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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • #62
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    She wasn't even a follower of Trump, but a mate told her to get on the Trump train and she amazingly changed her views on diff matters instantly.


  • #63
    sid waddell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    On her day 1 presser, as soon as she said “I will never lie to you", it was over.

    She lied then... She's lying now... If she's talking, she's lying!

    Like Spicer, she started off with the big lie.


  • #64
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Spicer was forced to lie, McAnany is very willing.


  • #65
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,409 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Just kind of doing a catch up of the days news involving trump and the Congress. And the more the months and years change the more it stays the same.

    The senate have stripped out of a bill the requirement for political campaigns to report foreign help. I mean presumably this a GOP thing but I mean they aren't even trying to be subtle about it.

    Donald trump has called black lives matter a symbol of hate... sorry I can't really form a coherent continuation of that sentence.

    I see the descendants of those people commemorated with statues of the confederacy are in favour of removal of the statues which normally should be the people politicians and voters should listen to yet trump is saying he will veto a defence bill which includes renaming us based named after confederate generals.


  • #66
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Im presuming that the leak to the NYT about the Russian bounties in Afghanistan came from John Bolton, it might even have been a full chapter in his book but he wasnt allowed publish it under national security rules. Would wonder what other scandals from the Oval Office werent allowed to be published in his book but now will instead be leaked to the national media.

    Hadn't thought of that, but you have a valid point..


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  • #67
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Agreed, I thought it would be hard to find a Press Secretary as deceitful as Sarah Sanders, but in Kayleigh he has outdone himself, I can't bear to watch her sidestep questions, tell lies and generally cover his ass for him.

    Telling blatant lies as Press Secretary can be self-defeating. The more she obviously lies and dodges questions the more people will suspect that there are myriad reasons why she is lying. The MAGA clowns aside, people will see her transparent rubbish as a negative and another reason not to trust the Trump administration with four more years in office.


  • #68
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Water John wrote: »
    TMK Gilead manufacture the drug in Carrigtowhill in Cork. Perhaps the EU should requesition drugs made in the EU?

    Yeah... They could try to invoke the same 'National Security' type measures that the US is using to prevent masks being exported to Canada and elsewhere. Good tactic, but I wouldn't use it for Remdesivir. That's not the hill to die on!


  • #69
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    weisses wrote: »
    What specifically don't you like about what democrats have to offer ?

    I just don't find them appealing to be honest.


  • #70
    sid waddell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    Water John wrote: »
    Spicer was forced to lie, McAnany is very willing.

    Spicer willingly lied and willingly lied hard.

    He knew full well he was lying, and his body language gave it way.

    He was "just following orders".

    But you have to be willing to follow orders to do what he did.

    Spicer also didn't have the excuse that he would be executed if he didn't follow orders.

    He would have just walked back into society and got a cushy job somewhere in the RNC or the media.

    Spicer is a classic example of somebody who is willing to put naked careerism ahead of any sort of principle. That's how fascism advances.


  • #71
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    nthclare wrote: »
    I just don't find them appealing to be honest.

    Like, specifically?

    Or is it just a Coke v Pepsi challenge for you?


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  • #72
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    sid waddell wrote: »
    Spicer willingly lied and willingly lied hard.

    He knew full well he was lying, and his body language gave it way.

    He was "just following orders".

    But you have to be willing to follow orders to do what he did.

    Spicer also didn't have the excuse that he would be executed if he didn't follow orders.

    He would have just walked back into society and got a cushy job somewhere in the RNC or the media.

    Spicer is a classic example of somebody who is willing to put naked careerism ahead of any sort of principle. That's how fascism advances.
    I was with you up until the last sentence. Sean Spicer is nobody's key to the advancement of anything, let alone fascism. Duffy 's Circus maybe...

    Now Kayleigh.... That's a very different story...


  • #73
    randomname2005
    Registered Users Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Gerrymandering is far less of a problem at the State level - regardless of where you section off the voters to they still all roll up and count overall. I don't believe that any of the states run a "mini electoral college" , they are all just FPTP total count to the best of my knowledge.

