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Handwriting decipher thread *must post link to full page*

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  • #1502
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    Other Mods have banned me.:o:)
    What does one do if there is a contribution and the OP thread is not suitable? Add it in the wrong thread, highlight a move or not contribute?:confused:
    edit - now you've gone and moved the posts


  • #1503
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Send me a pm to discuss before posting.

    And this convo is also off topic, so we'll leave it here.

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  • #1504
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    I wonder can anyone make out the name of the child of Peter Bridgeman and Catherine Miniter in this baptism from Shanagolden on June 12th 1856?
    There is a transcript for it at FMP but I'm not sure they have it right.
    It's about half way down the left hand page opposite the '1909' note on the next page.

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  • #1505
    mickmackey1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    Difficult one but looks like 'ci' in the middle, I'd take a stab at Franciscus.


  • #1506
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Is it Patricium?


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  • #1507
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    spurious wrote: »
    Is it Patricium?

    I'd really like it to be Patricium but I honestly can't say. :)

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  • #1508
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Hermy wrote: »
    I'd really like it to be Patricium but I honestly can't say. :)

    It looks like that, but is Patrick not usually Patricius? Is it a boy or a girl? I don't know enough Latin grammar to know what -ium would mean.


  • #1509
    Vetch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 422 ✭✭Vetch


    What looks like Patricium is formed the same way in an entry on 9 October 1856.


  • #1510
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    spurious wrote: »
    It looks like that, but is Patrick not usually Patricius? Is it a boy or a girl? I don't know enough Latin grammar to know what -ium would mean.

    Yes, just Googled that and Patricium is Patricia apparently.

    There was a son Patrick and I've been through the register and not found any other likely entry so I'm inclined to think that might be him.

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  • #1511
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    Hermy wrote: »
    Yes, just Googled that and Patricium is Patricia apparently.

    There was a son Patrick and I've been through the register and not found any other likely entry so I'm inclined to think that might be him.

    No. (sorry!):pac:
    I’m finding it hard to decipher the text – I see ‘Minihen’ (not Miniter) and Apud Robertstown (at Robertstown)

    However the Latin bit is easy –Patricius (Patrick) the male name is a second declension noun. In Latin nouns are ‘declined’ which means their suffixes change form according to their grammatical place/role in a sentence.
    Nominative Patricius Patrick (as subject)
    Vocative Patricie Patrick (as a form or address)
    Accusative Patricium Patrick as object of the sentence
    Genitive Patricii Of Patrick
    Dative Patricio to Patrick
    Ablative Patricio by, with or from Patrick

    So in a baptism of Patrick the priest would state ‘Ego Jo. Smith PP Bapt. Patricium etc as –ium denotes the male object of the baptism.

    Were it a female, Patricia, it would be a first declension noun and the above cases would be Patricia, Patricia, Patriciam, Patriciae, Patriciae, Patricia.
    So a girl would be Patriciam, - hard to distinguisha from a boy Patricium in a scrawl.

    It also should be noted that Maynooth was not to ‘hot’ on Latin grammar, often the level of some priests was less than basic.


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  • #1512
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    pedroeibar1 wrote: »
    No. (sorry!):pac:
    I’m finding it hard to decipher the text – I see ‘Minihen’ (not Miniter) and Apud Robertstown (at Robertstown).

    Don't be sorry - that's another great post!

    Robertstown is right and if it's not Miniter it should be, as per other information.

    So it's just a matter of fiinding something else that confirms whether or not it's Patrick.

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  • #1513
    VicWynne
    Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭VicWynne


    Hi folks,
    I'm hoping you can help with the notes (especially the crossed out ones) on the baptism of Christopher Coyle. It's the first one on the page.

    https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st_lawrence_mf_1853-1880_ba_0407

    Any help appreciated.
    Many thanks,
    Vic


  • #1514
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    VicWynne wrote: »
    Hi folks,
    I'm hoping you can help with the notes (especially the crossed out ones) on the baptism of Christopher Coyle. It's the first one on the page.

    https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st_lawrence_mf_1853-1880_ba_0407

    Any help appreciated.
    Many thanks,
    Vic

    I think the crossed out bit is the thing they usually put when it has been a private baptism, for example where the child might have been poorly at birth.

    I think the stamp is the name of a person he married on 6 Jan 1915 - M Fahy? at St. Something in Rome?

    Remarried Anne Licker (?)
    ? ?? Cathedral? Catholic?
    17.9.44


  • #1515
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    The image looks a bit clearer at NLI.ie.

    455211.png

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  • #1516
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Remarried Anne Licker? at Pro-Cathedral.
    (D'oh...it's obvious when you see it).

    **edit cross checked at familysearch. It's Annie Tucker.


  • #1517
    VicWynne
    Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭VicWynne


    Many thanks folks. He 'married' Mary Halligan somewhere around 1903/04 - I haven't found any cert, but from the census in 1911 he was married 4 years and she died in 1908. I have her death certificate.

    I've found the reference to the marriage to Annie Tucker... Small world as we have Tuckers elsewhere on the other side of that branch...

    :)


  • #1518
    JDERIC2017
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭JDERIC2017


    Hi,

    can anyone help with the address under the name and his occupation?
    Thanks.


  • #1519
    mickmackey1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    7 Mary's lane for the address anyway, occupation is tough... could even be 'Workhouse'.


  • #1520
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 76,310 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Could it be "milkman"?


  • #1521
    JDERIC2017
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭JDERIC2017


    mickmackey1 wrote: »
    7 Mary's lane for the address anyway, occupation is tough... could even be 'Workhouse'.




    Thanks, trying to figure out which Joseph he is in the family as it says he was a bachelor the one I know was married.


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  • #1522
    BowWow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭BowWow


    I think occupation is "Not Known".

    Died in Grangegorman Mental Hospital, so they may have put this down.


  • #1523
    New Home
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    Actually, I think BowWow is right.


  • #1524
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    BowWow wrote: »
    I think occupation is "Not Known".

    Maybe even Unknown.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #1525
    kanadams123
    Registered Users Posts: 403 ✭✭kanadams123


    Hi, This may be slightly off topic as i cant find the original document to post, but in one record, what looks like the letters N.T appear after a relatives name. I had transcribed the document before and it appeared as follows.

    It was a marriage between " ......the youngest daughter of Mr. Phillip Cotter N.T, Ballincollig, Cork and Mr.......... "

    I recall seeing N.T after names like this before.

    Sorry that i don't have a document to post with this, but i am sure it was N.T as i have seen it before, but it could have been something similar, but i have no idea what NT means. Any ideas?


  • #1526
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 76,310 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    National (School) Teacher, perhaps?


  • #1527
    kanadams123
    Registered Users Posts: 403 ✭✭kanadams123


    New Home wrote: »
    National (School) Teacher, perhaps?

    Ah Yes!! That would be it! Thanks:)


  • #1528
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 76,310 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    I couldn't think of it either, I just typed N.T. in Wikipedia and that was the most plausible option. :)


  • #1529
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    New Home wrote: »
    National (School) Teacher, perhaps?

    That's it.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #1530
    JDERIC2017
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭JDERIC2017


    Hi all need some help please.

    Can you make out cause of death, I was told she died in child birth just want to make sure think she 2 x great grandmother.

    Thanks in advance


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  • #1531
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    I know I'm leaving out the difficult bit but that's the best I can do. :)

    "Debility
    after her ___
    __________
    uncertified
    no medical
    attendant
    three hours"

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