake and QoS was the worse for it.

Skyfall was a decent movie in my mind. Not a patch on Casino Royale though.

senordingdong · 10-01-2013 1:25pm

Kirby wrote: »

Skyfall was a decent movie in my mind. Not a patch on Casino Royale though.

+1

But I still can't understand why they reverted back to gadgets, Q and innuendos after CR was praised for ditching them and breaking the mould.

PhiloCypher · 10-01-2013 1:57pm

senordingdong wrote: »

+1

But I still can't understand why they reverted back to gadgets, Q and innuendos after CR was praised for ditching them and breaking the mould.

It was the 50th anniversery so its hardly surprising that they wanted to throw in a few callbacks to the idiosyncrasies that made the franchise so iconic over the years, of course whether they're for good or ill is a matter of opinion, personally I didn't mind them, but maybe that has to do with the 4 year gap between Skyfall and QoS, if they had been released closer together maybe the tonal difference would have been more jarring to me IDK.

All that being said Casino Royale is still Top trumps in terms of Craig Bond films for me

senordingdong · 10-01-2013 2:13pm

Yeah you're right, the anniversary is probably why they did the throw backs...but with the success of this film and all within, I reckon we Mallory, Q and Moneypenny will be back for a new arc.

PhiloCypher · 10-01-2013 5:32pm

senordingdong wrote: »

Yeah you're right, the anniversary is probably why they did the throw backs...but with the success of this film and all within, I reckon we Mallory, Q and Moneypenny will be back for a new arc.

Yeh, tho I do hope that they don't lose the complete run of themselves after the money its made and go in for invisible cars again and all that bollix , for me Skyfall was a nice middle ground between the excesses of the late Brosnan era and the grittiness of Casino Royale , there were no ridiculous gadgets and the scope location wise was kept reasonably narrow and grounded .

Bearing in mind they have reintroduced so many elements of yesteryear one wonders will they pick up the Quantum/spectre thread from Craigs first two films and give us their version of Blofeld ?

BostonB · 17-01-2013 2:07am

Its an ok movie but it hasn't got style. There no real iconic scenes or lines in it. I want bond to be exotic locations and sets, and there weren't any tbh. The storyline had loads of unexplained gaps in it. I think they can do better.

BostonB · 17-01-2013 2:13am

As someone said earlier. its an ok movie but its not a great bond. Theres nothing really exotic or memorable about it. No real style.

PhiloCypher · 17-01-2013 3:00am

BostonB wrote: »

Its an ok movie but it hasn't got style. There no real iconic scenes or lines in it. I want bond to be exotic locations and sets, and there weren't any tbh. The storyline had loads of unexplained gaps in it. I think they can do better.

BostonB wrote: »

As someone said earlier. its an ok movie but its not a great bond. Theres nothing really exotic or memorable about it. No real style.

So that Macau sequence wasn't exotic enough for you ? see while I agree one needs some exotic locales to spice things up I'd argue too many of them in the one film ends up stretching credulity and turns Bond into some sort of super spy travelogue where the villians plot is distended beyond all logic for the sake of fitting in as many exotic locales as possible .

BostonB · 17-01-2013 11:02am

I didn't even know it was Macau. It could have been anywhere it was that generic. No sense/taste of the place at all.

K-9 · 17-01-2013 3:44pm

BostonB wrote: »

I didn't even know it was Macau. It could have been anywhere it was that generic. No sense/taste of the place at all.

Except for the caption and using Euros.

BostonB · 17-01-2013 3:59pm

In the past exotic locations were used as stage props for some action, Rio, action on cable car on Sugarloaf Mountain, things like that. I just think they underused the locations in this one.

Beefy78 · 18-01-2013 4:56pm

BostonB wrote: »

In the past exotic locations were used as stage props for some action, Rio, action on cable car on Sugarloaf Mountain, things like that. I just think they underused the locations in this one.

The locations were fine. You had Macau, as stated, you had the roof-top chase and train-top fight in Turkey, Shanghai (some of those scenes were shot in London but not all of them were), London and Scotland.

I actually thought the fact that so much of the action took place in the UK was refreshing for a Bond film because it has so rarely been done. London is an iconic and exotic city to many.

BostonB · 18-01-2013 5:16pm

I think there's a difference in being in an exotic location, its simply background, and using it as a plot device.

I think a lot of cities have underground trains, and they appear in every other movie. Did we really see that much of London in the movie?

MagicMarker · 18-01-2013 6:30pm

Who the fúck judges a movie based on where it was shot? Seriously, it doesn't matter.

BostonB · 18-01-2013 8:13pm

Dunno because that's exactly not what I was commenting on.

For those that remember the older films, do you think they were as close to contemporary movies as Skyfalls is now.

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