Brexit impact on UK imports?

Tombo2001 · 29-11-2020 9:13pm #1

Cant see a recent thread on this which surprises me.

Is there any firm detail in pounds and pence or euro and cent vis a vis what the Brexit impact will be for people that buy a car in Newry and want to register it in Dundalk (for example).

There's a month to go, and the revenue website is still dealing in what 'may' happen rather than what 'will' happen.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/customs-traders-and-agents/brexit/information-for-businesses/vrt-implications-of-trade-with-the-uk/vrt-implications-of-importing-cars-from-the-uk.aspx

User1998 · 29-11-2020 9:54pm

If revenue can’t give firm detail, folk on boards won’t be able to either.

When Revenue say ‘may’ happen, Its because the UK and the EU are still working on a trade deal which may or may not be finished in time.

According to Revenue, N.I imports won’t be subject to any extra charges, cars from the UK will be subject to VAT, customs, and VRT. Similar to a Japanese import

Theres a dedicated Importing from UK thread hence no separate thread for this

_Kaiser_ · 30-11-2020 1:11am

User1998 wrote: »

If revenue can’t give firm detail, folk on boards won’t be able to either.

When Revenue say ‘may’ happen, Its because the UK and the EU are still working on a trade deal which may or may not be finished in time.

According to Revenue, N.I imports won’t be subject to any extra charges, cars from the UK will be subject to VAT, customs, and VRT. Similar to a Japanese import

Theres a dedicated Importing from UK thread hence no separate thread for this

I see a business opportunity for NI dealers and traders to import from the "mainland" and sell on down South

bazz26 · 30-11-2020 1:57am

They have been doing that for years.

Tombo2001 · 30-11-2020 9:41am

User1998 wrote: »

If revenue can’t give firm detail, folk on boards won’t be able to either.

When Revenue say ‘may’ happen, Its because the UK and the EU are still working on a trade deal which may or may not be finished in time.

According to Revenue, N.I imports won’t be subject to any extra charges, cars from the UK will be subject to VAT, customs, and VRT. Similar to a Japanese import

Theres a dedicated Importing from UK thread hence no separate thread for this

Thanks for this. I hadn't seen the sub-forum.

By the sounds of it, if NI imports arent subject to any extra charges, then I dont see how things change all that much.

Isambard · 30-11-2020 10:20am

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Thanks for this. I hadn't seen the sub-forum.

By the sounds of it, if NI imports arent subject to any extra charges, then I dont see how things change all that much.

no one knows and it's dependant on a deal... No Deal and extra charges apply.

Del2005 · 30-11-2020 10:59am

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I see a business opportunity for NI dealers and traders to import from the "mainland" and sell on down South

I thought the same but isn't one of the reasons the DUP don't like this deal is because there will be duty between Northern Ireland and Britain

User1998 · 30-11-2020 11:51am

Dealers in the north are going to have to pay more taxes on the profits they make from cars from the mainland and that will increase the prices they charge here

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-54967496

Marcusm · 01-12-2020 12:29am

User1998 wrote: »

Dealers in the north are going to have to pay more taxes on the profits they make from cars from the mainland and that will increase the prices they charge here

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-54967496

They will have to focus on VAT qualifying cars and I suspect HMRC will give an input tax credit.

gally74 · 28-12-2020 11:32am

looks liek this is over as its going to get complicated..... the reality is 2nd hand car prices will rise over here, then eventually they will realise they can raise the price of new cars too.

Citrus_8 · 28-12-2020 4:12pm

gally74 wrote: »

looks liek this is over as its going to get complicated..... the reality is 2nd hand car prices will rise over here, then eventually they will realise they can raise the price of new cars too.

Does a deal Brexit mean tariffs and taxes on the card imports? I thought most things are going to be same except a more paperwork which shouldn't increase prices too much. Or it's just a classical way to find any reason to increase prices and blame Brexit for it? Irish car importers should be interested in keeping their business and servicing a demand and they shouldn't increase prices to cover their lose due to paperwork.