    It's a huge issue at the Congressional House and State-house level though.

    The risk in National Elections is simply voter suppression.

    If you gerrymander and close polling stations the other side have a big problem


  • #74
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,409 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    The Lincoln project have another ad out and it may be the best one yet. It's all in Russian with English subtitles. Brilliant.


  • #75
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    So Trump has once again claimed that Covid19 will "just disappear"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-coronavirus-cases-us-fox-news-interview-today-covid-a9596631.html?utm_source=reddit.com

    This is in spite of the 40,000 new cases a day in the United States, and possibility that will increase to 100,000.


  • #76
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,409 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    So Trump has once again claimed that Covid19 will "just disappear"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-coronavirus-cases-us-fox-news-interview-today-covid-a9596631.html?utm_source=reddit.com

    This is in spite of the 40,000 new cases a day in the United States, and possibility that will increase to 100,000.

    He wants and needs it to disappear but unless every public health official in America and around the world are wrong this virus isn't gone away nor is it going away.


  • #77
    sid waddell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    I was with you up until the last sentence. Sean Spicer is nobody's key to the advancement of anything, let alone fascism. Duffy 's Circus maybe...

    Now Kayleigh.... That's a very different story...
    Spicer started off his tenure as press secretary with the big lie, the one about the size of the inauguration crowd, the one that everybody, including him, knew was an easily disprovable lie that could be disproved within five seconds.

    The big lie is key to fascism.

    Trump needed foot soldiers to lie flagrantly to set the tone for the cult-like loyalty his fascism would require and Spicer was only too willing to be the public face who knowingly degraded himself by vomiting out those lies.


  • #78
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,233 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    +45,188 covid cases in the US at the moment.
    Deaths are increasing too.
    Not good.


  • #79
    Headshot
    Registered Users Posts: 53,823 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    The Lincoln project have another ad out and it may be the best one yet. It's all in Russian with English subtitles. Brilliant.

    https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1278430418161872909

    It's really really good.

    "Comrade Trump" will catch on big time.


  • #80
    Jack1985
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    Cody montana wrote: »
    +45,188 covid cases in the US at the moment.
    Deaths are increasing too.
    Not good.

    Once this surging continues and we see hospital overruns that's when deaths will surge and it's happening predominantly in red states.


  • #81
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,233 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Jack1985 wrote: »
    Once this surging continues and we see hospital overruns thats when deaths will surge and it's happening predominantly red states.

    Trump seems to have stopped talking about it.
    There is no leadership.
    God help the people.


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  • #82
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    The Lincoln project have another ad out and it may be the best one yet. It's all in Russian with English subtitles. Brilliant.

    The folks who are doing these adverts are awesome. They have dialled into a media mechanism in the same way as Parscale and Bannon did for Trump in 2016. The fact that they are being harnessed by Never Trumpers is basically giving the (once again) mediocre media ability of the Dems a big pass. So, the 15- 30-second advert media battle is being fought out between two opposing arms of the Republican Party. And the Dems are largely just buying popcorn!


  • #83
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    sid waddell wrote: »
    Spicer started off his tenure as press secretary with the big lie, the one about the size of the inauguration crowd, the one that everybody, including him, knew was an easily disprovable lie that could be disproved within five seconds.

    The big lie is key to fascism.

    Trump needed foot soldiers to lie flagrantly to set the tone for the cult-like loyalty his fascism would require and Spicer was only too willing to be the public face who knowingly degraded himself by vomiting out those lies.

    The big lie that underpins fascism has to be something that is believable and that takes time and effort to disprove. Otherwise, the lie is just Comical Ali stuff and is risible to everyone. Sean's 1st lie was a crass attempt and any moron could see it as such. Later iterations, and particularly Kayleigh type stuff get much closer to the Big Lie as propagated by Goebbels.


  • #84
    sid waddell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    Headshot wrote: »

    "Comrade Trump" will catch on big time.

    Cue Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald, Krystal Ball and Katie Halper ranting that the Biden campaign is being run by Russia-hating Republicans, no doubt.

