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Are you automatically moved on the salary scale or are there forms to fill out?

  • 21-05-2020 10:21pm
    #1
    TypicalDub
    Registered Users Posts: 36 ✭


    Simple question that I cant find anywhere. Do you automatically move up the salary scale for secondary teachers when you have met the criteria or is there anything you have to do to make sure you are moved up?


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  • #2
    mtoutlemonde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    TypicalDub wrote: »
    Simple question that I cant find anywhere. Do you automatically move up the salary scale for secondary teachers when you have met the criteria or is there anything you have to do to make sure you are moved up?

    Was your question not answered in your previous thread? Every 600 hours, every RPT/Fixed term contract or CID.


  • #3
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    Not necessarily automatic, especially if based on hours rather than a fixed term contract. You may need to contact payroll. ETB usually more efficient in this regard than DES.


  • #4
    mtoutlemonde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    Matthias Stocky Traitor wrote: »
    Not necessarily automatic, especially if based on hours rather than a fixed term contract. You may need to contact payroll. ETB usually more efficient in this regard than DES.

    Correct, when I was subbing, I used to keep a record of my hours and when I passed the 600 hours, I checked my payslip in the next academic year and I went up.

    I can't agree re ETB vs Payroll. My experience with my local ETB was rudeness and sloppiness. Anytime I have ever rang the department, I have been dealt quickly and politely.


  • #5
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    mtoutlemonde wrote: »
    Correct, when I was subbing, I used to keep a record of my hours and when I passed the 600 hours, I checked my payslip in the next academic year and I went up.

    I can't agree re ETB vs Payroll. My experience with my local ETB was rudeness and sloppiness. Anytime I have ever rang the department, I have been dealt quickly and politely.

    It probably varies by ETB, but I found them highly efficient and the DES incompetent. The absolute fcuk up last year of ceasing all temp teachers' employment and placing them on emergency tax after every pay run because they failed to cope with PAYE Modernisation, was the last straw. I will never even do a single day's subbing in a voluntary school again because of it. The ETBs I've worked for can be ruthless but they rarely make mistakes. Never any delay in applying tax decreases or increment changes.


  • #6
    mtoutlemonde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    Matthias Stocky Traitor wrote: »
    It probably varies by ETB, but I found them highly efficient and the DES incompetent. The absolute fcuk up last year of ceasing all temp teachers' employment and placing them on emergency tax after every pay run because they failed to cope with PAYE Modernisation, was the last straw. I will never even do a single day's subbing in a voluntary school again because of it. The ETBs I've worked for can be ruthless but they rarely make mistakes. Never any delay in applying tax decreases or increment changes.

    Well considering I worked 9 weeks with no pay and when I enquired as to the delay, I get lambasted for ringing. Now I did get a phone call to apologise from head of HR, it wasn't good enough. At the time, there were a few teachers who were also used to department paying and were all treated poorly. I wouldn't work for them again. At least with the department, you're paid promptly.

    I agree it will vary by ETB, that is my local one. The main reason is there are too many people dealing with you - no one person for the one school.


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  • #7
    joebloggs32
    Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    mtoutlemonde wrote: »
    Correct, when I was subbing, I used to keep a record of my hours and when I passed the 600 hours, I checked my payslip in the next academic year and I went up.

    I can't agree re ETB vs Payroll. My experience with my local ETB was rudeness and sloppiness. Anytime I have ever rang the department, I have been dealt quickly and politely.

    It will vary from ETB to ETB, but generally yes the DES is more reliable from my experience


  • #8
    TypicalDub
    Registered Users Posts: 36 ✭TypicalDub


    This question is different. I am asking do you have to notify anyone that you are due to move up or is it done automatic


  • #9
    mtoutlemonde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    TypicalDub wrote: »
    This question is different. I am asking do you have to notify anyone that you are due to move up or is it done automatic

    Automatically unless you're moving from ETB to department. There is no notification. Up to last year, it never appeared on my payslip, it does now. I used to get an increment in September but now get it in November/December due to the industrial action by ASTI a few years ago when increments were delayed by three months. If you think you are owed something, ring payroll, they are very helpful despite what some people say.


  • #10
    TypicalDub
    Registered Users Posts: 36 ✭TypicalDub


    I have worked in ETB and Department, and I have never notified anyone when moving. So you think there is chance that has not been counted ?


  • #11
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users Posts: 15,381 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    TypicalDub wrote: »
    I have worked in ETB and Department, and I have never notified anyone when moving. So you think there is chance that has not been counted ?

    Well you should be able to work that out yourself, based on the years you have worked and the point you are on. No one can tell you here.


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  • #12
    mtoutlemonde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    TypicalDub wrote: »
    I have worked in ETB and Department, and I have never notified anyone when moving. So you think there is chance that has not been counted ?

    I don't know that but if you're moving from department to ETB and vice versa, you should be getting a statement of service to send on. If not, I'm assuming you will continue on whatever scale you were on before e.g. if you've been working for the department for two years, point 3, you change to ETB for two years I.e. with ETB you're on point 5. You return to department but don't submit statement from ETB, I'm assuming you will begin on point 3 again and also the new pension scheme because you've had a 26 week break in service. It is important that you keep on top of this.


  • #13
    TypicalDub
    Registered Users Posts: 36 ✭TypicalDub


    thanks for the help


  • #14
    TypicalDub
    Registered Users Posts: 36 ✭TypicalDub


    got lots of helpful info actually, thanks


  • #15
    mtoutlemonde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    TypicalDub wrote: »
    got lots of helpful info actually, thanks

    No problem. You may have to go digging to get payslips. The department are quite good - they can provide you with statement of service for your time with them i.e. since registration with them. It is more than a statement - they tell you how many hours you worked in each academic year. The same applies for the ETB I assume.


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