Quebec Delta Mike · 06-01-2021 7:24pm

Hi,

Not sure if this has been followed up anywhere else, but here is the answer to the question...

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/registration-of-imported-used-vehicles/index.aspx

So, Revenue are applying the full quota of restrictions/taxes on a UK vehicle import. I spoke to them today for clarification, and was told by someone there, reading the same web page as me, what was now expected since Jan 1st 2021.

To import a UK vehicle...

1. You need to engage with a Customs Facilitation Agent....Google it, there are lots, all for a fee, I haven't chased it up yet. They will need a Commodity Code/HF Code for the vehicle, supplied by the seller/dealer. The agent will fill out the Customs Declaration Form for you.

2. You will then pay 10% import duty.
3. On top of that...21% VAT !!
4. Then pay the VRT....and don't forget the NOX tax as well (if it's a diesel)

So that's 5 separate taxes/payments now needed to bring in a car/mcycle from the UK....someone do the sums, but I think that market is now dead!

QDM

Isambard · 06-01-2021 9:39pm

Quebec Delta Mike wrote: »

Hi,

Not sure if this has been followed up anywhere else, but here is the answer to the question...

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/registration-of-imported-used-vehicles/index.aspx

So, Revenue are applying the full quota of restrictions/taxes on a UK vehicle import. I spoke to them today for clarification, and was told by someone there, reading the same web page as me, what was now expected since Jan 1st 2021.

To import a UK vehicle...

1. You need to engage with a Customs Facilitation Agent....Google it, there are lots, all for a fee, I haven't chased it up yet. They will need a Commodity Code/HF Code for the vehicle, supplied by the seller/dealer. The agent will fill out the Customs Declaration Form for you.

2. You will then pay 10% import duty.
3. On top of that...21% VAT !!
4. Then pay the VRT....and don't forget the NOX tax as well (if it's a diesel)

So that's 5 separate taxes/payments now needed to bring in a car/mcycle from the UK....someone do the sums, but I think that market is now dead!

QDM

unfortunately you are not correct on a couple of points, some more research needed.

The_B_Man · 07-01-2021 10:53am

Does that apply to second hand cars as well? I mean where VAT has already been paid in England, can you claim it back?

MetzgerMeister · 08-01-2021 11:32am

Isambard wrote: »

unfortunately you are not correct on a couple of points, some more research needed.

Correct. Revenue's website says that a car imported from the UK will not incur a customs duty fee. There is still however VAT and VRT to be paid.

Bluefoam · 08-01-2021 11:35am

I would hazard a guess and say that most UK imports have already paid VAT in the EU... they were originally bought when the UK was in the EU... I'm not saying revenue won't charge VAT on them again, but seems slightly obscure to me. I'm not offering answers, just speculating.

I do think Brexit will drive second hand car prices up. Ideally Ireland should switch to LHD, but that seems a massive endevour at this stage.

MetzgerMeister · 08-01-2021 3:54pm

So it would make sense then that only cars registered on and after 01.01.21 will incur the VAT charge? Makes a lot more sense.

Casati · 08-01-2021 7:45pm

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

So it would make sense then that only cars registered on and after 01.01.21 will incur the VAT charge? Makes a lot more sense.

That might make sense to you or I, however VAT has to be paid again. Also if the car was manufactured outside the U.K. you will be stung for 10% duty also

Tropheus · 08-01-2021 8:38pm

Casati wrote: »

That might make sense to you or I, however VAT has to be paid again. Also if the car was manufactured outside the U.K. you will be stung for 10% duty also

It doesn't make sense that duty would apply on an EU manufactured car.

However, we have VRT so nothing would surprise me.

Isambard · 08-01-2021 8:48pm

Tropheus wrote: »

It doesn't make sense that duty would apply on an EU manufactured car.

However, we have VRT so nothing would surprise me.

