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25-10-2018, 13:18   #61
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Perhaps if renting long-term was safe and productive for LLs, you know equal rights for tenant and landlord and a contract between both, taxation measures, swift evictions under the law, no overholding, no illegal evictions etc. etc. well then LLs would not have opted for the safer choice of ABB in the first place.

That's probably where the problem lies.
agree entirely. it's a 2-way street, or at least it should be.
small (mainly Irish) LLs have been treated very unfairly, much in the same way small local entrepreneurs/business have been vis a vis large online conglomerates.

if the playing field was even level it would be something, but it's a bit like asking Shamrock Rovers to compete against Man City after giving City a 3-0 headstart.

it's way past time to redress this imbalance.
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There is no equal rights because its not an equal playing field. If a landlord illegally evicts a tenant they might get a bit of a fine. They don't get evicted. I'm glad to see at least with this legislation noncompliance will come with a criminal conviction.

Any decent compliant landlord will not be bothered by this legislation.
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Its a ban on landlords.....no landlord is going to be issued with a short term letting licence, so its a ban, no two ways about it. The government can spin it how they want.
Its not a ban,. its enforcing existing rules that have been flouted.
Just because they got away with it doesnt make it right.
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Disgraceful....Private sector yet again paying for a public sector mess. Another sticky plaster by the minister who is trying to deflect from his and his governments inactions by making it look like they are doing something. Banning AirBNB Will not make a blind bit of difference, just as the rent pressure zones haven't either. People will continue to advertise their properties on the hundreds of other websites around the world that offer the same service, who is going to police all of these? Nobody! Or more landlords will just sell up and leave the market, for some its a business, if your business isn't making a profit you close it down.
This will apply to all sites offering short term lets.

All that's happening is that existing planning permission rules are being enforced.

But good for you that as long as you're making money you can impose a hotel scenario on residential neighbours eh? Stopping that is communism, outright communism I tells ya!
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There is no equal rights because its not an equal playing field. If a landlord illegally evicts a tenant they might get a bit of a fine. They don't get evicted. I'm glad to see at least with this legislation noncompliance will come with a criminal conviction.

Any decent compliant landlord will not be bothered by this legislation.
likewise, a tenant can overstay, refuse to pay rent, destroy a property, and if the LL is lucky the PRTB might issue a small fine against the said tenant.
said tenant refuses to pay up and gives the LL the middle finger.
what recourse if any does the LL have? sweet FA i reckon.

this could potentially cost the LL 10s of 1,000s.
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The law isn't going to ban/limit AirBnB specifically, it's going to limit short term lets. So your point is moot.
Its a ban on landlords.....no landlord is going to be issued with a short term letting licence, so its a ban, no two ways about it. The government can spin it how they want.
It is an unenforceable and probably uncostitutional ban for owner occupiers who are free to invite into their home whomever they want (paying or not paying). The limit of 14 days is left wing commie BS of the highest order! In the case of owner occupiers as long as there is no anti-social behaviour that would grant police presence, the govvie is screwed and it is just political posturing and appeasing the hard left political agenda (who are screaming very loud). Please tell me how the councils or any govvie agent will be able to enforce any of such BS against an owner occupier, council inspectors will not have right of entry and will have to go to a court to request entry with very solid evidence to get a warrant for entry (by which time any guest will be gone) and judge will likely refuse since it is not criminal activity. I know what I would do if a council inspector tried to get access to my own home for any of this BS, I would tell him/her to .... right off with great pleasure.
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It is an unenforceable and probably uncostitutional ban for owner occupiers who are free to invite into their home whomever they want (paying or not paying). The limit of 14 days is left wing commie BS of the highest order![...]
And what of those who are clearly NOT owner-occupiers? It's not hard to find them on AirBnB you know, the folks who are not just letting out the spare room, but have bought up a slew of properties so they can play landlord without any of regulation, taxation or responsibility towards the broader community or housing market. The people you're describing won't be affected, and are not the target of the legislation.
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like too many laws in this country it has to properly ENFORCED.

personally i think there are too many tourists in Dublin, so if this leads to a drop in numbers, then i wont be bothered.
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It is an unenforceable and probably uncostitutional ban for owner occupiers who are free to invite into their home whomever they want (paying or not paying).
You see, this is a fundamental misunderstanding not only of the constitution, but also the basics of how money changes everything.

For a start, the constitution does allow the government to regulate the home.

But "paying or not paying", is completely wrong. For example, "I can sleep with whoever I want (paying or not paying)", is clearly an incorrect statement, since if they're paying, you're now a prostitute.

Likewise, if someone is paying you to stay in your home, there is now a legal contract between you, and they are a paying guest and you are a host.

This means that all kinds of regulations can kick in.

If they're not paying you, they are just a guest at your pleasure and no contract exists, no regulations apply.

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it is just political posturing and appeasing the hard left political agenda (who are screaming very loud).
Which is funny, because two weeks ago the government were accused by the hard left of being landlords' stooges, lining their pockets.

It seems like they're doing their best to piss off everyone, which is probably what any government should do, really.
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It is an unenforceable and probably uncostitutional ban for owner occupiers who are free to invite into their home whomever they want (paying or not paying). The limit of 14 days is left wing commie BS of the highest order! In the case of owner occupiers as long as there is no anti-social behaviour that would grant police presence,
Are you sure of your understanding of the new rules?

As far as I understand, it doesn’t affect owner-occupiers very much (that 14 days limit only being for people renting a whole property). As far as I can tell someone who is offering short term lets for a room in the property where they reside can keep doing so all year round with pretty much no change besides the requirement to register with the council, so there is no problem to shout about as far is owner occupiers are concerned.

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i think we need to house our own citizens first before we house tourists/backpackers.
i say this as a LL (longterm only) and someone who regularly uses AirBnB while on family holidays, business trips etc.
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Sorry but I simply can't see a Constitutional issue here and I'm the first to cite that when it comes to RPZ's. Proper planning enforcement has always been accepted as part of the 'for the common good' qualifier in the protections on private property. That's all these new laws are doing.
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Sorry but I simply can't see a Constitutional issue here and I'm the first to cite that when it comes to RPZ's. Proper planning enforcement has always been accepted as part of the 'for the common good' qualifier in the protections on private property. That's all these new laws are doing.
Agree, and to be honest I think most of the people shouting against those new rules either don’t understand what’s being done here, or are driven by personal/ideological bias towards the status quo of not enforcing planning permissions. The very title of this thread “Air BnB to be effectively outlawed in high demand areas” is a perfect illustration of this misunderstandings/misrepresentation: Airbnb is actually not being outlawed at all and people who are renting a room in their primary residence will be able to keep doing so with no significant restriction.

I think at the end of the day it’s a bit like people who were not paying their due taxes on Airbnb rentals: when the government made a move to force them to pay they felt persecuted, but in truth the situation was more that they had (intentionally or not) been acting illegally for a while with a wrong expectation that it would be tolerated forever, so they were shocked when that tolerance ended. There was bit of tension at the time but today no one would come back and argue that not paying tax on Airbnb rentals should be tolerated. I think the same will happen with enforcement of planning permission.

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Don't see the issue. You can still do AirBnB as a room offering as orginally intended. You can also let out your whole house for 90 days of the year if you want. All that's changed is that planning has finally caught up with the widespread abuse of the service
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