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Log Cabins in Ireland

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  • #122
    Dickie10
    Registered Users Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    this one beside me is a two bedroom fairly big the guy plans on renting it out as a home, he already has one built and rented out for 11 years beside it. thinking of putting one up myself and renting it out. he said 30k would have it almost rentable


  • #123
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,565 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    this one beside me is a two bedroom fairly big the guy plans on renting it out as a home, he already has one built and rented out for 11 years beside it. thinking of putting one up myself and renting it out. he said 30k would have it almost rentable

    They are not exempt from planning and someone else getting away with it doesn't mean you will.


  • #124
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    a lot of people around me putting up log cabins that are kind of bought flat pack and put together on site. none of these have planning permission is this ok to do?

    The are glorified garden sheds. As long as the meet the exemptions for garden sheds they are fine. If they are being used for habitable purposes then they are in breach of the planning and development act and illegal.


  • #125
    zac8
    Registered Users Posts: 530 ✭✭✭zac8


    Gumbo wrote: »
    The are glorified garden sheds. As long as the meet the exemptions for garden sheds they are fine. If they are being used for habitable purposes then they are in breach of the planning and development act and illegal.

    Whats the chances of the law being enforced though? Especially with the current housing crisis. A neighbour of mine has one that somebody is living in and I know of two others nearby.


  • #126
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,565 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    zac8 wrote: »
    Whats the chances of the law being enforced though? Especially with the current housing crisis. A neighbour of mine has one that somebody is living in and I know of two others nearby.

    High, if someone puts in the right complaints. Unauthorised development, building standards (they can't meet them) and/or rental standards (they won't meet them) if rented.

    Most getting away with it cases are because nobody has made an official complaint and there is no casual enforcement of most of those rules.


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  • #127
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,229 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    All it takes is somebody to query it to the local authority and the sheds are gone at the owner’s expense, along with the rental income and the homes of the people who had been paying it.

    Is that loop one of the topic completed. We can just start going around again?


  • #128
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,565 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    endacl wrote: »
    All it takes is somebody to query it to the local authority and the sheds are gone at the owner’s expense, along with the rental income and the homes of the people who had been paying it.

    Is that loop one of the topic completed. We can just start going around again?

    Thread is 16 months old - I suspect we're on loop five or six!


  • #129
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,458 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    L1011 wrote: »

    Most getting away with it cases are because nobody has made an official complaint and there is no casual enforcement of most of those rules.

    Agree with this.
    Enforcement is very lax in Ireland.
    Enforcement would be far simpler if the suppliers of the log/steel/fast erect kits were directed to seek sight of planning before selling anything over 25sq mtrs.

    That's not going to happen, and indeed many of the suppliers will offer "compliance" advice that's skirting the law and leading to many believing they can live in their sheds.


  • #130
    Dickie10
    Registered Users Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    lads these are not sheds , there fully finished two decentish bedrooms,living area, small kitchen, small bathroom and hot press. same as a two bed apartment pretty much exactly like that. i heard if its up and lived in over 7 years, theres nothing council can do. He has his first rented about 9 years now


  • #131
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Mod Note

    folks if you want to discuss ignoring the planning laws, take it somewhere else.


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  • #132
    Caranica
    Registered Users Posts: 10,000 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    lads these are not sheds , there fully finished two decentish bedrooms,living area, small kitchen, small bathroom and hot press. same as a two bed apartment pretty much exactly like that. i heard if its up and lived in over 7 years, theres nothing council can do. He has his first rented about 9 years now

    Regardless they are not legal for habitation, without planning permission, as it stands. 30k is a lot to gamble. Enforcement crackdowns are an essential part of planning law.


  • #133
    L1011
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    Dickie10 wrote: »
    lads these are not sheds , there fully finished two decentish bedrooms,living area, small kitchen, small bathroom and hot press. same as a two bed apartment pretty much exactly like that. i heard if its up and lived in over 7 years, theres nothing council can do. He has his first rented about 9 years now

    The council may not be able to enforce planning at that stage, but they can absolutely fail it on rental standards. They do not meet building regulations either


  • #134
    Empty_Space
    Registered Users Posts: 227 ✭✭Empty_Space


    I've had one for years without issue. Don't mind the negative people on here.
    Show me one case of one being ripped down. Will be in for war if coming near me.

    Mod Note.

    Do not promote illegal activity in this forum.
    Consider this an on thread warning.

    The bottom line is that the use of these structures without planning is illegal.
    There are many examples of people having to vacate them, and not only that, because they choose to fight the system, they are also hit with the legal costs.

    Telling people to ignore the law is all well and good from behind a keyboard.

    Check out courts.ie or send an FOI to Dublin City Council or another authority.


  • #135
    Empty_Space
    Registered Users Posts: 227 ✭✭Empty_Space


    Empty_Space wrote: »
    I've had one for years without issue. Don't mind the negative people on here.
    Show me one case of one being ripped down. Will be in for war if coming near me.

    Mod Note.

    Do not promote illegal activity in this forum.
    Consider this an on thread warning.

