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09-01-2019, 17:16   #5926
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It is not a law. In the RoTR they use the word "must" and "should", and "must" refers to laws, "should" is their own recommendations.


http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Learner%...f_the_road.pdf
Shock! It's actually a law for a group! Or at least was in 1964. Who knew!

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(3) During lighting-up hours at least one person from a group of twenty persons or more walking along a road shall carry a lamp showing a white light visible for a reasonable distance in the direction in which the group is walking and a red light visible for a reasonable distance in the opposite direction.
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09-01-2019, 17:30   #5927
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What annoys me about the High Viz push is that it's treated like they're protection from a speeding car, instead of the minor visual aid they are. The primary personal responsibility should lie with the person controlling the car and all this recent High Viz talk is being used to obfuscate that responsibility. It also fosters the mindset that you can drive faster and with less care because you'll see everyone from miles away (untrue).
The illustration I hark back to - and it seems to apply to so many walks of life these days, largely I feel due to social media and the platform this gives people to voice their opinions - is one used by an American pastor with reference to the American far right.

He was talking about why the far right has deep concerns about for example abortion and relative lack of concern about divorce or adultery......

And his point was - people are far more vocal about the sins that don't apply to them.

And I know that's true for personal experience - for example, I don't own a dog - and I give out yards about dog owners and dog crap everywhere. If I owned a dog, probably wouldn't do that so much.

I think at this point, social media and media - I'd be reluctant to say it should grow up - but I wish it would grow up. Social media has become a tool for divisiveness in society, and this conversation about hi viz for cyclists or pedestrians, its just an other example of that. So its really not even worth discussing this one instance of it - albeit I brought it up myself - because there will be many more punters in the Irish Times, the Journal, Facebook etc etc who don't walk in country roads at night, but believe that because they saw someone in a black jacket while driving the car ...... that this is a scourge and needs to be outlawed.

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09-01-2019, 20:16   #5928
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It was a national primary road.
Apologies, it was a straight stretch of road, so not sure what the excuse was if he had his high beams on. He says it was a drissly evening, damp roads, dark, not really the time to be doing the limit, but thats not the attitude here.

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Skid marks? He didn't emergency brake.
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Skid marks even analysed correctly and with an accurate measure of friction factor of surface is a very accurate method of establishing speed.
The Garda in that case used a throw distance calculation which is flaky at best but very dependent on initial conditions at impact;pedestrian posture/movement, car bumper/bonnet geometry, precise location of impact. The garda couldn't have had accurate reliable information an all initial conditions and shouldn't have used it.
I must have gotten confused, I was talking to friends working in forensics in the UK and France when they were back for a wedding and they said the methodology used was a crock of sh1t, my memory must have merged me thinking he breaked and their statement, so sorry about that. All they told me was the methodology used here is flawed(they used less polite language), so my mistake. The fact that the driver openly admitted he thought he was doing 85kmph (just above the limit your honour), says to me that it is far from accurate.
I am not blaming the driver here, i am blaming the culture. I have been berated by passengers for dropping below the speed limit when I lose sight lines or can't see far enough ahead of me. The last time someone done it, the irony was we passed where a school friend had passed away, in an accident directly attributed to speeding.
Don't get me wrong, the pedestrian was an idiot for running across the road with oncoming traffic as well, two wrongs don't make a right though.
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09-01-2019, 20:38   #5929
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posts on hi-vis move to the hi vis megathread, found here
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11-01-2019, 13:24   #5930
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Interesting piece on start of Ciara Kelly show from an architect/cyclist listener talking about issues with cycling lanes being blocked.
The architect part is relevant as he has some awareness of current guidelines and practices in allocating space to cycle lanes.

A delivery driver called in and said they would love to deliver items in the middle of the night but A, businesses are usually closed and B, residents don't want the sound of delivery trucks at 04:00.

Be interesting if electric-vehicles could alleviate part of this issue.
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That architect was Ciaran Ferrie I believe!
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it was indeed.
https://twitter.com/ccferrie/status/1083703729797382145
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A delivery driver called in and said they would love to deliver items in the middle of the night but A, businesses are usually closed and B, residents don't want the sound of delivery trucks at 04:00.

Be interesting if electric-vehicles could alleviate part of this issue.
My wife at one stage worked alongside Dublin City Council in trying to come to an agreement as to best practice for deliveries into stores in the city centre.

As it is drivers should be switching their engines off anyway. But the noise complaints usually stem from either the noise of roll cages being dragged back and forth, or the hum of the refrigeration units as opposed to the noise of them arriving and departing.
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11-01-2019, 14:26   #5934
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My wife at one stage worked alongside Dublin City Council in trying to come to an agreement as to best practice for deliveries into stores in the city centre.

As it is drivers should be switching their engines off anyway. But the noise complaints usually stem from either the noise of roll cages being dragged back and forth, or the hum of the refrigeration units as opposed to the noise of them arriving and departing.
Or the beep beep beep of the reversing siren.
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11-01-2019, 14:27   #5935
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Interesting piece on start of Ciara Kelly show from an architect/cyclist listener talking about issues with cycling lanes being blocked.
The architect part is relevant as he has some awareness of current guidelines and practices in allocating space to cycle lanes.

A delivery driver called in and said they would love to deliver items in the middle of the night but A, businesses are usually closed and B, residents don't want the sound of delivery trucks at 04:00.

Be interesting if electric-vehicles could alleviate part of this issue.

I don't really blame delivery drivers for this kind of thing. They pull up where they can and are usually under tight time constraints so can't spend 20mins looking for parking nearby. Like most of these things it's a planning issue. I'm sure most delivery drivers park loading bays where available.

Now the lads that pull up to nip to the shop can f right off
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Interesting piece on start of Ciara Kelly show from an architect/cyclist listener talking about issues with cycling lanes being blocked.
The architect part is relevant as he has some awareness of current guidelines and practices in allocating space to cycle lanes.

A delivery driver called in and said they would love to deliver items in the middle of the night but A, businesses are usually closed and B, residents don't want the sound of delivery trucks at 04:00.

Be interesting if electric-vehicles could alleviate part of this issue.
I'm sure most delivery drivers park loading bays where available.
Not in Ranelagh at SuperValu - grand loading bay at the back, but vans and trucks regularly block the cycle lanes for deliveries. They even put out cones to keep cars off the cycle lanes so that only their vans can block them.
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Not in Ranelagh at SuperValu - grand loading bay at the back, but vans and trucks regularly block the cycle lanes for deliveries. They even put out cones to keep cars off the cycle lanes so that only their vans can block them.

I was thinking my comment was fairly anecdotal when I posted it
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I don't really blame delivery drivers for this kind of thing. They pull up where they can and are usually under tight time constraints so can't spend 20mins looking for parking nearby. Like most of these things it's a planning issue. I'm sure most delivery drivers park loading bays where available.
It is an indirect subsidy to them though, meaning they're more competitive with small delivery vehicles than they would be if the parking/unloading rules were enforced properly.
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Apropos of absolutely nothing, Ed Power writes this in an article about the Irish nightclub in the Irish Times
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A thriving nightclub is as rare a sight in Irish cities as a cyclist stopping at a red light.

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[quote="Hurrache;109122133"]Apropos of absolutely nothing, Ed Power writes this in an article about the Irish nightclub in the Irish Times
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A thriving nightclub is as rare a sight in Irish cities as a cyclist stopping at a red light.[/url]
I came here to post the exact same thing. It’s quite shocking.
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