    Ironically enough the "burn down the state" strategy of the likes of Charles Koch, Steve Bannon and Dominic Cummings, ie. the people who run the Trump/Brexiteer strategy, is modelled on Lenin.


  • #85
    fullstop
    Registered Users Posts: 11,297 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Trump seems to have stopped talking about it.
    There is no leadership.
    God help the people.

    Of course he has. The only way he could spin it before was that it was the Dem states who couldn’t control the virus...those do nothing democrats. Now it’s going ape in the republican states (because of his ‘open the economy’ bull****) he has no way to spin it so he’ll just pretend it isn’t there.


  • #86
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    Like, specifically?

    Or is it just a Coke v Pepsi challenge for you?

    Ah sure we'll see what happens, it's no big deal really.

    I just prefer the republicans to be honest.


  • #87
    sid waddell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    The big lie that underpins fascism has to be something that is believable and that takes time and effort to disprove. Otherwise, the lie is just Comical Ali stuff and is risible to everyone. Sean's 1st lie was a crass attempt and any moron could see it as such. Later iterations, and particularly Kayleigh type stuff get much closer to the Big Lie as propagated by Goebbels.

    Of course everybody could see it for what it was. That was the point. It demonstrated the Trump regime would lie about the most ridiculous and most disprovable things, and would therefore lie about everything, that they would troll everybody relentlessly. The point was to make flagrant lying become completely normalised and accepted as a fact of life, to wear down resistance through exhausting people, that so much time would be spent disproving lies that people would become exhausted and start to think they were going nuts, to drain hope from opponents, and that so much noise would be created that institutions would crumble, that attention would be drawn away from the appalling abuses of power, so as to enable them to take place. And that's how it has panned out.


  • #88
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,409 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Cody montana wrote: »
    +45,188 covid cases in the US at the moment.
    Deaths are increasing too.
    Not good.

    Is that so far today ? Not good is a fairly good description.


  • #89
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Headshot wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1278430418161872909

    It's really really good.

    "Comrade Trump" will catch on big time.

    Great video. It ought to impact on the educated among the undecided/swing voters. However, its overt message relies on the viewer's ability to read a fast moving script, which will exclude many of his core voters from understandings written elements . But that may be it's greatest power... The constant juxtapositioning of Trump and McConnell and even Ryan (who??) with Lenin and Putin tells a story that's far stronger than what's in the contrived subtitling. And that may leave a lasting subliminal message...


  • #90
    Gbear
    Registered Users Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Dillonb3 wrote: »
    You can throw in the Supreme Court judges as well. Next 2 likely justices to retire are both liberal leaning ones and Trump/McConnell will definitely push for conservative ones to lock it down for years to come


    I heard a funny suggestion the other day on Al Franken's podcast.


    There's a no age limit for SC justices, so nominate a toddler, and they'll be there for 70+ years! :pac:


    Headshot wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1278430418161872909

    It's really really good.

    "Comrade Trump" will catch on big time.


    Honestly, it's a load of despicable ignorant bull****.


    The use of the cold war imagery bespeaks the absolute basement-tier level of political discourse in the US. The Never Trump Republicans bear a huge amount of the responsibility for the state of the planet, and the advent of Trumpism.


    The idea that the problem is a giant evil monolithic empire in Russia is an incredibly convenient excuse for people who legalised bribery in the US, and for whom it suits to play up a narrative that it woz them that did it, when they run in the same oligarchic circles as Trump, and Putin's other cronies.


    They're utterly despicable people, and I hope not only is Trumpism defeated, but all the schemes in propagating climate change, war-mongering, religious ignorance, racism and white supremacy, that those supposed honest brokers who are just reasonable people, dontcha'know, and can't be compared to the party they've opportunistically abandoned, are as well.


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  • #91
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,233 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Is that so far today ? Not good is a fairly good description.

    Number of new daily coronavirus cases in the US tops 52,000 for the first time after eight states hit record highs for new infections and second lockdowns loom across the country.


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