I beleive that this is for EU registered cars exported to or used in the UK. These would attract duty on export to Ireland.

celtic_oz · 08-01-2021 9:03pm

taken from https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40201356.html

If you are an individual or a business and you import vehicles from Britain, you are required to complete a customs declaration; pay or account for customs duty of 10% if applicable; and pay Vat at 21% prior to presenting the vehicle for registration

so VAT is always due ?

is customs duty normally applicable ?

in this context is N Ireland = Britain ?

MetzgerMeister · 11-01-2021 11:10am

So in essence someone sells a car in the UK to me, they get a VAT and VRT refund upon export and then I have to pay VAT and VRT here.

Yep, that market is dead and so are the likes of Flipping Cars (he'll be flipping burgers from now on :pac: ) and any other car sourcing company unless they focus on NI cars.

EDIT: As an example, a car I was looking at was going to cost c. €43,000 cleared before Brexit. Now it's at €56,000. !LOL!

ELM327 · 11-01-2021 11:15am

Tropheus wrote: »

It doesn't make sense that duty would apply on an EU manufactured car.

However, we have VRT so nothing would surprise me.

It doesnt make sense, but that's the agreement.

ELM327 · 11-01-2021 11:16am

celtic_oz wrote: »

taken from https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40201356.html

so VAT is always due ?

is customs duty normally applicable ?

in this context is N Ireland = Britain ?

No.
There are three terms that are now going to be fully understood. UK, GB,NI.

celtic_oz · 11-01-2021 11:20am

ELM327 wrote: »

No.
There are three terms that are now going to be fully understood. UK, GB,NI.

Are you saying VAT or customs duty are not due on cars imported from NI ?

MetzgerMeister · 11-01-2021 11:22am

celtic_oz wrote: »

Are you saying VAT or customs duty are not due on cars imported from NI ?

That's how it looks.

The thing is, one can own and drive a UK reg car in NI without any cost involved. It's up to the owner if they want to register it on NI plates but it's not necessary so beware of that if you're looking for only NI cars.

Esel · 11-01-2021 11:26am

Car has to have been registered in NI before 31/12/2020 to qualify for no Duty or VAT afaik.

Isambard · 11-01-2021 11:32am

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

That's how it looks.

The thing is, one can own and drive a UK reg car in NI without any cost involved. It's up to the owner if they want to register it on NI plates but it's not necessary so beware of that if you're looking for only NI cars.

you would have to have proof that a GB car was properly imported to NI, and registered by a Resident or NI business , or a NI dealer.

Different VAT arrangements apply too for a business importing into NI , they will have to pay the VAT up front rather than on sale.Presumably to avoid the cars all disappearing over the border, VAT unpaid.

ELM327 · 11-01-2021 11:34am

celtic_oz wrote: »

Are you saying VAT or customs duty are not due on cars imported from NI ?

VAT and customs duty on importing an NI car with the appropriate paperwork is nil.

See from revenue:

Revenue wrote:

If a vehicle is being imported from Northern Ireland, no import duty will apply but you may be liable to pay:
Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT)

VAT at 21% (only in respect of new vehicles).

https://www.revenue.ie/en/customs-traders-and-agents/brexit/brexit-for-individuals/importing-a-vehicle-from-great-britain-gb-or-northern-ireland.aspx

MetzgerMeister · 11-01-2021 11:51am

Isambard wrote: »

you would have to have proof that a GB car was properly imported to NI, and registered by a Resident or NI business , or a NI dealer.

Different VAT arrangements apply too for a business importing into NI , they will have to pay the VAT up front rather than on sale.Presumably to avoid the cars all disappearing over the border, VAT unpaid.

Correct. Also the car has to have lived in NI for 6 months previous to import date.

Casati · 11-01-2021 12:27pm

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Correct. Also the car has to have lived in NI for 6 months previous to import date.

Where did you get the six month rule from- don't believe this is stated on the revenue site?

Either way N.I. looks like they will also struggle to get enough cars to fulfil their own demand as vat is also liable between U.K. and N.I. on used cars older than 6 months / > 6,000km covered so its likely prices up there will increase to a level that it won't make sense to import from their either.

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