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Predicted grades for independent subjects

  • 07-05-2020 11:26pm
    #1
    Andhonest
    Registered Users Posts: 31 ✭


    Just wondering how predicted grades are communicated to a school where a student has been studying a subject independently of school, and was due to sit that subject in the LC?


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  • #2
    cocoman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭cocoman


    Andhonest wrote: »
    Just wondering how predicted grades are communicated to a school where a student has been studying a subject independently of school, and was due to sit that subject in the LC?

    I can't see how they could be given a PG if they don't have a teacher for that subject.


  • #3
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,205 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    cocoman wrote: »
    I can't see how they could be given a PG if they don't have a teacher for that subject.

    They probably won't be eligible for a grade. Unless a practical component has already been submitted.

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  • #4
    Andhonest
    Registered Users Posts: 31 ✭Andhonest


    TheValeyard wrote: »
    They probably won't be eligible for a grade. Unless a practical component has already been submitted.

    But the issue is that they were eligible to sit the exam and need that extra subject as an entry requirement for uni, for example. There are many types of students in this or similar categories; first of all traditional students who took on an extra subject outside their school with an external teacher,: the same but studying completely alone; and homeschooled candidates. All of these are eligible candidates. Nothing of this student catagory is mentioned in the document released by the Do Ed.


  • #5
    Purefrank128
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Purefrank128


    Andhonest wrote: »
    But the issue is that they were eligible to sit the exam and need that extra subject as an entry requirement for uni, for example. There are many types of students in this or similar categories; first of all traditional students who took on an extra subject outside their school with an external teacher,: the same but studying completely alone; and homeschooled candidates. All of these are eligible candidates. Nothing of this student catagory is mentioned in the document released by the Do Ed.

    Yes, all of this is covered in the gov.ie document. Students studying a subject outside their school with an external teacher can be given a calculated grade if the school principal is happy to sign off on an initial assessed grade.


  • #6
    Andhonest
    Registered Users Posts: 31 ✭Andhonest


    Purefrank128 wrote: »
    Yes, all of this is covered in the gov.ie document. Students studying a subject outside their school with an external teacher can be given a calculated grade if the school principal is happy to sign off on an initial assessed grade.

    I have scoured it again (the Web version). I just cannot see where it mentions anything about students taking a subject outside of school. Are you thinking of the section relating to students who have moved from another school? Thanks.


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  • #7
    Purefrank128
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Purefrank128


    Andhonest wrote: »
    I have scoured it again (the Web version). I just cannot see where it mentions anything about students taking a subject outside of school. Are you thinking of the section relating to students who have moved from another school? Thanks.

    From https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2f07eb-leaving-cert-2020-information/

    18. What about students who don’t attend or who are taking extra subjects outside school?

    While these scenarios are the exception rather than the rule every effort will be made to calculate a grade, provided there is sufficient evidence available.

    In the case of students taking a subject outside school, the guidance provides details of how schools should proceed if school management authorities are confident that there is sufficient evidence of the student’s achievement to make an objective judgement.

    For students in receipt of home tuition with an association to the school, the guidance will provide information for school authorities to engage with the home tutor in arriving at a decision. Whether a valid estimate of performance can be provided will depend on whether the home tutor is a registered teacher and where the school is satisfied with the evidence used to support the judgment.


  • #8
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users Posts: 15,381 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Questions 18, 19, and 20 here.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2f07eb-leaving-cert-2020-information/#information-for-leaving-cert-students



    I have one student that is attending a different school to the one I work in. He has been working with me taking this extra subject for the past two years. There is a project component. The project is done and there is plenty of evidence to show he's been doing the work, he did a mock exam for me etc. I emailed the school yesterday to let them know who I am and gave them my contact details. So we'll see what happens next week.


  • #9
    TheDriver
    Registered Users Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    I'd be very slow to sign off on any independent subject unless there was a decent bit of evidence. I think in a lot of cases, there won't be evidence. It's going to be difficult.


  • #10
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    Yes, this will affect all the students taking Polish/Lithuanian etc. They usually just take the exam with no classes. Many rely on it as their language for college entry.


  • #11
    Andhonest
    Registered Users Posts: 31 ✭Andhonest


    Purefrank128 wrote: »
    From https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2f07eb-leaving-cert-2020-information/

    18. What about students who don’t attend or who are taking extra subjects outside school?

    While these scenarios are the exception rather than the rule every effort will be made to calculate a grade, provided there is sufficient evidence available.

    In the case of students taking a subject outside school, the guidance provides details of how schools should proceed if school management authorities are confident that there is sufficient evidence of the student’s achievement to make an objective judgement.

    For students in receipt of home tuition with an association to the school, the guidance will provide information for school authorities to engage with the home tutor in arriving at a decision. Whether a valid estimate of performance can be provided will depend on whether the home tutor is a registered teacher and where the school is satisfied with the evidence used to support the judgment.

    That is it! Thanks a million. I had been looking at just one part on how grades are calculated. Yes, I can see it now. So, if there is sufficient evidence a grade will be processed. Ok, that is fair.


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  • #12
    antimatterx
    Registered Users Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    My brother's friend was supposed to be repeating the leaving cert. He couldn't afford to repeat in a private school or hire tutors for the year. He has worked hard during the year, studying at home alone in hopes of obtaining enough points for medicine.

    How ****ed is he?


  • #13
    Andhonest
    Registered Users Posts: 31 ✭Andhonest


    rainbowtrout wrote: »
    Questions 18, 19, and 20 here.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2f07eb-leaving-cert-2020-information/#information-for-leaving-cert-students



    I have one student that is attending a different school to the one I work in. He has been working with me taking this extra subject for the past two years. There is a project component. The project is done and there is plenty of evidence to show he's been doing the work, he did a mock exam for me etc. I emailed the school yesterday to let them know who I am and gave them my contact details. So we'll see what happens next week.

    Hi, did you hear back from the school?


  • #14
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users Posts: 15,381 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Andhonest wrote: »
    Hi, did you hear back from the school?

    Not yet no, but I was talking to the teacher who normally teaches the subject in the school and they haven't done anything with grades yet, so I'll try again later this week.
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  • #15
    dory
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,480 Mod ✭✭✭✭dory


    antimatterx wrote: »
    My brother's friend was supposed to be repeating the leaving cert. He couldn't afford to repeat in a private school or hire tutors for the year. He has worked hard during the year, studying at home alone in hopes of obtaining enough points for medicine.

    How ****ed is he?

    It's awful, and these people have my full sympathy, but how do you think they could possibly get a predicted grade in this instance?

    My only advice would be to plough on and do the autumn exam (or whenever it becomes available).


  • #16
    barbiegirl123
    Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭barbiegirl123


    It will be hard. If a pre exam was done in that subject they might just base it off that grade. The most practical thing to do would be to sit the written exam if u believe that you deserve a high grade.


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