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05-02-2020, 16:30   #136
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Too many people are pissed off with the housing situation and will vote for sf regardless of what she says. Rather take a chance on the unknown.

There’s much more homeless in NI


https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-37719853.html

There’s 10,000 here and that’s too much but not as ad as NI and half the population.

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05-02-2020, 16:40   #137
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I think Leo won it to be honest. MLMD definitely lost though
That would be my conclusion also.

I'm not party affiliated and vote for who I consider to be best candidate. I wont be voting or either FG, FF or SF next Saturday so could watch this from perhaps a more neutral perspective.

I thought Leo spoke best, articulated his policies best and was best briefed. However, he still has a certain D4 attitude and I have great difficulty in respecting a cabinet including him, Simon Harris and Eoghan Murphy. It looks to me like 3 lads from Blackrock playing at being politicians for a school project and making a mess of it.

Michael Martin did ok. His quip to MLM at the end about her biggest regret being when she joined FF was excellent. Quote of the night! I always get the feeling from him that he is a thoroughly decent man with very good intentions towards the country. But he is a legacy from a bitter past.

Finally MLM. She began by trying to shout the others down and almost baited them to attack her which, I expect, was a SF ploy to portray the other two (men) as bullies. They were wise to this though. she had uncomfortable moments when dealing (or not) with the Central Criminal Court and the Quinn murder. Her input re car charging points was laughable.

However, where she and SF fall down is there is no substance on policy to back up their aspirations. I would simply have no confidence in them to run a bath never mind a country. She said nothing last night to dissuade me from this position. I've always seen SF as a party who will complain about everything and will be happy to do so as it suits them better than leading by example.
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MLMcD also deserves huge criticism for her pension policy. Build a load of homes and wait for a baby boom seems to be the genuine plan of attacking the pension shortfall. It's going against every conceivable metric we have that shows we are an aging population with smaller and smaller families even/especially those with their own homes. To go from that suggestion of sending the wimmins home to breed large families to the 'mansplaining' accusation thrown at MM was a cheap and embarassing attempt at being down with the twitterati. Pathetic resorting to claims of sexism in the middle of a debate where you're advocating large families to fix a pension shortfall.
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Fitzer appears to have left a branded car in my housing estate. No NCT, no tax or insurance displayed.
And it’s gone.
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05-02-2020, 21:50   #140
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This election could really change the Irish political landscape! It could make or break SF on a few levels. If they dont turn poll ratings in to seats it shows a lack of robustness in support and willingness by the electorate to take a chance on a real alternative to FF/FG when it comes to the crunch. It will say plenty about the value of polls too lol! If they do get in to governent I think they would be under greater scrutiny and even held to a higher bar than the usual duo. Its a lot easier to be in opposition and will find themselves being more pragmatic than principled as most parties do when put in government. This will be pounced from day dot and damage them more than similar behaviour of established Govt parties.

If SF poll as currently predicted there is going to be a lot of difficulty forming a government without a seismic change in policy for parties as independants and fringe parties will not necessarily get any one of 3 partiess polling in and around 23%. So options/opinions? FG with another confidence and supply agreement with FF or visa versa. FF cosy up to SF or visa versa. Or FG/FF/SF (not with eachother) in a rainbow coalition that will have every one of the rest so likely to collapse early.
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If SF poll as currently predicted there is going to be a lot of difficulty forming a government without a seismic change in policy for parties as independants and fringe parties will not necessarily get any one of 3 partiess polling in and around 23%. So options/opinions? FG with another confidence and supply agreement with FF or visa versa. FF cosy up to SF or visa versa. Or FG/FF/SF (not with eachother) in a rainbow coalition that will have every one of the rest so likely to collapse early.
This is my worry - what if on Monday morning neither FF or FG have a majority (which is the most likely outcome) and there is no possibility of forming a coalition? Are we back to the polls again? And what are the ramifications of that? Would there be a possibility that SF could run more candidates? Or would it be the same candidates - just round 2? The thoughts of it
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This is my worry - what if on Monday morning neither FF or FG have a majority (which is the most likely outcome) and there is no possibility of forming a coalition? Are we back to the polls again? And what are the ramifications of that? Would there be a possibility that SF could run more candidates? Or would it be the same candidates - just round 2? The thoughts of it
New election so completely new tickets and SF could run as many candidates as they like.

It’d be a tough decision for them to call though, if their current rise in the polls is based more in protest at the other 2 parties then a second election would likely see them revert to their previous position. Lisbon and Nice have shown that if there is a protest vote in Ireland it usually falls away the second vote. So running more candidates could split their vote and be a disaster for them.

Or the polls are not a protest and there really is a swing from FF/FG to SF in which case failing to run more candidates would see them miss out on seats.

Interesting times ahead.
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Nice bit of electioneering out in Lordship last night.

FF & FG posters burned off the poles & big hand painted placard advising locals not to vote for Black and Tans.

They haven't gone away you know.
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This is my worry - what if on Monday morning neither FF or FG have a majority (which is the most likely outcome) and there is no possibility of forming a coalition? Are we back to the polls again? And what are the ramifications of that? Would there be a possibility that SF could run more candidates? Or would it be the same candidates - just round 2? The thoughts of it
The biggest party will try to form a government. That looks like FF and their target would be the smaller parties plus some sensible Indos. If they don't look like getting there they may look to FG to be a mudguard. If that doesn't work then maybe FG will have a go, but they just won't have the numbers. All of this could take up to at least Easter or even later and we might be back at it again in June. If a deal is done we should have at least 12 months of government but I doubt it will go anywhere near a full Dail term.
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Nice bit of electioneering out in Lordship last night.

FF & FG posters burned off the poles & big hand painted placard advising locals not to vote for Black and Tans.

They haven't gone away you know.
Guess it's going to be a fun 3 years of commemorating!
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Nice bit of electioneering out in Lordship last night.

FF & FG posters burned off the poles & big hand painted placard advising locals not to vote for Black and Tans.

They haven't gone away you know.
Yeah,the poster burners haven't gone away atalllllll!! Everywhere the hoors.

https://www.talkofthetown.ie/o-murch...rs-are-burned/
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Interfering with election posters is very childish.
The last time I did it I was about 9 years old. I drew a moustache on Dev.
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06-02-2020, 17:48   #148
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Yeah,the poster burners haven't gone away atalllllll!! Everywhere the hoors.

https://www.talkofthetown.ie/o-murch...rs-are-burned/
Best statement ever

“Sinn Féin will not be intimidated or bullied.”
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Best statement ever

“Sinn Féin will not be intimidated or bullied.”
Who are SF intimidating or bullying?
You appear to be intimating they are.
Or am i reading your post wrong?
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