    The bottom line is that the use of these structures without planning is illegal.
    There are many examples of people having to vacate them, and not only that, because they choose to fight the system, they are also hit with the legal costs.

    Telling people to ignore the law is all well and good from behind a keyboard.

    Check out courts.ie or send an FOI to Dublin City Council or another authority.

    You are missing the point entirely.

    I'm not doing anything illegal. There are easy ways around a controlling gov, your property, your decision.


  • #136
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Mod Note

    there will be no further warnings. Suggestion that planning laws can be ignored will result in an instant ban.

    Do not reply to this post.


  • #137
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Empty_Space wrote: »
    You are missing the point entirely.

    I'm not doing anything illegal. There are easy ways around a controlling gov, your property, your decision.

    Freeman of the land rubbish.


  • #138
    AoifeBrid55
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭AoifeBrid55


    I would love to hear more positive stories of people who managed to successfully get a log cabin in Ireland and still have it :D


  • #139
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,565 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    AoifeBrid55 wrote: »
    I would love to hear more positive stories of people who managed to successfully get a log cabin in Ireland and still have it :D

    There aren't going to be any, basically.

    By the time you get planning permission, its a house with all its coss, not a cheap log cabin anymore.


  • #140
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    AoifeBrid55 wrote: »
    I would love to hear more positive stories of people who managed to successfully get a log cabin in Ireland and still have it :D

    You won't hear their stories on here but there are hundreds, if not - thousands of them.


  • #141
    crossmolinalad
    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭crossmolinalad


    L1011 wrote: »
    They are not exempt from planning and someone else getting away with it doesn't mean you will.

    Had a hollyday in Cavan 2 years ago at a hollydaypark full of them
    Google logcabins in Ireland and you will be surprized how many there out there to been build as a home


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  • #142
    tritriagain
    Registered Users Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭tritriagain


    L1011 wrote: »
    There aren't going to be any, basically.

    By the time you get planning permission, its a house with all its coss, not a cheap log cabin anymore.

    There are plenty but they won't shout about it cos they don't want to draw attention to themselves. I know 2 couples living in them for 5 years plus and are getting on great.


  • #143
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,499 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    crossmolinalad wrote: »
    Had a hollyday in Cavan 2 years ago at a hollydaypark full of them
    Google logcabins in Ireland and you will be surprized how many there out there to been build as a home

    I don't think anyone is surprised that a lot of people ignore planning regulations!


  • #144
    Dempo1
    Registered Users Posts: 26,919 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I've spoken to numerous people in my locality (Laois) and all have been refused per to errect log cabins on fully serviced sites with full planning (for standard) build. For some reason, local authorities have become very anti log cabin. I get safety concerns but surely with a housing shortage and cabins a fraction of build cost, it just seems very odd.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • #145
    TheMilkyPirate
    Registered Users Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    AoifeBrid55 wrote: »
    I would love to hear more positive stories of people who managed to successfully get a log cabin in Ireland and still have it :D

    There are plenty but you won't hear them on here unfortunately. Do whatever you think yourself, boards will never allow discussion on getting away with it even though you will.


  • #146
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,565 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    crossmolinalad wrote: »
    Had a hollyday in Cavan 2 years ago at a hollydaypark full of them
    Google logcabins in Ireland and you will be surprized how many there out there to been build as a home

    Holiday accommodation has different planning requirements.

    People breaking the law to build them illegally is not a subject for this forum.

    If this thread continues to be 'you'll get away with it' style posts, it'll be closed and never come back


  • #147
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,229 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    AoifeBrid55 wrote: »
    I would love to hear more positive stories of people who managed to successfully get a log cabin in Ireland and still have it :D

    Loads of people do. The use them as garden rooms, home offices…


  • #148
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 40,967 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Dempo1 wrote: »
    I've spoken to numerous people in my locality (Laois) and all have been refused per to errect log cabins on fully serviced sites with full planning (for standard) build. For some reason, local authorities have become very anti log cabin trailer park. I get safety concerns but surely with a housing shortage and cabins a fraction of build cost, it just seems very odd.

    fixed your post for you

    we do not want /aspire to / need trailer parks in ireland


  • #149
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's a long thread, so apologies if it's been discussed, but can anyone tell my why planning would be an issue in the first place?

    I suppose what I'm confused about is, at what point does a garden shed become a log cabin? or is it nothing to do with size/style and more just to do with the intended use (presumably wanting to live in it)?


  • #150
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,499 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's a long thread, so apologies if it's been discussed, but can anyone tell my why planning would be an issue in the first place?

    I suppose what I'm confused about is, at what point does a garden shed become a log cabin? or is it nothing to do with size/style and more just to do with the intended use (presumably wanting to live in it)?

    If you sleep in it, it needs planning basically. The reason they don't get planning is they don't meet building regs, and to bring them up to regs it would just be cheaper to build traditionally.


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  • #151
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 40,967 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's a long thread, so apologies if it's been discussed, but can anyone tell my why planning would be an issue in the first place?

    I suppose what I'm confused about is, at what point does a garden shed become a log cabin? or is it nothing to do with size/style and more just to do with the intended use (presumably wanting to live in it)?

    Its absolutely everything to do with use.


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